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You have to give it to Nato of doing a terrible Job of making Afghanistan a better a place. Who the hell is actually supporting this war in the NATO countries??? Whos telling them to continue?

Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.
 
The only good news will come when peace comes, with each Afghan able to live in freedom as they choose, not how somebody else chooses whether claiming God's authority or not.

This has nothing to do with peace or freedom.

Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

Yeah right, because THAT'S the reason there are troops in Afghanistan. It has nothing to do with anything. The US would support the daily blowing up of 10 weddings and a hundred child executions if it was in their interest. They have supported far sicker crimes in the past (and still do).

NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.

They do what the US tell them to do.

мυѕℓιмαн 4 ℓιfє;1337308 said:
Oh my my my my my :-\ @ some of ze Commentz

Completely agree. Had to double check which forum I was on.
 
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.

uh.
And all this time I thought the occupying forces of USA and its minions are democratic governments who are supposed to listen to its people?
Apparently it's all facade and charade, eh?

anyway, the talibans are fighting the war against the invaders, who am I to tell them to stop fighting.
In fact, I am praying they kill as many invaders as possible.
Only when thousands more bodybags flying back home will the invaders pull out from the country, just like what happened in Vietnam.
 
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God bless British and American troops. They have the utmost respect here in Britain. Forget Batman, forget Superman... the true Super heroes are the troops! I live in a town full of British troops as it's close to Weeton Camp. They have the utmost respect of the town and the girls go crazy over them.

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim (In the Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent and The Most Merciful)

This is what immediately came to my mind when I saw your reply

Surah 2:11

"When it is said to them: 'Make not mischief on the earth,' they say: 'Why, we only Want to make peace!'"
 
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.

Ever heard of False Flag Operations which western intelligence services carry out regularly?
 
Western Governments admit Carrying out "False Flag" Terror

Forget the claims and allegations that false flag terror - governments attacking people and then blaming others in order to create animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.

This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false flag terror.

For example:

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president
Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)
The well-respected former Indonesian president admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" (and see this)(Italy joined NATO in 1949, years before the bombings occurred)
As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings*
There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history proven by the historical evidence. See this, this and this. The above are only some examples of governments admitting to using false flag terror.


You can't call it a conspiracy theory when the government itself admits it.

And this is not just ancient history:

Jimmy Carter's former National Security Adviser - Zbigniew Brzezinski - told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation

A retired 27-year CIA analyst who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror alerts and warnings and even events themselves in order to rally people behind the flag

* Note: While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara apparently vetoed the plan.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17663
 
Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.

Supreme, I think you are a sincere person, but with all due respect rather ill-informed or naive (no offense).

Please read this...

NATO: A Tool Of U.S. Imperialism

By Ghali Hassan

25 August, 2008
Countercurrents.org


The U.S.-controlled North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) has lost its purpose to continue as a defence alliance. However, its aggressive expansion is endangering world peace and the survival of the planet.

Despite its irrelevant role, NATO has become part of the U.S. military. Instead of dismantling the once defence alliance, the U.S. pushed to enlarge NATO and expand its boundaries. The U.S. has lured most European nations, including former Warsaw Pact members, the so-called “New Europe”, to join its military. Poland, Hungry and the Czech Republic joined in 1999; Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuanian, Estonia, Slovakia and Romania in 2004, others are waiting in line. Becoming a NATO member proves to be a profit bonanza for U.S.-Israeli weapon industries and arm dealers. All new recruits into NATO are obliged to increase their “defence” budgets to modernise and enlarge their military arsenals at the expense of vital public services.

It is important to bear in mind that the U.S.-NATO demands for expansion have met with opposition from Russia, China – with a legitimate concern against unprovoked threat – and nations such as Germany, the Netherlands and France. Almost all new mini-dictators supported the illegal U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people. They are in complete complicity in the war crimes committed by the regime of George Bush despite overwhelming majority of their citizens’ opposition to U.S. aggression. From the criminal U.S. aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to the ongoing murderous occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the new European armies have become U.S. foot soldiers serving U.S. imperialist interests.

Engineering and using crisis in Europe and elsewhere, the U.S. cancelled the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) in order to locate ABMs and to lure more nations to sign up for the system, including Australia, South Korea and Japan. Under the fraudulent pretext of defence against “rogue” states, the U.S. has just signed a “deal” with Poland to station on Polish soil U.S. “interceptor missiles”. The provocative deal is seen by Russians as a dangerous opportunity for the U.S. to expand its military presence and threat across the world. Poland hailed the deal as a counter to Russian “threat”. Of course Poland is fully aware that the missiles are against Russia not Iran, as the U.S. continues to mislead the public. After Poland, the U.S. is planning to build a twin anti-missile radar system in the Czech Republic. Many Poles as well as Czechs are against the deals and rightly believe their countries are becoming vassal states of a dangerous U.S. militarism.

Since the end of the so-called “Cold War”, the U.S. aim has always been a quest for imperialist domination of the globe through U.S. militarism, including the establishment of U.S. military bases in strategic areas of the world. The U.S. policy of destabilising Russia and undermining Russia’s integration with Europe is aimed at controlling Eurasia’s natural resources . The events of 9/11 provided the U.S. with a pretext to justify the U.S. war on Islam and a global imperialist expansion.

