Truth about the Taliban

[Lynx]

The only people who did not want to live under taliban rule where those who followed their whims and fancies. So what if they banned television, music or pornography. It was their country, they fought for it with their blood and are doing it again. Nobody forces the united states to ban pornography, television or prostitution. It is their country they are free to as they please,

Some inconsistency there. o.o

 

[LauraS]

Indeed, which is why your pictures are irrelevant..


What you think is inconsequential.


I'm afraid your reading comprehension will screw you over.

Muslimah, I meant no offence, I know we disagree but I didn't want bad feeling and was just trying to lighten the tone of the post.

I've never said American soldiers are innocent of crimes, it's obvious they're not, I've also read stories about rape. As I've read stories about rape by the taliban too, why are you willing to believe the American soldiers will do these things, but no evidence is enough to say the taliban are guilty of atrocities. This is what it seems like: It's like everyone is scraping for excuses not to believe the taliban are guilty of crimes. The word of Tyrion's family isn't good enough because, although raised in Afghanistan they moved to the west, so they have adopted western ideas and their word should just be dismissed basically according to mad scientist. Then you have the people of RAWA who haven't moved to the west, some of the members still live in Afghanistan and if you read Zoya's book they don't even support the invasion or particularly like the western lifestyle, but again their word isn't good enough and we must dismiss them as feminists (even though the chairty is supported by men) and liberals. Pictures of women being beaten in the sreets, the amputation of limbs at sports stadiums and public hangings also isn't evidence enough. You can't expect the people in the photos to be wearing signs saying "taliban, look at what we are doing", there are other charities set up by the people of Afghanistan that tell the same stories. Of course if someone came on and said they loved the taliban it would accepted straight away as the truth and their background wouldn't be questioned at all. So although you say you are open to proof that the taliban are as bad as is said, you'd never bring yourself to believe it.

Muslimeen- Do you listen to music and watch television? Wouldn't you be just a bit annoyed if someone decided you suddenly didn't have the right to do so?

Yes the taliban fought for the country, by dropping bombs and killing hundreds so they could take control, exactly what the west are being criticised for now....

 

[aadil77]

Although the taliban have had their faults, we will not believe blatant lies about them for many reasons, here are a few:

1. They are muslims, muslims have alot more honour and morals than non-muslims, you said the taliban are guilty of rape - my mind cannot associate that to muslims fighting for islamic law, that accusation is better suited to non-muslim troops who are filled with lust - the figures of how many female troops act as w hores and get pregnant prove it

2. We are told in the Quran:

O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done [Surat Al-Ĥujurāt {49:6}]

3. Media from countries at war in afghanistan is bound to be biased towards the 'enemy', they cannot move away public support for their wars so they have to justify them by reporting the most unreliable false claims. An example of that is the recent US/NATO bombing of a wedding which was then blamed on the taliban

4. RAWA is a group that wants 'democracy' they are bound to be against islamic punishments, even against male criminals. I've noticed they do not report why certain punishments are carried out, an example is the public execution of a woman in a football stadium. They did not say that the woman had admitted to killing her husband. So I'd be wary of such groups

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Although the taliban have had their faults, we will not believe blatant lies about them for many reasons, here are a few:

1. They are muslims, muslims have alot more honour and morals than non-muslims, you said the taliban are guilty of rape - my mind cannot associate that to muslims fighting for islamic law, that accusation is better suited to non-muslim troops who are filled with lust - the figures of how many female troops act as w hores and get pregnant prove it

2. We are told in the Quran:

O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done [Surat Al-Ĥujurāt {49:6}]

3. Media from countries at war in afghanistan is bound to be biased towards the 'enemy', they cannot move away public support for their wars so they have to justify them by reporting the most unreliable false claims. An example of that is the recent US/NATO bombing of a wedding which was then blamed on the taliban

4. RAWA is a group that wants 'democracy' they are bound to be against islamic punishments, even against male criminals. I've noticed they do not report why certain punishments are carried out, an example is the public execution of a woman in a football stadium. They did not say that the woman had admitted to killing her husband. So I'd be wary of such groups

as-salam alaykum

where is the borther you said he was coming to this forum to discuss the taliban?

Best regards

sweet106

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

It is not right to dismiss what another Muslim brother (Tyrion) has told you regardless if he is living in the west or not. You are living in the west, does that mean we should dismiss everything you said. I’m not saying Taliban is evil or anything as such; just take all sides to account that is all.

 

[aadil77]

as-salam alaykum

where is the borther you said he was coming to this forum to discuss the taliban?

Best regards

sweet106

he's been on this forum for ages, I've pm'ed him, I think he's a bit worried about how 'safe' it is

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

he's been on this forum for ages, I've pm'ed him, I think he's a bit worried about how 'safe' it is

oh okay. I understand. no worries he can take his time. Jazaakalahu khayr for PM -ing him. Much appreciated

 

[BoredAgnostic]

he's been on this forum for ages, I've pm'ed him, I think he's a bit worried about how 'safe' it is

Why should he be concerned about his safety, particularly if he is defending the Taliban (I'm assuming?)
Just curious..

