Does a woman have to defend herself from rape?

[Snowflake]

To be quite honest i find the title of this thread and the question asked on Islam q&a to be very ridiculous and unbelievable...ofcourse any women whos been raped will defend herself and will defend herself even with weapons...its not rocket science :heated:

Wth! I thought I'd gone mad. I couldn't believe I posted that! And then al hamdulillah I realised it wasn't me. Dang this nick is too similar to mine. Can you change it please? :hmm:

 

[Nájlá]

^lol

Can I just ask.. some women who are forced to be raped kill themselves whats the ruling for that? Does the women go to jahnaam because she killed herself?

 

[Ansariyah]

^lol

Can I just ask.. some women who are forced to be raped kill themselves whats the ruling for that? Does the women go to jahnaam because she killed herself?

I dont see why that would make any difference? Suicide is haram as its clearly stated in the Quraan.

 

[Masuma]

^well suicide is haram in every case!

People do suicide in the name of Allah, i.e.suicide bombers, but they still don't get a reward for it!

But Allah knows best! So I leave it for someone knowledgeable to answer. :-\

Plus nobody replied to my question yet!

 

[Snowflake]

I think it's brave to kill yourself rather than get raped. I mean imagine killing yourself not because you're suicidal and don't want to live no more, but because you want to protect your honour even if it costs you your life. Wow! Allahu akbar! I hope women who've done that are shaheeds. Their death at their own hands was their self-defence when they had no other means.

 

[Nájlá]

^That's what I've been thinking... I had girls say to me there rather just kill themselves than be raped.
But I don't know, It would be be counted as suicide and its haram like the sistersabove said.

But imagine a girl coming from a very cultural background and this girl gets raped, I don't think people from around her will feel one bit sorry for her and they'll want to kill the girl. imsad

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

What about those who suffer from severe mental illness due to the rape and kill themselves? and what about those suffering from general severe mental illnesses (like hearing voices) and they kill themselves? what is the rulling on that?

I think it's brave to kill yourself rather than get raped. I mean imagine killing yourself not because you're suicidal and don't want to live no more, but because you want to protect your honour even if it costs you your life. Wow! Allahu akbar! I hope women who've done that are shaheeds. Their death at their own hands was their self-defence when they had no other means.

protest honour? I have greater respect for women who just about to managed to carry on with their lives and even greater respect for those that keep their babies. also isnt life a test? she cutting her life short to protest her honour, how can you say "allahu akbar" to that !?! and when you mean honour, do you mean her culture? Because that is what it is right? islamically she has not lost her honour, the man who did that to her lost his "honour competely?

 

[yahia12]

I thought you had to have four witnesses to prove that it was rape. If this is true, wouldn't a woman who killed an "attacker" be charged with murder?

what if the modern equipment determines the suspect who raped her by example DNA samples. therefore the victim cannot come up with a lie and the suspect can be charged basis of the proof. what the ruling on this? its shows cleary who commit the rape.

 

[Masuma]

I think it's brave to kill yourself rather than get raped. I mean imagine killing yourself not because you're suicidal and don't want to live no more, but because you want to protect your honour even if it costs you your life. Wow! Allahu akbar! I hope women who've done that are shaheeds. Their death at their own hands was their self-defence when they had no other means.

No sister! Suicide is HARAM in each and every case! When Allah has said it, so why not simply accept?

Suicide kills the very hope of a person. What if Allah would rescue the Muslimah after some time? And now by killing herself, she has lost this hope!

SUICIDE IS HARAM!

 

[Masuma]

The country I belong to, if someone here rapes a woman, the ignorant people won't hate the rapist but they would abhor the poor victim!

This is ignorance of the worst type! Other girl's parents won't let them be friends with the victim. Her own family would hate her! She would never be looked upon as someone respected and "honour"? Well forget about it! She would remain unmarried throughout her life. Or if she was married, then her husband would divorce her and leave her to her misery! This brutal world! And I'm telling you facts only! I've read all these in news.

