10 NATO Soldiers Die in Afghanistan

[Argamemnon]

'Common knowledge' implies it's something that's commonly known; honestly, I'd never heard of it until I visited this forum. I don't know anyone IRL who thinks like that.

You see, that's exactly the problem. Intelligent people do know, but your bloodthirsty government doesn't want the ignorant masses to know. Ever heard of media propaganda? Here are some superb books "Hegemony or Survival" (Noam Chomsky), "killing Hope" (William Blum), "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" (William Blum).

 

[جوري]

children aren't to blame nor do they deserve any suffering. if god exists i am happy to know your prayers for the suffering of the innocents will not be heard. if allah exist then your prayers will still mean nothing since you're wishing the suffering of children who are Muslim according to your own texts. you're as bad as the very oppressors you condemn and this is exactly why being religious does not confer any sense of morality in anyone. people are despicable across the board.

Greetings,

In Islam there are no boundaries at all between the prayer of the oppressed and the doors of heaven, it is heard whether or not it is answered immediately, I assure you, it will be answered, Only God in his wisdom knows when that answer will come.
Now, you say I am as bad as the oppressors, well I find that laughably amusing since when are wishes equal to frank murder? That explains so much about your own psyche I suppose...

Results وَاتَّقُوا فِتْنَةً لَا تُصِيبَنَّ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْكُمْ خَاصَّةً ۖ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{25}[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 8:25] And guard yourselves against a chastisement which cannot fall exclusively on those of you who are wrong-doers, and know that Allah is severe in punishment.[/SIZE]

Still I can't figure out how hoping the children and loved ones of the war mongers suffer a grievous loss denotes that I am wishing it unto Muslim children? Perhaps it is one of those twisted mysteries that only atheists understand?

It doesn't aggrieve me one bit what you think of the God whose existence you deny or religion or me as a person, I am not here to pacify you with a nice PR move.. PR is left to Israel and the U.S and it certainly feigning sorrow doesn't exonerate people from the ills they commit especially when they go on committing it (oh sorry for that carpet bombing, but how can we target this imam we don't like unless we bomb the entire village, war casualties but please accept our apologies) . To me you are not only a mere hypocrite and complicit to murder, but a delusional being as well!

work on your logic, and don't feel free to speak on behalf of my religion or question my understanding with your usual pedantic conclusions!

all the best

____________

Addendum:

Do not be passive

Ibn Abee Dunya and al-Bayhaqi both reported on the authority of Ibraaheem bin ’Amr as-San’aani that he said:
Allah inspired Yush’a bin Nuun (the prophet after Moosa):
I am going to destroy forty thousand people from the good people amongst you and sixty thousand people from your wicked people.
He said:
O my Lord! These are the wicked people (I understand that) but what is the matter with the good people (i.e why destroy them too)?
Allah replied:
They did not become angry for what I became angry with and they used to eat with them (meaning with the wicked people) and used to drink with them.

 

[Supreme]

You see, that's exactly the problem. Intelligent people do know, but your bloodthirsty government doesn't want the ignorant masses to know. Ever heard of media propaganda? Here are some superb books "Hegemony or Survival" (Noam Chomsky), "killing Hope" (William Blum), "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" (William Blum).

Thanks, if I wasn't studying for the most important exams of my life, I may even read one of those books.

 

[aadil77]

My Government Went to Afghanistan And All I Got Was This Stupid Pipeline

The Complete Truth About the U.S. Attack on Afghanistan

http://citypaper.net/pipeline/

they secured their drugs business too

 

[Rabi Mansur]

9/11 was a false flag operation in order to get public support for continuous imperialistic wars and massacres. The West is the source of all aggression and wars and terrible massacres and horrific crimes against humanity.

Here is Chomsky obliterating 911 conspiracy theories with simple logic.

The Republicans were not smart enough to pull off a false flag operation. You are giving them too much credit. Bush and cronies just weren't that smart.

OTOH you are partially correct. The west is a source of aggression, but so are all other states. There is plenty of aggression and hypocrisy to go around. States are power centers and always will be.

:wa:

 

[Maryan0]

You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.

Exactly
Salam

 

[aadil77]

I'm not saying that the prophet said such things. He clearly didn't. That is why I am so surprised by some of the comments from people here who seem to delight in human suffering. It seems so "unIslamic" to me and so contrary to what the Prophet (pbuh) would have taught. It just aids and abets those who criticize Islam for being a violent hate-filled religion.

I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:

Human suffering is nothing to be delighted about, but if its due to well served justice then whats the problem?