It is hard to believe that the recent unprovoked aggression by Georgia’s President Mikheil Saakashvili against the semi-independent district of South Ossetia wasn’t engineered by the U.S. ruling class in Washington. The aggression came at the time when Russia’s Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was at the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony and President Dmitry Medvedev on holiday. Georgian air force and heavy rocket and artillery indiscriminately attacked the town of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia at midnight destroying schools, hospitals, homes, and even the University, leaving much of the city in ruins. Hundreds of innocent civilians were killed in the first hours of the attack. Saakashvili’s U.S.-Israeli trained Special Forces shot 10 Russian peacekeepers stationed there under an international peace agreement. Saakashvili’s aim was to take control of South Ossetia and ethnically cleanse it of its majority Russian inhabitants.

Saakashvili thought that destroying Tskhinvali and terrorising the population may go well with his plan to please Washington and joins NATO as a new U.S. proxy army. Meanwhile, the aggression provides the U.S. and its vassals with a pretext to use “humanitarian aid” deliveries to Georgia as cover for a military build-up in the Black Sea. Whatever the outcome, Saakashvili (like Bush) must be suffering from lack of rational thinking.

Saakashvili’s aggression may have enhanced U.S. anti-Russian propaganda, it has encouraged a rethinking among many European heavy weight nations (who rightly see Russia as an important part of Europe), that playing with fire close to Russia’s border is not a very good idea. With several European countries – France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Norway, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg and Portugal – still have their doubts, Georgia’s bid to join NATO may have suffered a terminal setback as a result of Saakashvili’s war crimes in South Ossetia.

Russia has a legitimate right to protect its citizens. Most Ossetians are Russian citizens and do not want to be dominated by a racist Georgia. Russia’s response to Saakachvili’s aggression was swift and in full compliance with international laws. Saakashvili’s army of mercenaries – trained and armed by the U.S. and Israel – has suffered a deserving humiliating defeat that should be a lesson to all those “new” European vassals who think they can participate in U.S. war crimes and count on U.S. help.

Yet despite Georgia’s unprovoked aggression, Western-Zionist mainstream media led by the BBC, CNN, NBC, Fox News, New York Times and Washington Post turned the aggressor into a victime. In a grotesque display of distortion and dishonesty, Western media lauded Saakashvili as “democrat” defending democracy against the “Russian Bear”. Of course, forgotten are the U.S.-staged rigged elections that brought Saakashvili to power, Saakashvili’s corrupt authoritarian rule, the banning of news broadcasts, mass arrests of dissidents and Georgian police and masked thugs firing on peaceful demonstrators in Tbilisi and the imposition of marshal law. Playing on the prejudice and ignorance of their populations, Western media is demonising Russia in order to create an enemy and divert the public from ongoing war crimes perpetuated by Western governments. The ongoing anti-Russian propaganda is reminiscent of Nazis propaganda during World War II to manipulate the people and create an anti-Russian sentiment. All of this is in accord with U.S. quest for an imperialist control of the planet and the application of Neocons-fascist ideology of global hegemonic control.

Meanwhile, George Bush (speaking on behalf of the “West”) unashamedly condemned Russia’s legitimate response to Georgia’s unprovoked aggression as “disproportionate”, and added: “[It] is unacceptable in the 21st Century”. The hypocrisy and double standards continued: “This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbour, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it”, ranted Condoleezza Rice, the tireless Secretary of Travelling. Did Bush and his Rice forget the U.S. premeditated and illegal invasion of and destruction of the Iraqi state, including the murder of members of Iraq legitimate government? Before criticising Russia, the U.S. ruling class should take a hard look at U.S. history of massive atrocities and serious war crimes committed around the world. Indeed, the U.S. government is the only government who get a way with any crime it commits. Hence, the U.S. ruling class and their complicit media must be suffering from the contagious diseases of moral bankruptcy and classic hypocrisy.

The U.S. ruling class, the Bush regime in particular, has no moral standing whatsoever to criticize Russia for protecting Russian nationals and defending South Ossetia against unprovoked aggression. After more than five years of murderous Occupation, the Bush regime is directly responsible for the premeditated killing of more than 1.3 million innocent Iraqi civilians. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are imprisoned and tortured on regular basis, and at leas 5 million Iraqis have been displaced as refugees living in appalling conditions. The entire sovereign nation of Iraq is destroyed in a premeditated act of aggression justified by outright lies. Moreover, despite the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people’s opposition to the Occupation, the Bush regime refused to withdraw U.S. troops and mercenaries from Iraq and end the murderous Occupation of their nation.

Finally, it is obvious that Western governments and their mainstream media are demonising Russia even if Russia is not the aggressor. As Sergei Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister told the media: “NATO is trying to make a victim of an aggressor and whitewash a criminal regime - save a collapsing regime - and is taking a path to the rearmament of the current leaders in Georgia”. Saakashvili as perpetrator of war crimes has become the victime by embarking on an ill-advised act of aggression not dissimilar from U.S. recent acts of aggression.

