Truth about the Taliban

[LauraS]

Although the taliban have had their faults, we will not believe blatant lies about them for many reasons, here are a few:

1. They are muslims, muslims have alot more honour and morals than non-muslims, you said the taliban are guilty of rape - my mind cannot associate that to muslims fighting for islamic law, that accusation is better suited to non-muslim troops who are filled with lust - the figures of how many female troops act as w hores and get pregnant prove it

2. We are told in the Quran:

O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done [Surat Al-Ĥujurāt {49:6}]

3. Media from countries at war in afghanistan is bound to be biased towards the 'enemy', they cannot move away public support for their wars so they have to justify them by reporting the most unreliable false claims. An example of that is the recent US/NATO bombing of a wedding which was then blamed on the taliban

4. RAWA is a group that wants 'democracy' they are bound to be against islamic punishments, even against male criminals. I've noticed they do not report why certain punishments are carried out, an example is the public execution of a woman in a football stadium. They did not say that the woman had admitted to killing her husband. So I'd be wary of such groups

There are numerous stories of rape from the taliban, surely you can't think everyone of them is righteous? The taliban seem to be tyrannical hypocrites.

RAWA did say the woman was accused of murder, but they also pointed out she'd suffered years of abuse from her husband and regardless of the situation I think it's disgusting that a person should be executed in front of thousands of people, including children. You saw the picture of a child holding someone's feet and hands? It's just barbaric to show these sorts of things to children.

 

[LauraS]

Well well, you don't know what your talking about, well at least I don't. Last time I checked those invaders dropped twice the amount of bombs than they did in Iraq. But no worries...at least to some people. :statisfie

May Allah ease all the affairs of my sisters and brothers in Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq and grant them victory over those invaders. Ameen.

If you don't want me to "chew the same gum" over and over then people should first of all stop assuming I don't care that innocent people, are being blown up. The point is the taliban were quite happy to bomb the population themselves (it'd another example of hypocrisy) , you can't defend it just because the the west have dropped a few more. That isn't very well worded but I'm in a rush.

 

[Ramadhan]

If you don't want me to "chew the same gum" over and over then people should first of all stop assuming I don't care that innocent people, are being blown up. The point is the taliban were quite happy to bomb the population themselves (it'd another example of hypocrisy) , you can't defend it just because the the west have dropped a few more. That isn't very well worded but I'm in a rush.

A few more?

This goes to show the wickedness in your heart.

case closed.

 

[aadil77]

If you don't want me to "chew the same gum" over and over then people should first of all stop assuming I don't care that innocent people, are being blown up. The point is the taliban were quite happy to bomb the population themselves (it'd another example of hypocrisy) , you can't defend it just because the the west have dropped a few more. That isn't very well worded but I'm in a rush.

'bomb the population' are you nuts? Why do you think its the taliban who were at war with their own people?

Foreign countries who invade another country do not give a crap for locals, they are not their own people, why would they give a **** about dropping 2000lb bombs on villages and blowing up people who have nothing to do with them?

'dropped a few more' LOL you're having a laugh its only the west that has dropped bombs, since when have the taliban had the capability to drop bombs that are indiscriminate and target everyone?

 

[Asiyah3]

If you don't want me to "chew the same gum" over and over then people should first of all stop assuming I don't care that innocent people, are being blown up. The point is the taliban were quite happy to bomb the population themselves (it'd another example of hypocrisy) , you can't defend it just because the the west have dropped a few more. That isn't very well worded but I'm in a rush.

Peace,
I tried to google for air-strikes in Afghanistan, but the ones I found were all committed by Americans. I did find a few couple of bombs (though not air-strikes) probably directed at soldiers by Taliban where in some American or NATO soldiers got killed. And they are have every right to protect themselves and their families and people. However, I couldn't manage to find ones directed at civilians, whereas I had no trouble with Americans' (/NATO) strikes killed people note without searching.

If you have some source/news where the air-strikes made by Taliban are listed, I'll have no problem taking a look.

 

[Zafran]

what LauraS has to accept that yes that taleban maybe the bad guys - but so are Nato - they have no right to be in afgahistan - they have no right to do regime change which is there main goal. - they have no right to airstrike the crap out of afghanis - the drone strikes are shocking - theres no difference with that and terrorism - the US specifically knows that the drone strikes are hated by the Afgahnis and Pakistanis (main poopulations) but they insist that its "effective".