Do the kuffar not laugh at us when they bomb us from helicopters? in the quran we're told we will have the last laugh when they are punished on the day of judgment:

083.034 This day it is those who believe who have the laugh of disbelievers,
083.035 On high couches, gazing.
083.036 Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do ?

And I don't understand the last part of your comment, I made it clear that your doubts about islam are no threat or burden upon us, you demonstated weak faith and doubts by a few comments by others - we make this clear to every revert to not judge islam from other muslims, you should instead look to the example of our prophet look to the words of Allah in the Quran - do not moan about not choosing the 'right' religion over minor things

 

[Lynx]

In Islam there are no boundaries at all between the prayer of the oppressed and the doors of heaven, it is heard whether or not it is answered immediately, I assure you, it will be answered,

Explains this:

since when are wishes equal to frank murder?

Because you are praying for suffering of children while at the same time believing that your prayers will come true (they won't and thank god. ).

Still I can't figure out how hoping the children and loved ones of the war mongers suffer a grievous loss denotes that I am wishing it unto Muslim children? Perhaps it is one of those twisted mysteries that only atheists understand?

No, it's no mystery; it's a syllogism that I wrote up last post. Let me quote myself:

Premise: All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
Premise: You prayed for suffering for these children
Conclusion: Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims

I think you ought reconsider the earlier duah you made for the suffering of your fellow muslims. I take back what I said earlier; you're probably not as bad the oppressors. emotions tend to make people less reflective so i hope in a sober state of mind you will realize the full implication of your words.

It doesn't aggrieve me one bit what you think of the God whose existence you deny or religion or me as a person, I am not here to pacify you with a nice PR move.. PR is left to Israel and the U.S and it certainly feigning sorrow doesn't exonerate people from the ills they commit especially when they go on committing it (oh sorry for that carpet bombing, but how can we target this imam we don't like unless we bomb the entire village, war casualties but please accept our apologies) . To me you are not only a mere hypocrite and complicit to murder, but a delusional being as well!

I don't support the actions of Israel or the U.S in defense of Israel.

 

[Rabi Mansur]

And I don't understand the last part of your comment, I made it clear that your doubts about islam are no threat or burden upon us, you demonstated weak faith and doubts by a few comments by others - we make this clear to every revert to not judge islam from other muslims, you should instead look to the example of our prophet look to the words of Allah in the Quran - do not moan about not choosing the 'right' religion over minor things

Thanks, but I don't need a lecture on faith. :statisfie

Human suffering is nothing to be delighted about, but if its due to well served justice then whats the problem?

Do the kuffar not laugh at us when they bomb us from helicopters?

Are you any better than a hate-filled Kuffar when you allow yourself to get down to their level?

:wa:

 

[جوري]

Explains this:

which part was hard for you to understand?

Because you are praying for suffering of children while at the same time believing that your prayers will come true (they won't and thank god. ).

until such a time you survey the families of every slain war-monger to see whether their families are rejoicing over their military benefits vs. overcome with grief, I'd keep your 'thank God' to yourself.. it is the most mal-fitted assertion I have read by your person!

No, it's no mystery; it's a syllogism that I wrote up last post. Let me quote myself:

People are born on fitrah until such a time their parents make them another religion (why it is that you see yourself fit for expert exegesis is beyond me) clearly the little 'cute Israeli' children signing the bombs aren't on fitrah.. fitrah goes with the nature of man and with goodness, and those little satanists didn't look like there was an ounce of goodness left in them..

I think you ought reconsider the earlier duah you made for the suffering of your fellow muslims. I take back what I said earlier; you're probably not as bad the oppressors. emotions tend to make people less reflective so i hope in a sober state of mind you will realize the full implication of your words.

I meant every word I said, I pray for that five times a day if not more, and especially when I reflect!

I don't support the actions of Israel or the U.S in defense of Israel.

and what are you doing about that other than a mere profession on a forum?

all the best

 

[Lynx]

which part was hard for you to understand?

I wasn't asking anything. I was showing you that when you pray for suffering to fall upon someone and you think your prayers will actually come true then you are responsible for that.

People are born on fitrah until such a time their parents make them another religion (why it is that you see yourself fit for expert exegesis is beyond me) clearly the little 'cute Israeli' children signing the bombs aren't on fitrah.. fitrah goes with the nature of man and with goodness, and those little satanists didn't look like there was an ounce of goodness left in them..

And what age do you think a child becomes culpable in Islam? Whenever you decide? Before you google that, it doesn't matter because the children of the kafir soldiers are everywhere from age 0 to whenever. By sheer deductive syllogistic logic that you stubbornly refusing to acknowledge, you are praying for the suffering of people that are technically Muslim. Even if they are not Muslim, why would you pray for the suffering of children who didn't do anything? Just because they were born to soldiers? Is that their fault? Just because you can find a picture of kids like that does not represent all children everywhere. Don't you have a sense of justice outside of this weird 'they killed my children so I will kill theirs' attitude? I shouldn't care since there are tons of people that share your thinking but wow.

and what are you doing about that other than a mere profession on a forum?