In general, I understand this is a discussion thread, but things types of threads always end up in a bitter back and forth with tensions running really high.

I think it would be much better to see a debate between those that have lived and interacted with them, otherwise, everyone is going to hold on stubbornly to their convictions and whether or not they support them. I in no way shape or form support the Taliban (and I couldn't give two, if someone thinks I'm brainwashed by western propaganda), but if someone does-- *Shrugs* their choice.

 

[Supreme]

1. They are muslims, muslims have alot more honour and morals than non-muslims, you said the taliban are guilty of rape - my mind cannot associate that to muslims fighting for islamic law, that accusation is better suited to non-muslim troops who are filled with lust - the figures of how many female troops act as w hores and get pregnant prove it

I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. Pure garbage. Muslims do not have any more morals or honour than non-Muslims. They worship another God from non-Muslims, but as far as differences go, there's no real divisiion in terms of morals or 'honour'. And the rape bit if laughable. If you can't imagine a bunch of young men starved of sex and female attention for many years raping women, then we are clearly not talking about straight, human males. There's bound to be a few instances of rape within the Taliban ranks, regardless of what the law they're supposedly fighting for says- it's hardly the first unIslamic activity the Taliban have engaged in, and it's not the first time people in a position of power have broken their own rules, either.

 

[aadil77]

Why should he be concerned about his safety, particularly if he is defending the Taliban (I'm assuming?)
Just curious..

In general, I understand this is a discussion thread, but things types of threads always end up in a bitter back and forth with tensions running really high.

I think it would be much better to see a debate between those that have lived and interacted with them, otherwise, everyone is going to hold on stubbornly to their convictions and whether or not they support them. I in no way shape or form support the Taliban (and I couldn't give two, if someone thinks I'm brainwashed by western propaganda), but if someone does-- *Shrugs* their choice.

yh the brother lives in pakistan and has already had encounters with security agencies for supporting them (afghan taliban)

and yh thats a good idea

 

[aadil77]

I'm sorry, but that is nonsense. Pure garbage. Muslims do not have any more morals or honour than non-Muslims. They worship another God from non-Muslims, but as far as differences go, there's no real divisiion in terms of morals or 'honour'

Well you look at the societies of the great 'West' and compare them to even the worst most unislamic muslims countries - they are still far better

And the rape bit if laughable. If you can't imagine a bunch of young men starved of sex and female attention for many years raping women, then we are clearly not talking about straight, human males. There's bound to be a few instances of rape within the Taliban ranks, regardless of what the law they're supposedly fighting for says- it's hardly the first unIslamic activity the Taliban have engaged in, and it's not the first time people in a position of power have broken their own rules, either

LOL you could say that about most muslim males but do we go around raping others. The few instances you talk about would be rare especially in afghanistan as you'd end up like this:

What happened to the US soldiers who raped a young iraqi girl then butchered her and her family? they didn't even get the death penalty according to iraqi law

 

[Muslimeen]

Some people tolerate way too much injustice in the name of human rights. Unfortunately they don't realise that the VICTIMS are humans too. When will the world start fighting for the victims of injustice rather than the perpertrators. Islam puts all of that into perspective. How would the so called human rights activist have to say if it were there wife or daughter that was brutally raped or even gang raped. I say make an example of them for all to see, potential rapist's will think twice before raping anyone.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

^Subhaan`Allaah . . . . . . . . .

 

[Asiyah3]

Muslimah, I meant no offence, I know we disagree but I didn't want bad feeling and was just trying to lighten the tone of the post.

Peace LauraS,
I neither meant offence, and I apologize if I came across that way.

As I've read stories about rape by the taliban too, why are you willing to believe the American soldiers will do these things, but no evidence is enough to say the taliban are guilty of atrocities. This is what it seems like: It's like everyone is scraping for excuses not to believe the taliban are guilty of crimes.The word of Tyrion's family isn't good enough because, although raised in Afghanistan they moved to the west, so they have adopted western ideas and their word should just be dismissed basically according to mad scientist. Then you have the people of RAWA who haven't moved to the west, some of the members still live in Afghanistan and if you read Zoya's book they don't even support the invasion or particularly like the western lifestyle, but again their word isn't good enough and we must dismiss them as feminists (even though the chairty is supported by men) and liberals. Pictures of women being beaten in the sreets, the amputation of limbs at sports stadiums and public hangings also isn't evidence enough. You can't expect the people in the photos to be wearing signs saying "taliban, look at what we are doing", there are other charities set up by the people of Afghanistan that tell the same stories.

Why do you insist on chewing the same gum over and over again? I explained to you comprehensively my reasons which you failed to address and seem to ignore on purpose when someone expresses a valid disagreement. Yet, here you are.

It's like...
Granny: Those poor Xs. Y has done this and that! Look at these pictures! Look at what's written here!
Daughter: No mother, you can't put the blame on Y, because firstly... ... Secondly ... ... As for the pictures... ...
Granny: -

The next day:
Granny: Those poor Xs. Y has done this and that! Look at these pictures. Look at what's written here!