 

[Supreme]

what LauraS has to accept that yes that taleban maybe the bad guys - but so are Nato - they have no right to be in afgahistan - they have no right to do regime change which is there main goal. - they have no right to airstrike the crap out of afghanis - the drone strikes are shocking - theres no difference with that and terrorism - the US specifically knows that the drone strikes are hated by the Afgahnis and Pakistanis (main poopulations) but they insist that its "effective".

I agree that NATO should be doing far more to avoid civilian casualties, and that it is shameful that so many people die needlessly in NATO co-ordinated attacks. But, I've every confidence that if the Taliban possessed the same weapons, they'd be killing the same amount of civilians, and much more besides. They're already killing more civilians then NATO without the fancy military hardware- how awful would it be if they did possess the ability to inflict damage on hundreds of civilians at any one time!

 

[aadil77]

They're already killing more civilians then NATO without the fancy military hardware- how awful would it be if they did possess the ability to inflict damage on hundreds of civilians at any one time!

are you sure about that or is this another one of your assumptions?

 

[Asiyah3]

They're already killing more civilians then NATO

Do I always have to ask for a source separately?

 

[Supreme]

Actually, my source is related to a source that involves one of the lulziest cases of irony I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing.

My source comes from this earlier post from aadil himself, perhaps the biggest Talifan here, who fantasies about the Taliban being a band of noble knights was marred by this single article he posted:

Originally posted by aadil:

US air strike wiped out Afghan wedding party, inquiry finds (20)Tweet this (2)James Sturcke and agencies guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 July 2008 14.47 BST Article history
An injured Afghan boy is put on a stretcher at a hospital in Jalalabad city, Afghanistan. Photograph: Nesar Ahmad

A US air strike killed 47 civilians, including 39 women and children, as they were travelling to a wedding in Afghanistan, an official inquiry found today. The bride was among the dead.

Another nine people were wounded in Sunday's attack, the head of the Afghan government investigation, Burhanullah Shinwari, said.

Fighter aircraft attacked a group of militants near the village of Kacu in the eastern Nuristan province, but one missile went off course and hit the wedding party, said the provincial police chief spokesman, Ghafor Khan.

The US military initially denied any civilians had been killed.
Lieutenant Rumi Nielson-Green, a spokeswoman for the US-led coalition, told AFP today the military regretted the loss of any civilian life and was investigating the incident.

The US is facing similar charges over strikes two days earlier in another border area of Afghanistan.

The nine-member inquiry team appointed by the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, to look into the wedding party incident found only civilians had been killed in the attack.

"We found that 47 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed in the air strikes and another nine were wounded," said Shinwari, who is also the deputy speaker of Afghanistan's senate.

"They were all civilians and had no links with the Taliban or al-Qaida."

Around 10 people were missing and believed to be still under rubble, he said. The inquiry team were shown the bloodied clothes of women and children in a visit to the scene.

The Red Cross said 250 people had been killed or wounded in five days of military action and militant attacks in the past week.

The toll included the US-led air strikes and a suicide blast outside the Indian embassy in Kabul on Monday that killed more than 40 people, including two Indian envoys.

The UN said last month that nearly 700 Afghan civilians had lost their lives this year - about two-thirds in militant attacks and about 255 in military operations.

Karzai has pleaded repeatedly for western troops to take care not to harm civilians, and in December wept during a speech lamenting civilian deaths at the hands of foreign forces.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134297684-do-you-support-afghan-taliban-12.html

 

[Asiyah3]

The UN said last month that nearly 700 Afghan civilians had lost their lives this year - about two-thirds in militant attacks and about 255 in military operations.

700 civilians got killed during that month. However, I couldn't find the part where it says that the Taliban killed them?

 

[Supreme]

700 civilians got killed during that month. However, I couldn't find the part where it says that the Taliban killed them?

1) It says that year, not that month.
2) It says they were killed by militants ie Taliban.

Reading is a wonderful skill, for those who can master it!

 

[aadil77]

The UN said last month that nearly 700 Afghan civilians had lost their lives this year - about two-thirds in militant attacks and about 255 in military operations.

