Israeli forces attack aid Gaza aid flotilla, kill activists

[shuraimfan4lyf]

I was at 7-Eleven just few mins ago, and I know the worker there. He was like brother, this morning I got into argument with a caucasian male about the whole Flotilla issue. The white male said "All arabs should die so the world could be in peace" and etc etc. The worker is a non-muslim, but he was defending the Turkish Flotilla alhamdulillah. I like when I meet people like him in USA, because it shows atleast there are some people with Aql in the west.

 

[جوري]

I am sick of reading derogatory and vile things about muslims.. now a days I exercise my 'free speech' to the max.. I run on zero tolerance and so should all Muslims..
ma daa3 7aqien wa'ra'aho motalib!

 

[Masuma]

May the doom of Israel be near! Ameen!

Glory to Allah! read this latest news below. It seems like the days are near when Israel's true face will be revealed to the world.

Talat says will show real face of Israel:

Wednesday, 2 Jun, 2010 10:04 am
AMMAN : Executive Director News and current affairs of Aaj News Talat Hussain has said that he will show the real face of Israel by releasing the footage of Israeli commandos assault, Aaj News reported.

Talking to Aaj News after his arrival in Jordan, Talat said that they were remained in Israeli custody for three days.

While expressing gratitude to the nation, Talat Hussain said that the prayers of the nation make him possible to sustain in tough days.

Answering the question about the assault, he said at least 60 Israeli commandos attacked the flotilla vessel, adding that he witnessed the deaths of four mates.

About his return to Pakistan, Talat said that he will arrived back home on Thursday’s evening.

SOURCE

"They plot and plan, Allah plans too. And Allah is the best of the planner".

Glory be to Allah!

 

[Masuma]

You know I'm shocked as to how Israel released these people with the footage. I mean Israel would try to the best of its shi t to taker the footage into its custody otherwise it's whole secret propaganda, its cruelty and the constant persecution of Palestinians will be shown to the world.

Maybe brother Talat would have been very careful in keeping the footage a secret.

Brother Talat (one of the best Pakistani news reporter) says in his latest interview that Israel is using a propaganda to hide facts and the channels are not reporting the news correctly. They are tempering with the real news as the truth is different from what Israeli channels or other channels of such type are showing. He says that he has a number of footage showing what exactly happened and he'll release them tomorrow in his show.

Well, I'll keep a close eye on all his news and if I get hold of the footage, i'll inshAllah post it here.

Israel is totally blinded by its arrogance, as I said before, because it thinks that it'll get away with it again this time. But maybe now Allah has some other plans for Israel. InshAllah!

Allahu Akbar!

 

[DuncG]

Oh dear, I've just been watching some spokesman for an Israeli communications company on Al Jazeera justify the blockade of Gaza, that affects a population made up of ~50% children, that perhaps their parents 'should not have voted in a terrorist organisation'. Collective punishment - the punishment of others (children, in this case) because of the exercise of the democratic right of their parents to vote for who they want. How disturbingly unethical.

The issues that I would most like to see addressed are:

1. Why were the boats boarded in international waters and not in Israeli waters?
2. Why were the boats boarded at approximately 4:30am instead of during daylight hours that would reduce the risks inherent in capturing a vessel in the dark? Humans do not act at their best in the early hours of the morning - commandos and civilians alike. The timing of the action increased the risk of mistakes being made, such as misidentification of weapons and thus the inherent threat posed by the passengers.
3. Why were the boats boarded with the express intention of diverting them to Ashdod port, rather than searching them for any contraband (weapons - that's what the blockade is there to stop, allegedly)?
4. How many weapons were found on the boats? Where is the photographic evidence of these weapons? No evidence of guns and long knives has so far been produced, although some video footage does show the passengers carrying and using metal bars.
5. And, most importantly, what is the justification for the blockade of Gaza such that not only weapons are allowed in but also reconstruction materials, foodstuffs, medical items are denied along with the blockading of the indigenous fishing industry.


While I've seen plenty of Israeli spokespeople say that they are allowed to defend themselves against attack (they are - I've no problem with that), it's blatantly clear that this flotilla was in no way aggressive or harmful. Likewise, there are plenty of blockaded materials that are in no way harmful. The blocking of concrete, for example, because it could be 'used to make bunkers' is damingly hypocritical - bunkers are defensive structures, used for self-defence (although they can be used to hold captured ground, that is not the case here) - precisely the principle that Israel enacts for justification of its own actions.