I can't do anything more than just donate a few bucks to a charity but there are a lot of suffering people out there that I can relate to more than Palestinians.

 

[جوري]

I wasn't asking anything. I was showing you that when you pray for suffering to fall upon someone and you think your prayers will actually come true then you are responsible for that.

lol.. are you responsible for wishing you can rob the national bank (let's make it altruistic, a robbery for the sake of the poor) when the national bank gets robbed by folks that have positively nothing to do with you, should you be held accountable?
You want to talk logic, I suggest you get back to your community college and re-enlist for that philosophy course so you can weave it better into your contentions here!

And what age do you think a child becomes culpable in Islam? Whenever you decide? Before you google that, it doesn't matter because the children of the kafir soldiers are everywhere from age 0 to whenever. By sheer deductive syllogistic logic that you stubbornly refusing to acknowledge, you are praying for the suffering of people that are technically Muslim. Even if they are not Muslim, why would you pray for the suffering of children who didn't do anything? Just because they were born to soldiers? Is that their fault? Just because you can find a picture of kids like that does not represent all children everywhere. Don't you have a sense of justice outside of this weird 'they killed my children so I will kill theirs' attitude? I shouldn't care since there are tons of people that share your thinking but wow.

Actually googling a fact seems more like your brand of expertise! I pray they suffer a loss that is great, for amongst other reasons, they'd have an understanding when they grow up of the terrors their folks inflicted upon others, perhaps it would humanize them a little!

I can't do anything more than just donate a few bucks to a charity but there are a lot of suffering people out there that I can relate to more than Palestinians.

I had no doubt that you should not be able to relate to the suffering of the Palestinians, or the afghanis or the Chechnyans, the iraqis etc etc... their lives are more horrific than your simpleton mind and effete life can possibly fathom!

all the best

 

[LauraS]

I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...

Would you please quote the messages that have shown support for the "suffering and massacres" of Muslims?

 

[Supreme]

I had no doubt that you should not be able to relate to the suffering of the Palestinians, or the afghanis or the Chechnyans, the iraqis etc etc... their lives are more horrific than your simpleton mind and effete life can possibly fathom!

Sorry, but... you live in America, don't you? I hardly imagine you're an expert on the plight of the Palestinians- looking at websites and photos from the comfort of your own home hardly qualifies as being savvy with regard to the suffering of forieigners thousands of miles away with living conditions you yourself have never experienced.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm getting involved in a debate that doesn't concern me. I just like it, I guess. And it's fantastic stress relief for THREE HOURS SOLID of history studying.

 

[Mohamed_Sadiq]

One man's hero is another man's enemy. So i say who cares about the nato soldiers.:shade:

 

[Trumble]

I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...

I'm not sure whether you are just sick, have severe comprehension problems, or both. No wonder anti-Islamic sentiment is on the rise in your country if you are typical of Dutch muslims.

 

[جوري]

Sorry, but... you live in America, don't you? I hardly imagine you're an expert on the plight of the Palestinians- looking at websites and photos from the comfort of your own home hardly qualifies as being savvy with regard to the suffering of forieigners thousands of miles away with living conditions you yourself have never experienced.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm getting involved in a debate that doesn't concern me. I just like it, I guess. And it's fantastic stress relief for THREE HOURS SOLID of history studying.

You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best

Travelling to places does not, in any way, equate to living there. It annoys me immensely when celebrities believe they're experts all of a sudden on a poverty through one visit for a week or so to an African village.

 

[جوري]

Travelling to places does not, in any way, equate to living there. It annoys me immensely when celebrities believe they're experts all of a sudden on a poverty through one visit for a week or so to an African village.

It beats sitting at home and talking about? secondly I am not a 'celebrity' and lastly what is the point of this moronic exercise?
are we quantifying our level of empathy?.. I am so amused by these byway deflections that come out of nowhere to steer the topic from where it ought to be to some imaginary place where one of you gets an ample chance to whine about something so ancillary!

 

[Woodrow]

You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best

Ukhti,

A little off topic Ukhti, Your sister Aabidah (My wife) wants to thank you for the wonderful pictures of your family home in Egypt and the other pictures you recently sent her from Egypt. I still find it humorous that your Grandmother spoke the Moroccan Darija instead of your native Egyptian Arabic. You are right the Darija name for those cookies is hilarious.