But still killing herself is suicide. Allah tests His slaves, some people have to undergo so sever tests like this! But still patience is their only wealth. And suffering in this life but then getting a reward in a life which is eternal...this is far better than doing the haram thing, i.e. suicide!

And Allah knows best!

 

[Zafran]

To be quite honest i find the title of this thread and the question asked on Islam q&a to be very ridiculous and unbelievable...ofcourse any women whos been raped will defend herself and will defend herself even with weapons...its not rocket science :heated:

Salaam

clearly shows you why the Ummah is in such a mess - we actually have to ask these questions???? are we that stupid? do muftis have to waste there time actually answering these foolish questions as well???

whats actually the point of this thread??

peace

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

The country I belong to, if someone here rapes a woman, the ignorant people won't hate the rapist but they would abhor the poor victim!

This is ignorance of the worst type! Other girl's parents won't let them be friends with the victim. Her own family would hate her! She would never be looked upon as someone respected and "honour"? Well forget about it! She would remain unmarried throughout her life. Or if she was married, then her husband would divorce her and leave her to her misery! This brutal world! And I'm telling you facts only! I've read all these in news.

But still killing herself is suicide. Allah tests His slaves, some people have to undergo so sever tests like this! But still patience is their only wealth. And suffering in this life but then getting a reward in a life which is eternal...this is far better than doing the haram thing, i.e. suicide!

And Allah knows best!

That is just sad!!! where are you from? is it a muslim country?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

what if the modern equipment determines the suspect who raped her by example DNA samples. therefore the victim cannot come up with a lie and the suspect can be charged basis of the proof. what the ruling on this? its shows cleary who commit the rape.

I thought you had to have four witnesses to prove that it was rape. If this is true, wouldn't a woman who killed an "attacker" be charged with murder?

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/does-islam-require-four-witnesses-for-rape/

 

[cat eyes]

yeh suicide is haraam at any cost :/

i absolutely admire those women who move on with there life when something as horrible as this happens.. there life is basically ruined because of it but they still manage to pick themselves up.

committing suicide, exactly what example and hope is that to give to other victims of rape?

with mental illness, you can still live a normal life otherwise why would Allah have invented medicine? thats the same as saying ''aah i have cancer, i should just kill myself sure, no reason to live''

this type of thinking makes me sick. all that says is your proven shayytan is right, humans are weak. we have to defeat shayytan and prove him wrong.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

yeh suicide is haraam at any cost :/

i absolutely admire those women who move on with there life when something as horrible as this happens.. there life is basically ruined because of it but they still manage to pick themselves up.

committing suicide, exactly what example and hope is that to give to other victims of rape?

with mental illness, you can still live a normal life otherwise why would Allah have invented medicine? thats the same as saying ''aah i have cancer, i should just kill myself sure, no reason to live''

this type of thinking makes me sick. all that says is your proven shayytan is right, humans are weak. we have to defeat shayytan and prove him wrong.

i dont think you understand me. I mean those people who go complete crazy and out of touch of reality. as a result they kill themselves. for example some who believe everyone is after him or her, the whole world is after them and they have not had the treatment, then they end up killing themselves. can we honestly they are going to hell?

there are lot of people with mental illnesses that goes undiagnosed, thus they dont recieve any treatment including medication.

 

[Masuma]

Salaam

clearly shows you why the Ummah is in such a mess - we actually have to ask these questions???? are we that stupid? do muftis have to waste there time actually answering these foolish questions as well???

whats actually the point of this thread??

peace

I don't understand you brother. You being sarcastic here?

I think that for each and every topic, research should be made. Each and every topic is accompanied by many questions and demands depths of knowledge.

SubhanAllah that we have scholars describing us such issues too. I don't think it is a waste of time.

How wonderful it is that we are being backed up by scholars on even such issues!!!

Nothing of a knowledge is stupidity to me. We are not asking here 2+2=? ! And look, how one topic gives rise to many more questions which are considerably difficult and requires scholars fatwas!

So Just my difference of opinion.

 

[Masuma]

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/does-islam-require-four-witnesses-for-rape/

Jazakamullhu Khair sister for the link!