World peace is greatly served by multilateralism and international institutions without an aggressive U.S. military expansion. The transformation of NATO into a tool of U.S. imperialism is endangering the survival of the planet.

Ghali Hassan is an independent writer living in Australia.

Source: http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan250808.htm
 
Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.

when did Afghanistan ever attack a nato member? and its not loyalty thats keeps nato togather its there own individual political interests.

who are these "lots of people"?? we know the govenments insane as they were with Iraq but what people actaully support this crazy non sensical war.

what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?

actually when i think about this war - it seems worse then Iraq.
 
when did Afghanistan ever attack a nato member? and its not loyalty thats keeps nato togather its there own individual political interests.

who are these "lots of people"?? we know the govenments insane as they were with Iraq but what people actaully support this crazy non sensical war.

what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?

actually when i think about this war - it seems worse then Iraq.

Last time I checked, the Karzai government was in charge in Afghanistan. The Taliban haven't been in power since 2001. By allowing the Taliban back in, it becomes a haven for terrorists again. It seems to me there was a guy named Usama Bin Laden who was allowed to flourish under the Taliban. We are still having to live with the consequences of those years. Or so it seems to me.
 
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1337251 said:
what the hell does this mean?

there doesn't seem to be much 'childhood' or 'innocence' for children of war mongers!
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indeed I wish upon a loss worse than they have afflicted others with!

the least one can do is offer their supplication!

all the best

All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
You prayed for suffering for these children
Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims.

Simply put, even Islamically it isn't good to pray for the suffering of a kafirs children since they are not kafirs yet! Islam aside, you should never blame a child for their fathers sins unless you want to convert to some branches of Christianity.
 
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what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?

This is true partly. A lot of people in the Afghan 'Parliament' are as insane as the Taliban but hold different tribal affiliations. So by removing one group of lunatics and replacing them with another does little to solve the problem.
 
may their children and their spouses feel the loss a thousand times worse than they have inflicted on the Muslims and their families

Ukti, I hope you really don't mean this. How can I even comment? +o(

My nephew is in Afghanistan, he has a 6 year old daughter who often cries herself to sleep because she misses her father. Do you honestly think he wants to be there? He would rather be home with his family. But he serves in the Army and he believes that he is helping to make the world safer, for everyone, including Muslims.

We can disagree on the merits of the war, but I just can't believe it is OK to wish that horror be inflicted on others. I would never in a million years wish that harm be inflicted on the spouses of the Taliban fighters or their children. I pray that wars and killing would end.

I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers. If he did, and that is what Islam is all about, then maybe I have accepted the wrong religion.

Please tell me you don't really mean what you said.

:wa:
 
It's better to fight them in Aghanistan than on the streets of Britain. David Cameron have offered the troops a pay increase yesterday which will give them all a huge boost.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...troops-We-re-proud-of-you-have-a-pay-increase



The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...


mate when have the taliban ever left afghanistan? they've always stuck to themselves, they've never cared about bombing civilians in britain or america or any other country, they're just not gonna take it when we invade their land, afghans are very proud people - they won't take crap from anyone

al-qaeda and taliban are not the same

there isn't a limited number of taliban that you can just finish off, you can kill 10 of them and they'll take on another 100 from a nearby village
 
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I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers. If he did, and that is what Islam is all about, then maybe I have accepted the wrong religion.

Please tell me you don't really mean what you said.

:wa:

Firstly when did anyone say the prophet said such things? if you've read his sunnah on the rules of war you'll know he would never allow civilians or pow's to be harmed:

Abu Bakr summarised them:
'O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!
Do no betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill a young child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of foods. If you partake of them, pronounce God's name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it (monks). Go in Gods name, and may God protect you from sword and pestilence'



Secondly Is your faith this weak that you have doubts based on the comments of another member?

Thirdly we do not need you to be muslim - this is your own decision and its only going to benefit you in this world and the next - so please don't make statements like you're some kind of burden on us
 
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1337348 said:
You don't fit brainless twits in polyester suits and carpet bombs posing for pictures as the only 'heroic measure' just adorable? I find them particularly amusing and all animal like in their element when they crap their pants the minute they are captured.. They don't have enough pride to die with honor, so they cry like school girls and plead before having their heads are chopped off!

and may Allah swt yizeedhoum khosara in this life and the hereafter

ameen
yh, a bunch of pretty boys for an army, i find is pretty daym amusing, dont yah think lol
 
It's better to fight them in Aghanistan than on the streets of Britain. David Cameron have offered the troops a pay increase yesterday which will give them all a huge boost.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view...troops-We-re-proud-of-you-have-a-pay-increase



The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...

I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.
 
I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.

I think they should sort out the issue of PTSD first cause you end up losing soldiers when they're not even in combat
 
I think they should sort out the issue of PTSD first cause you end up losing soldiers when they're not even in combat

Indeed, and that needs to be addressed. Coming back from the adrenaline and horrors of war can have very bad consequences on a minority of soldiers. They may be in the minority, but this country needs to shows its graditude to them. They are brave men who have sacrificed their mental health for the wellbeing and security of the UK, and the government must strive to help those men recover their mental health.
 
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