255 - I'm bound to believe that especially after a single US airstrike can wipe out 150 civilians

 

[Zafran]

I agree that NATO should be doing far more to avoid civilian casualties, and that it is shameful that so many people die needlessly in NATO co-ordinated attacks. But, I've every confidence that if the Taliban possessed the same weapons, they'd be killing the same amount of civilians, and much more besides. They're already killing more civilians then NATO without the fancy military hardware- how awful would it be if they did possess the ability to inflict damage on hundreds of civilians at any one time!

you see thats a what "if" - we're talking about now - and the fact is that nato has inflicted a huge mass of violence against the afgahns for the wrong reasons.

 

[brotherubaid]

no this isn't what islam says, don't you think the taliban had daughters, sisters, mothers who they would want an education for?

they said they temporarly stopped women until they could sort out the issue of freemixing - AllahuAlim, but I have faith they will sort this out next time they get in power

BRother i do not know what part of pakistan u come from but i am from the northwest the strong holds of taliban n all , bro do u really think that in those areas there is free mixing?? bro not even close!! there are seperate schools for girls and there is notthing wrong with the curriculum , bro taliban are not knowledable of the deen , they are not even qualified , not even their heads , Bro i come from those areas , bro ALL my family is there and i can confirm that ALL their operations and finances come from DRUG TRADE , all our mountains n areas are FULL of heroin n hashish n opium trade , thats where it grows n even goes all the way to the west , and trust me they are heavily involved in it , and also recently the newset trend for tjem to get their funds in Kidnapping , bro i have had family memebrs kidnapped , as soon as they realise some on has money they kidnap their kids n family members and ask ridicolus sums and that money gets used for "Jihad"?? u knmow which jihaad , the type where u plot bombs in markets n in mosques and in public places and in police stations, yes that jihaad , like a great schlar sheikh abdul mohsin al abbad the muhadith of madeenah was asked , if they are mujahids or khawarij , he said they are mujahids, mujahids in the way of shaytaan!! bro there whole ideology n way is corrupted and deviated , they are being used , the enemy are using them for their own purpose , they are being fooled and they are definetly not the hope for the ummah rather the biggest calamity on the ummah , and may Allah save us all.

http://www.islamagainstextremism.com http://www.answering-extremism.com

 

[aadil77]

^as you say bro, remember this thread is about afghan taliban

 

[LauraS]

what LauraS has to accept that yes that taleban maybe the bad guys - but so are Nato - they have no right to be in afgahistan - they have no right to do regime change which is there main goal. - they have no right to airstrike the crap out of afghanis - the drone strikes are shocking - theres no difference with that and terrorism - the US specifically knows that the drone strikes are hated by the Afgahnis and Pakistanis (main poopulations) but they insist that its "effective".

*bangs head* I've said about a hundred times now that I've no real support for the invasion.

Peace,
I tried to google for air-strikes in Afghanistan, but the ones I found were all committed by Americans. I did find a few couple of bombs (though not air-strikes) probably directed at soldiers by Taliban where in some American or NATO soldiers got killed. And they are have every right to protect themselves and their families and people. However, I couldn't manage to find ones directed at civilians, whereas I had no trouble with Americans' (/NATO) strikes killed people note without searching.

If you have some source/news where the air-strikes made by Taliban are listed, I'll have no problem taking a look.

The bombings were when the taliban first took control, I'll try and find some sources.

A few more?

This goes to show the wickedness in your heart.

case closed.

Don't be so melodramatic. I was saying that neither side just be defended for dropping bombs on innocent, although as I said in my post it was badly worded. When I've posted numerous posts about the sympathy I feel for Afghanistan, that satement is really quite daft.


That's who we have to think about the people who have just known one group of invaders and tyrants after another for years.

 

[Asiyah3]

1) It says that year, not that month.

Oops, I misunderstood. I thought it said during the last month.

 

[Asiyah3]

The bombings were when the taliban first took control, I'll try and find some sources.

Peace,
No need, I'm leaving the forum. My last words, I really hope you'll learn about Islam during your stay here and become closer to Allah. I believe that Allah guides those who seek guidance.

It was nice to meet you. Finally, I'd like to sum up all my talks on this thread: I know nothing about the Taliban.

 

[LauraS]

Peace,
No need, I'm leaving the forum. My last words, I really hope you'll learn about Islam during your stay here and become closer to Allah. I believe that Allah guides those who seek guidance.

It was nice to meet you. Finally, I'd like to sum up all my talks on this thread: I know nothing about the Taliban.

Oh well, goodbye then lol, nice to meet you too. I do feel I've understood Islam a bit more while I've been but obviously there's much more and I hope to do so.