The only other point I'd like to make is that it's clear that this peaceful action has harmed Israel far more that any suicide bombing or missile/mortar attack. I hope everyone here can see that such peaceful demonstrations against Israel are far more effective than violent ones. Once you remove violence as a tactic against Israel, you immediately remove their only justification for their heavy-handed and deadly response. For example, it would probably be better for Turkey not to defend future flotillas with military vessels - if Israel repeats its response then you're simply handing them more rope with which to hang themselves (figuratively speaking...).

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Oh dear, I've just been watching some spokesman for an Israeli communications company on Al Jazeera justify the blockade of Gaza, that affects a population made up of ~50% children, that perhaps their parents 'should not have voted in a terrorist organisation'. Collective punishment - the punishment of others (children, in this case) because of the exercise of the democratic right of their parents to vote for who they want. How disturbingly unethical.

The issues that I would most like to see addressed are:

1. Why were the boats boarded in international waters and not in Israeli waters?
2. Why were the boats boarded at approximately 4:30am instead of during daylight hours that would reduce the risks inherent in capturing a vessel in the dark? Humans do not act at their best in the early hours of the morning - commandos and civilians alike. The timing of the action increased the risk of mistakes being made, such as misidentification of weapons and thus the inherent threat posed by the passengers.
3. Why were the boats boarded with the express intention of diverting them to Ashdod port, rather than searching them for any contraband (weapons - that's what the blockade is there to stop, allegedly)?
4. How many weapons were found on the boats? Where is the photographic evidence of these weapons? No evidence of guns and long knives has so far been produced, although some video footage does show the passengers carrying and using metal bars.
5. And, most importantly, what is the justification for the blockade of Gaza such that not only weapons are allowed in but also reconstruction materials, foodstuffs, medical items are denied along with the blockading of the indigenous fishing industry.


While I've seen plenty of Israeli spokespeople say that they are allowed to defend themselves against attack (they are - I've no problem with that), it's blatantly clear that this flotilla was in no way aggressive or harmful. Likewise, there are plenty of blockaded materials that are in no way harmful. The blocking of concrete, for example, because it could be 'used to make bunkers' is damingly hypocritical - bunkers are defensive structures, used for self-defence (although they can be used to hold captured ground, that is not the case here) - precisely the principle that Israel enacts for justification of its own actions.

The only other point I'd like to make is that it's clear that this peaceful action has harmed Israel far more that any suicide bombing or missile/mortar attack. I hope everyone here can see that such peaceful demonstrations against Israel are far more effective than violent ones. Once you remove violence as a tactic against Israel, you immediately remove their only justification for their heavy-handed and deadly response. For example, it would probably be better for Turkey not to defend future flotillas with military vessels - if Israel repeats its response then you're simply handing them more rope with which to hang themselves (figuratively speaking...).

So if it is so blunt why do we not draw the conclusion and understand that somebody is playing with us
and wants us to have war? When are people going to wake up?!

As for what you say about peaceful actions being the true weapon - support X million

 

[IslamicRevival]

If you had a gun, wouldn't you want to blow his head off? Its the same old **** every time! Lies, lies and **** more lies!

Turkey Zindabad!

 

[aadil77]

look at him sitting there in a suit talking like he's all civilised

he's a terrorist in a suit

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

look at him sitting there in a suit talking like he's all civilised

he's a terrorist in a suit

So what?

He is just a monkey on television. Its just television - you want to make a
difference - talk to the people behind the television otherwise you have the
low ground because they can effect you but you cannot effect them

 

[aadil77]

So what?

He is just a monkey on television. Its just television - you want to make a
difference - talk to the people behind the television otherwise you have the
low ground because they can effect you but you cannot effect them

what are you talking about?

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

what are you talking about?

There is no effect to voicing your criticism where the people you criticize cannot hear you.

Look - you made around 600 posts here - what would have happened if instead in these forum
these posts would be voiced to the Knesset or some Israeli forum?

That's the only way in which your words could make a difference.

 

[جوري]

Re: May the doom of Israel be near! Ameen!

Talat says will show real face of Israel:


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They won't show it, it is that simple.. they'll focus on the 19th hijacker or some concocted story, the way they are in NY now protesting the desecration of the graves of their sages with most media outlets concentrating on that..

it is funny like that!

