Please Complain to Comedy Central

[Skavau]

It is not I but rather my religion. But, yes, I suggest that people are connected to each other. When you do something you are affecting others (in a more diverse way then is encoded in our civil laws) and therefore in
your actions you should take care in everything you do.

People are connected to each other, yes. And we have a system now in multicultural secular societies of clashing taboos from different cultures and different religions. Your suggestions of how to change civil law provides me with some memories of the movie Pleasantville. A faux and completely impractical way of attempting to produce a utopia where no-one is upset, no-one gets offended and everyone is content.

I am not saying that sincere and civil dialogue between cultures, religions and political groups should not exist. Indeed they should and I always encourage it. This should be argued and not imposed. This should not be done at the expense of others. The world is not a moderated debate room.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

I'm afraid I can't see the correlation. There is no correlation, only a different approach to beliefs.

I don't mean the beliefs, I mean Islam is a growing religion that is commited to their religion so they are more likely to be offended whereas christians are becoming less secular each day and don't outroar. My correlation is regarding secularisation and outroar.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

I think it would be more worthwhile if we write in a letter of complaint instead of wasting our time arguing and debating with people who have forsaken all virtue, morals good values and principles under the guise of 'freedom of speech'.

Yes lets end this stupid debate now is getting really boring and insane.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

People are connected to each other, yes. And we have a system now in multicultural secular societies of clashing taboos from different cultures and different religions. Your suggestions of how to change civil law provides me with some memories of the movie Pleasantville. A faux and completely impractical way of attempting to produce a utopia where no-one is upset, no-one gets offended and everyone is content.

I am not saying that sincere and civil dialogue between cultures, religions and political groups should not exist. Indeed they should and I always encourage it. This should be argued and not imposed. This should not be done at the expense of others. The world is not a moderated debate room.

I did not say that you need to change civil law.

I said that you should add to it the religious law (and above all mindset) because otherwise
you would live in a very depressing society enslaved to the laws of pure ratio - meaning
that you live for the purpose of dying. I find it highly depressing and you can advocate it
as much as you want and make it seem very romantic and enlightened but it is a highly inferior
idea.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Yes lets end this stupid debate now is getting really boring and insane.

This debate is far from stupid. If you cannot convince this person (or do not want to take the effort to show him that you are right ) you would not be able to convince comedy central and for sure not the American government.

So what is this person different than any other?

 

[Life_Is_Short]

Comedy central clearly don't believe strongly in the creative freedom of expression. They can't stand the heat of showing South Park in it's entirety. The west no longer has the freedom of speech they are so desperately trying to protect.

To help clarify, MTV NETWORKS decided not to air the episode ‘201’ on Friday 23rd April with great reluctance. It wasn’t a decision made lightly and we appreciate your concern.
We believe strongly in the creative freedom of expression; when unique and deeply insightful creative talents like those behind South Park are able to express themselves freely, we all benefit.
However, the safety of our employees is our unquestioned number one priority, and therefore we took these precautionary measures.

They're not going to show any of that crap in the U.k ever again. They've just killed freedom of speech.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Too bad freedom of thinking is not such a hot issue as freedom of speech.

LOL

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

This debate is far from stupid. If you cannot convince this person (or do not want to take the effort to show him that you are right ) you would not be able to convince comedy central and for sure not the American government.

So what is this person different than any other?

No difference at all they are all the same: they can't stand Islam growing rapidly they feel insecure i think.

 

[Supreme]

I don't mean the beliefs, I mean Islam is a growing religion that is commited to their religion so they are more likely to be offended whereas christians are becoming less secular each day and don't outroar. My correlation is regarding secularisation and outroar.

That doesn't make sense though: most Muslims who are responding to this live in secular societies, as these are the only societies that allow South Park to be broadcast. But it's also about the beliefs- Christianity stresses the importance of not hurting or threatening those who attack or insult the religion, but rather, it is better to pray and be glad that the persecution is happening. Christians can show they are committed to their religion in this way, because that is what is our religion teaches.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

That doesn't make sense though: most Muslims who are responding to this live in secular societies, as these are the only societies that allow South Park to be broadcast. But it's also about the beliefs- Christianity stresses the importance of not hurting or threatening those who attack or insult the religion, but rather, it is better to pray and be glad that the persecution is happening. Christians can show they are committed to their religion in this way, because that is what is our religion teaches.

Saying that Christianity and Islam are both religions is like saying that the heart and the lungs are both organs in the body. True, but the lungs and the heart are still different organs.

In fact, it is not exactly true because the lungs and the heart can coexist two religions can not (however, if one thinks of it - the teachings of Christ hardly contradict the Quran, on the contrary).

 

[Supreme]

Saying that Christianity and Islam are both religions is like saying that the heart and the lungs are both organs in the body. True, but the lungs and the heart are still different organs.

In fact, it is not exactly true because the lungs and the heart can coexist two religions can not (however, if one thinks of it - the teachings of Christ hardly contradict the Quran, on the contrary).