Of course if someone came on and said they loved the taliban it would accepted straight away as the truth and their background wouldn't be questioned at all. So although you say you are open to proof that the taliban are as bad as is said, you'd never bring yourself to believe it.

Speak for yourself only. In case my stance is unclear, I neither support nor seize the opportunity and put the blame on the Taliban whenever an Afghani encounters an injustice merely for the sake of my personal feelings.

Yes the taliban fought for the country, by dropping bombs and killing hundreds so they could take control, exactly what the west are being criticised for now....

Well well, you don't know what your talking about, well at least I don't. Last time I checked those invaders dropped twice the amount of bombs than they did in Iraq. But no worries...at least to some people. :statisfie

May Allah ease all the affairs of my sisters and brothers in Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq and grant them victory over those invaders. Ameen.

 

[Supreme]

Well you look at the societies of the great 'West' and compare them to even the worst most unislamic muslims countries - they are still far better

Far better- how do you mean? Most Western countries have abolished the death penalty, provided free health care for all residents, do not discriminate on the grounds of religion and have established human rights for their citizens- in terms of morality, I think those are all very good ethical achievements, primarily confined to the West.

LOL you could say that about most muslim males but do we go around raping others. The few instances you talk about would be rare especially in afghanistan as you'd end up like this:

What a poor argument- has the law ever stopped evil people doing evil deeds? Has punishment ever made criminals think twice? Of course not, or else history would look very different.

What happened to the US soldiers who raped a young iraqi girl then butchered her and her family? they didn't even get the death penalty according to iraqi law

That was an abhorrent crime. It actually makes one physcially sick when you think too much about it.

 

[nousername]

those selfish underground schools that were popping up should have provided help to the very competent Taliban.

that didn't answer the question. they were in power from 1996 to 2001, didn't that give them enough time to sort out the freemixing issue to give girls their right- an education? or no one can answer, just make up something to praise the Taliban ?

 

[aadil77]

Far better- how do you mean? Most Western countries have abolished the death penalty, provided free health care for all residents, do not discriminate on the grounds of religion and have established human rights for their citizens- in terms of morality, I think those are all very good ethical achievements, primarily confined to the West.

Getting rid of the death penalty is not an achievement the rest of the acheivements should be available in muslim countries. But many things are immoral in western countries and this continues to corrupt society. Just one example; look how children are being affected by sexualisation of everything now a days, its disgusting.


What a poor argument- has the law ever stopped evil people doing evil deeds? Has punishment ever made criminals think twice? Of course not, or else history would look very different.

Ofcourse punishments make criminals think twice, would you not think twice about raping someone if you knew you would be instantly executed? Look how well the justice system in saudi works, crime rates are virtually nil compared to the UK

That was an abhorrent crime. It actually makes one physcially sick when you think too much about it.

Yet the perpetrators did not recieve justice, their 'punishment' was an insult to the family

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[aadil77]

that didn't answer the question. they were in power from 1996 to 2001, didn't that give them enough time to sort out the freemixing issue to give girls their right- an education? or no one can answer, just make up something to praise the Taliban ?

time? they didn't have the money so what schools do you expect them to build? they had people dieing everyday because of malnutrition where do you expect them to spend most of their money on. If you listen to this interview with the taliban envoy - he literally pleads for aid and support, the UN built one seperate womens college/school and that continued to run under taliban rule

http://www.islamicboard.com/general...-show-interview-taliban-envoy-pre-9-11-a.html

 

[Supreme]

Getting rid of the death penalty is not an achievement the rest of the acheivements should be available in muslim countries. But many things are immoral in western countries and this continues to corrupt society. Just one example; look how children are being affected by sexualisation of everything now a days, its disgusting.

There are lots of immoral things in every culture, and what is considered immoral changes with people from different backgrounds. I agree that the sexualization (although minor, still very concerning) is immoral, but what about immoral things in other countries, that are equally disgraceful?

Ofcourse punishments make criminals think twice, would you not think twice about raping someone if you knew you would be instantly executed? Look how well the justice system in saudi works, crime rates are virtually nil compared to the UK

The factors with regard to crime rates are indeed fascinating, but you're a fool if you think it's as simple as 'low crime rates are down to recieving a death sentence'. Lower crime rates can be related to less reported crimes, decreased ability to commit a crime and motivation for a crime. If crime rates were solved magically by the death sentence, it would be present in every country without exception. You see, the death penalty today just seems like an outdated, tried and tested, cookie cutter approach to solving crime, and we're starting to discover there's far more depth to crime than a possible punishment.

 

[Lynx]

that didn't answer the question. they were in power from 1996 to 2001, didn't that give them enough time to sort out the freemixing issue to give girls their right- an education? or no one can answer, just make up something to praise the Taliban ?

i was clearly being sarcastic.

there were underground schools, many women teachers, and willing female students. the taliban either had no intention of sending women to school or didn't care enough to bother or had no idea how to get this institution to work.