Truth about the Taliban

[LauraS]

Peace LauraS,

You want me to show you the post of a western woman on the other thread on women's abuse as sexual objects in the West? Trust me, I can think of much worse sickening stories.

I can likewise bring you videos from p*** stars and strippers to models and business women that show the utterly brutal treatment these women get. As for those pics, I am well-aware how 'anti-Taliban' that website is. Anyhow, you're absolutely right this thread is about the Taliban therefore I am still open for clear proof of that the Afghan Taliban commit all those in the lady's list.

As for banning television/movies I can find you numerous countries including western that too ban or have banned certain movies or or books. Are you in a position to judge how a country / nation should pose their laws on television or other electricity and which movies/books they should allow ? I doubt or will you next start judging what movies and series TV channels aren't allowed to ban.. Now let's not derail our discussion from women's treatment to less significant matters.

I don't understand, what would you consider proof of the taliban's brutality then if pictures, videos or even the word of the member Tyrion, who has friends and family from Afghanistan, isn't enough? That amputation of that man's limbs took place in Kabul's football stadium, I'm sure you could find eye witness accounts, you only have to see the crowds of people around the boy to know it was a big event. On that site there is also a picture of a woman being executed in the stadium. Are you suggesting these things were done without the knowledge of the taliban? I doubt it, they are the ones that sanction these events. There are also accounts of people who have survived massacres carried out by the taliban. I have read similar stories about taliban behaviour from different sources and they're not western, so why shouldn't they be believed?

I mention television because I'm not just talking about women's rights but their petty rules in general, although women's rights tends to be the main topic. Yes other countries might ban certain programmes or films but they don't tend to ban TV full stop and beat people who do have a set. They have no right to control people's lives in such a way. Again, this is something that was law so isn't exactly just a one off event that was made up by people who are anti-taliban.

I have to mention Tyrion again, why is everybody ignoring his posts? His word should be more important than anyone if his family are from Afghanistan! Although it seems anyone speaking against the taliban who are from Afghanistan are just dismissed as feminists or liberals.

 

[aadil77]

I've requested a brother who has personally met the taliban to post on here InshAllah

 

[Asiyah3]

I don't understand, what would you consider proof of the taliban's brutality then if pictures, videos or even the word of the member Tyrion, who has friends and family from Afghanistan, isn't enough? That amputation of that man's limbs took place in Kabul's football stadium, I'm sure you could find eye witness accounts, you only have to see the crowds of people around the boy to know it was a big event. On that site there is also a picture of a woman being executed in the stadium. Are you suggesting these things were done without the knowledge of the taliban? I doubt it, they are the ones that sanction these events. There are also accounts of people who have survived massacres carried out by the taliban. I have read similar stories about taliban behaviour from different sources and they're not western, so why shouldn't they be believed?

Peace,

You do realize that your "remarks" can be applied to any group. Palestinians can use it against Israelis, anti-Islamists can use it again Muslims and the same applies to any contra-groups... Simply replace the word Taliban. =) Palestinians have pictures and videos of Israelis hurting children, anti-Islamists have pictures and videos of Muslims crying and each group has quite impressive arguments. Now you tell me why these shouldn't be believed?

I mention television because I'm not just talking about women's rights but their petty rules in general, although women's rights tends to be the main topic. Yes other countries might ban certain programmes or films but they don't tend to ban TV full stop and beat people who do have a set. They have no right to control people's lives in such a way. Again, this is something that was law so isn't exactly just a one off event that was made up by people who are anti-taliban.

Even though I don't know if that rule is true, I didn't and won't deny and refute it. That is why I said that many other countries too ban certain movies, books etc. I agree with you that they don't have a right to control people's life in such a way. However, we're not in the position to judge which electricity can and can't a country ban? This goes to social philosophy, which I prefer not to delve into unless you insist on writing me an essay ..

I have to mention Tyrion again, why is everybody ignoring his posts? His word should be more important than anyone if his family are from Afghanistan! Although it seems anyone speaking against the taliban who are from Afghanistan are just dismissed as feminists or liberals.

Not at all. I'll start a discussion with him privately bi 'ithnil-Laah (By Allah's leave).

 

[Tyrion]

Not at all. I'll start a discussion with him privately bi 'ithnil-Laah (By Allah's leave).