I too found it confusing that why for 4 witnesses are required in this case too! I mean of course the witnesses won't stand there simply watching!!!

i dont think you understand me. I mean those people who go complete crazy and out of touch of reality. as a result they kill themselves. for example some who believe everyone is after him or her, the whole world is after them and they have not had the treatment, then they end up killing themselves. can we honestly they are going to hell?

there are lot of people with mental illnesses that goes undiagnosed, thus they dont recieve any treatment including medication.

Sis, no matter what the case is, suicide is haram!

When Allah has said it, then we should accept it.

Suicide, as I said before, kills the very hope of a person which is a blessing from Allah.

And Allah knows best!

 

[cat eyes]

i dont think you understand me. I mean those people who go complete crazy and out of touch of reality. as a result they kill themselves. for example some who believe everyone is after him or her, the whole world is after them and they have not had the treatment, then they end up killing themselves. can we honestly they are going to hell?

there are lot of people with mental illnesses that goes undiagnosed, thus they dont recieve any treatment including medication.

still you don't go and kill yourself. muslims should know this. again its just like having cancer, its gone undiagnosed but your feeling pain, it does not mean you go and kill yourself.

and god knows there is many women out there who are suffering from any type of disease and its gone undiagnosed, they are fighting for there life to live a normal life for the sake of there family.

i think you are talking about a totally brain damaged person? because they totally don't know what there doing. there is no medication for brain damage.

a person who is mentally ill from depression so he or she is imagining things and is paranoid they still have the sense to know something is wrong with them for example if i started hearing voices now id go to my local imam or doctor. human always gets indication something is wrong so they are not totally dumb. but they refuse to seek help in many cases. we had a brother who made a thread here and his mum was sick but she was refusing to take the medication.

 

[Snowflake]

^That's what I've been thinking... I had girls say to me there rather just kill themselves than be raped.
But I don't know, It would be be counted as suicide and its haram like the sistersabove said.

But imagine a girl coming from a very cultural background and this girl gets raped, I don't think people from around her will feel one bit sorry for her and they'll want to kill the girl. imsad

I know sis. It happens. And the truth is we don't know if killing yourself to protect yourself from rape is counted as suicide, just as killing an attacker to defend your home/family is not considered murder. I don't see it any differently.

sweet106;1340928]What about those who suffer from severe mental illness due to the rape and kill themselves? and what about those suffering from general severe mental illnesses (like hearing voices) and they kill themselves? what is the rulling on that?

If mental illness has driven a person to insanity then they are not accountable for their actions. As the insane are even excused from the obligatory prayers. Will try and post fatwa when I'm on again inshaAllah.

protest honour? I have greater respect for women who just about to managed to carry on with their lives and even greater respect for those that keep their babies. also isnt life a test? she cutting her life short to protest her honour, how can you say "allahu akbar" to that !?! and when you mean honour, do you mean her culture? Because that is what it is right? islamically she has not lost her honour, the man who did that to her lost his "honour competely?

Protect*.

That is fine and good if women strive to carry on as normal after rape. But there is a big difference between carrying on after something has happened and in preventing something in the first place. So please don't tell me you think my sisters in Kashmir should let themselves be raped by harami hindus in front of their fathers and brothers and still feel honourable after it. Would you? I for sure as hell know I wouldn't. It's easy for a person to kill themselves when they feel they have nothing to live for, cuz they kill themselves despairing Allah's mercy. But women who kill themselves to avoid rape, don't do it because they despair Allah's mercy, they do it protect their body because they believe it is a trust of Allah which they have to protect from being violated by some God ****ed *******! And these women weren't even suicidal. Can you imagine killing yourself when you don't want to die? Think about it for a moment.


Allah has dominion over all things, and just because Allah has prescribed a punishment for any act, he still judges each case individually. His mercy prevails over His wrath. So yeah, Allahu akbar!










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[Ummu Sufyaan]

Salaam

clearly shows you why the Ummah is in such a mess - we actually have to ask these questions???? are we that stupid? do muftis have to waste there time actually answering these foolish questions as well???

whats actually the point of this thread??

peace

people usually ask questions because they don't know. whats the point of your comments?