Thank God for the internet at least..

 

[Supreme]

FWIW, Israel is continuously ignoring international treaties that have been forwarded to end the conflict, and continues to erect illegal settlements on Palestinian territory (after demolishing the houses of the residents, and driving them from their ancestral homes by employing the military).

It should be perfectly obvious that there is no "right" side in this conflict any more; there probably never was a "right" side to begin with.

 

[Masuma]

Re: May the doom of Israel be near! Ameen!

They won't show it, it is that simple.. they'll focus on the 19th hijacker or some concocted story, the way they are in NY now protesting the desecration of the graves of their sages with most media outlets concentrating on that..

it is funny like that!

Thank God for the internet at least..

Then that would be really bad! But why not hope for the good? Lets see what happens tomorrow! :/ But brother Talat is one of my favorite news reporter!

I'm leaving it on Allah. May Allah make brother Talat a great asset for the Muslim Ummah! Ameen! A sister can always pray...right?!

 

[Woodrow]

Re: May the doom of Israel be near! Ameen!

I am pleased to notice the American people are reacting to this attack:

SOURCE

 

[Predator]

There is no effect to voicing your criticism where the people you criticize cannot hear you.

what would have happened if instead in these forum
these posts would be voiced to the Knesset or some Israeli forum?

That's the only way in which your words could make a difference.

If you're so concerned about it . Why u dont u go and post there and get yourself banned in the process

 

[Argamemnon]

Dead activists' 'martyr' hopes

ANKARA - THREE of the four Turks killed in an Israeli raid on aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip were devout Muslims who wanted to be 'martyrs,' relatives and friends were quoted as saying on Wednesday.

The names of the victims have not been officially released, but the media identified them on Wednesday as four men, all involved in Islamic movements or charities.

One of them, Ali Haydar Bengi was described as a 39-year-old father of four who studied at Egypt's Al-Azhar University, a prominent centre of Islamic learning, and ran a telephone repair shop in Diyarbakir, in Turkey's mainly Kurdish south-east. Bengi 'was helping the poor and the oppressed. For years, he wanted to go to Palestine. And he constantly prayed to become a martyr,' Bengi's wife, Saniye, told the Vatan daily. 'Before embarking on the journey, he said he desired to become a martyr. He wanted to be a martyr very much,' Bengi's friend, Sabir Ceylan, told the Milliyet newspaper.

Another victim, Ali Ekber Yaratilmis, 55, was described as an Ankara-based retired worker and father of five, who was a volunteer for the Foundation of Humanitarian Relief (IHH), the Turkish Islamist charity that spearheaded the campaign to break the blockade of Gaza. 'He devoted his life to charity work... That's why he boarded the ship. He always wanted to be a martyr,' the Sabah daily quoted a friend, Mehmet Faruk Cevher, as saying.

The third victim, retired engineer Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, was a father of six and a supporter of the Islamist Felicity Party in the south-eastern city of Siirt, Anatolia news agency reported. 'He was an exemplary man, an exemplary philanthropist. That's why martyrdom suited him very much. Allah gave him a death he desired,' Bilgen's brother-in-law, Nuri Mergen, told Anatolia.

Vatan identified the forth victim as IHH volunteer Muharrem Kocak. Most of Monday's bloodshed occurred on a Turkish-flagged ship, the Mavi Marmara, carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists from about 30 countries, mostly Turks. The Israeli army said the commandos resorted to force after they were attacked with sticks and stabbed as soon as they landed on the deck. -- AFP

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_534486.html

 

[Argamemnon]

^ most westerners reading this would immediately conclude that these people are 'terrorists'; how dare these terrorists defend innocent Muslims living under a brutal occupation..

 

[Woodrow]

^ most westerners reading this would immediately conclude that these people are "terrorists". How dare these terrorists defend innocent Muslims..

Part of this has to do with language problems. The Western concept of martyr is a person who willingly dies without resistance for a cause. The Muslim concept is often seen as being a person willing to die in a fight to defend Islam. Sadly the Western mind tends to equate this with terrorism instead of defenders/martyrs.

 

[glo]

I don't know if all activist on board were Muslims.
Would a non-Muslim who died for an Islamic cause be considered a martyr in the eyes of Islam?