Salaam Muslimah,

I received your pm, but apparently I can't send a reply because I haven't yet met the 50 post requirement to become a full member... But what I was going to say was basically a reiteration of what I've said already in the posts, and I mentioned that I would prefer to keep the discussion within the thread so that more people could participate. I do appreciate your message however, and I'm sorry I couldn't respond to it.

Peace. =)

 

[Asiyah3]

Salaam Muslimah,

I received your pm, but apparently I can't send a reply because I haven't yet met the 50 post requirement to become a full member... But what I was going to say was basically a reiteration of what I've said already in the posts, and I mentioned that I would prefer to keep the discussion within the thread so that more people could participate. I do appreciate your message however, and I'm sorry I couldn't respond to it.

Peace. =)

Apparently you aren't answering my very simple questions.

Read the message again:
"I assume you know why I messaged you. Anyhow, are you from Afghanistan? What are your opinions on the Taliban? If you'd like to tell me all you think I should know about your country insha'Allah."

 

[Tyrion]

Apparently you aren't answering my very simple questions.

Read the message again:
"I assume you know why I messaged you. Anyhow, are you from Afghanistan? What are your opinions on the Taliban? If you'd like to tell me all you think I should know about your country insha'Allah."

Oh, I assumed the reason you sent me a message was because you wanted to keep the discussion private. In that case, I'll just post my reply:

"Salaam Muslimah,

I am Afghan American, and my family was born and raised in Afghanistan. My opinions on the Taliban are based on their first hand accounts, and I pretty much summed things up within the thread. Basically, from what I've been told, the Taliban claim to do whatever they do in the name of Islam, but then murder and oppress. I don't know what their ideals are, or if every single one of them is the same, however the Taliban in Afghanistan have caused much more trouble than good from what I've been told. They execute people for small crimes, and one story in particular involved a young girl being murdered for something incredibly petty, like being out of the house or something of that nature. I'm fuzzy on some of the details, but that's the gist of it. The vast majority of Afghans who have left the country to come to America feel the same way about the Taliban, and it really seems like they aren't who they say they are.

On a side note, I would prefer if we could keep the discussion within the threat, so that more people could participate. I do appreciate your message though. =) "




Again, I basically ended up repeating what I've said before in the thread, because I feel like those questions have already been answered...

 

[Asiyah3]

Oh, I assumed the reason you sent me a message was because you wanted to keep the discussion private. In that case, I'll just post my reply:

"Salaam Muslimah,

I am Afghan American, and my family was born and raised in Afghanistan. My opinions on the Taliban are based on their first hand accounts, and I pretty much summed things up within the thread. Basically, from what I've been told, the Taliban claim to do whatever they do in the name of Islam, but then murder and oppress. I don't know what their ideals are, or if every single one of them is the same, however the Taliban in Afghanistan have caused much more trouble than good from what I've been told. They execute people for small crimes, and one story in particular involved a young girl being murdered for something incredibly petty, like being out of the house or something of that nature. I'm fuzzy on some of the details, but that's the gist of it. The vast majority of Afghans who have left the country to come to America feel the same way about the Taliban, and it really seems like they aren't who they say they are.

On a side note, I would prefer if we could keep the discussion within the threat, so that more people could participate. I do appreciate your message though. =) "




Again, I basically ended up repeating what I've said before in the thread, because I feel like those questions have already been answered...

Interesting. =) And by interesting I certainly don't mean that I digest what you say.

Since you told me about your country, I feel like I should tell you a bit about my country too. However, I'll rather pm it. I think you can respond here as the conversation seems to have quite gone down anyway. If the thread-starter doesn't mind of course.

 

[nousername]

no this isn't what islam says, don't you think the taliban had daughters, sisters, mothers who they would want an education for?

they said they temporarly stopped women until they could sort out the issue of freemixing - AllahuAlim, but I have faith they will sort this out next time they get in power

but they were in power from around 1996 to 2001. isn't that enough time to sort out the freemixing and give the girls an education they so rightfully deserve??

 

[Lynx]

but they were in power from around 1996 to 2001. isn't that enough time to sort out the freemixing and give the girls an education they so rightfully deserve??

those selfish underground schools that were popping up should have provided help to the very competent Taliban.