Two religions can coexist. India is a good example of where not one, not two, not three but four large religions coexist peacefully. Of course, there are sometimes minor events between the adherents of those religions, but they coexist nonetheless.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

That doesn't make sense though: most Muslims who are responding to this live in secular societies, as these are the only societies that allow South Park to be broadcast. But it's also about the beliefs- Christianity stresses the importance of not hurting or threatening those who attack or insult the religion, but rather, it is better to pray and be glad that the persecution is happening. Christians can show they are committed to their religion in this way, because that is what is our religion teaches.

muslims that react to this act are from the secular society take Britain as a example, however secular society concerns christianity not islam as britain is a christian country not a islamic country so those muslims that react to the incident, r not secular themselves rather the country they r at is secular therefore we will defend our religion because we still have our religion.

 

[Supreme]

muslims that react to this act are from the secular society take Britain as a example, however secular society concerns christianity not islam as britain is a christian country not a islamic country so those muslims that react to the incident, r not secular themselves rather the country they r at is secular therefore we will defend our religion because we still have our religion.

Britain is not a Christian country. It is a secular country where the majority of its residents happen to practise Christianity, but it is not a Christian country.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Can you tell the blind the difference between white and black? So leave them on their blindness.


Actually they don't know that focusing on mocking Islam and directing their media to such hate is drawing more attention to Islam which lead people to look more in this great religion.
Many reverts to Islam said that what drew their attentions to Islam was this stupid hatred that Media show.

So its getting back on them. I always remember this verse when I read about such pathetic attempts:


يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطۡفِـُٔواْ نُورَ ٱللَّهِ بِأَفۡوَٲهِهِمۡ وَٱللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِۦ وَلَوۡ ڪَرِهَ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرُونَ

Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light however much the disbelievers are averse. [61:8]

They are worse than blind..the truth is crystal clear to them and they still deny!

 

[glo]

Actually, there is a satirical comic, which depicts Jesus and Mohammad and has been running since 2005.
It is called 'Jesus and Mo'. I have never heard of any complaints against it ...

 

[Woodrow]

It is to show that people have the right to draw what they want without receiving death threats (or worse).

A simple fact of life. No amount of legislation, laws, enforcement etc is going to stop any person from receiving death threats for their words. It is unenforceable. Would it be a different story if myself or any Muslim chose to insult Atheists in the hope that death threats are elicited, as a means to show it is our right to insult atheists and nobody has the right to issue death threats for doing so? What law could be passed and enforced to keep a loose cannon atheist from sending me death threats if I choose to make a career out of insulting atheists?

With this said the only purpose of these cartoons is to insult Muslims and possibly all theists. What laws can be or need be changed to satisfy the cartoonists.

 

[Skavau]

A simple fact of life. No amount of legislation, laws, enforcement etc is going to stop any person from receiving death threats for their words. It is unenforceable. Would it be a different story if myself or any Muslim chose to insult Atheists in the hope that death threats are elicited

No it wouldn't. I've seen media, mainstream if we're talking about the pseudo-journalism that is Fox News insult atheists. U.S. Politicians actually often show passive aggression to secularism and atheists at times when referring to them, indeed George Bush Snr. stated that he did not think atheists should be considered citizens of America. Also, I should like to take note that across this very forum there have been veiled and not-so veiled threats and warnings towards atheists on here that I have seen. Please do not be so naive as to assume that it does not happen towards atheists. It does, and often is a deliberately subtle, patronising and sanctimonious way.

, as a means to show it is our right to insult atheists and nobody has the right to issue death threats for doing so? What law could be passed and enforced to keep a loose cannon atheist from sending me death threats if I choose to make a career out of insulting atheists?

We already have laws for that. It is generally illegal to incite violence towards others. If an atheist sent you death threats for insulting atheism, humanism, secularism, or whatever - then they would be acting completely inappropriately.

With this said the only purpose of these cartoons is to insult Muslims and possibly all theists. What laws can be or need be changed to satisfy the cartoonists.

Nothing. As you said, you can't systematically change a culture or a religion. I don't believe it is possible to prevent people from being offended. I don't believe it is possible to stop people from threatening violence, or intimidating those who upset them. People are volatile, fickle and self-centered regarding this far too often. We have to recognise that populism should not dictate people's liberties. The cartoonists and those with them are trying to build up public support for freedom of speech. They do that by remaining vigilant and not bowing to demands of censorship, and they are trying ensure that the media and governments stay with them on this.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

Britain is not a Christian country. It is a secular country where the majority of its residents happen to practise Christianity, but it is not a Christian country.

Come'on Son, Even a two year old knows that Britain is a Christian country;D even though they are becoming secular probably they have lost faith on their religion or became modernised but i don't care cause its not my religion.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Come'on Son, Even a two year old knows that Britain is a Christian country;D even though they are becoming secular probably they have lost faith on their religion or became modernised but i don't care cause its not my religion.

You should care - secularism is the worst thing ever.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Two religions can coexist. India is a good example of where not one, not two, not three but four large religions coexist peacefully. Of course, there are sometimes minor events between the adherents of those religions, but they coexist nonetheless.

Yes, but again you speak about different things as if they are the same. The Indian religions are simply not the same.