 

[LauraS]

ignore and look above lol

 

[LauraS]

Oh, I assumed the reason you sent me a message was because you wanted to keep the discussion private. In that case, I'll just post my reply:

"Salaam Muslimah,

I am Afghan American, and my family was born and raised in Afghanistan. My opinions on the Taliban are based on their first hand accounts, and I pretty much summed things up within the thread. Basically, from what I've been told, the Taliban claim to do whatever they do in the name of Islam, but then murder and oppress. I don't know what their ideals are, or if every single one of them is the same, however the Taliban in Afghanistan have caused much more trouble than good from what I've been told. They execute people for small crimes, and one story in particular involved a young girl being murdered for something incredibly petty, like being out of the house or something of that nature. I'm fuzzy on some of the details, but that's the gist of it. The vast majority of Afghans who have left the country to come to America feel the same way about the Taliban, and it really seems like they aren't who they say they are.

On a side note, I would prefer if we could keep the discussion within the threat, so that more people could participate. I do appreciate your message though. =) "

Again, I basically ended up repeating what I've said before in the thread, because I feel like those questions have already been answered...

Thank you for sharing Tyrion.

Peace,

You do realize that your "remarks" can be applied to any group. Palestinians can use it against Israelis, anti-Islamists can use it again Muslims and the same applies to any contra-groups... Simply replace the word Taliban. =) Palestinians have pictures and videos of Israelis hurting children, anti-Islamists have pictures and videos of Muslims crying and each group has quite impressive arguments. Now you tell me why these shouldn't be believed?


Even though I don't know if that rule is true, I didn't and won't deny and refute it. That is why I said that many other countries too ban certain movies, books etc. I agree with you that they don't have a right to control people's life in such a way. However, we're not in the position to judge which electricity can and can't a country ban? This goes to social philosophy, which I prefer not to delve into unless you insist on writing me an essay ..


Not at all. I'll start a discussion with him privately bi 'ithnil-Laah (By Allah's leave).

The remarks can be applied to many groups, but again, this thread is about the taliban in Afghanistan. I think we can judge people who feel they have the right to stop others watching television. It's tyranny and part of a wider issue of control, not just about electricity, if you fancied writing an essay I would read it .

 

[Asiyah3]

The remarks can be applied to many groups, but again, this thread is about the taliban in Afghanistan.

Indeed, which is why your pictures are irrelevant..

I think we can judge people who feel they have the right to stop others watching television.

What you think is inconsequential.

It's tyranny and part of a wider issue of control, not just about electricity, if you fancied writing an essay I would read it .

I'm afraid your reading comprehension will screw you over.

This goes to social philosophy, which I prefer not to delve into unless you insist on writing me an essay ..

 

[CosmicPathos]

Tyrion has provided no evidence but just make-believe mythological statements uttered by Afghani refs who immigrated to the West especially Canada by convincing the Canadian government via exagerrating the "tyranny" of Talibs. These people are now living off Western government's money and benefits for the last few years. I've seen 5 Afghani refugee families eating off the Canadian government because the men in the families do not want to work. Free money in a free world eh. You want me to believe what these kind of people have to say who are not hesitant to lie to the government and to eat haraam?


Regardless, whatever Tyrion has said, I could very well get the same information from Fox News. No difference.

And then lauraS gets all lollipopped and happy jolly like a small blonde girl with two ponytails as if the mysteries of Charlie's chocolate factory have been unveiled to her and to her alone.

 

[Asiyah3]

Tyrion has provided no evidence but just make-believe mythological statements uttered by Afghani refs who immigrated to the West especially Canada by convincing the Canadian government via exagerrating the "tyranny" of Talibs. These people are now living off Western government's money and benefits for the last few years. I've seen 5 Afghani refugee families eating off the Canadian government because the men in the families do not want to work. Free money in a free world eh. You want me to believe what these kind of people have to say who are not hesitant to lie to the government?


Regardless, whatever Tyrion has said, I could very well hear get the same information from Fox News. No difference.

Indeed, I could as well come here and tell as an Iraqi how the Americans rape women and abuse children in Iraq. =)

In addition, funnily enough I'm haven't grown up in the land of the invaders.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Indeed, I could as well come here and tell as an Iraqi how the Americans rape women and abuse children in Iraq. =)

Well, couple of soldiers from the US army have been put on trial. So I would not need to listen to your story to realize that US soldiers did rape ppl in Iraq. There are as many stories as there are mouths. It's all about evidence.

I'd never blindly believe what a human has to tell me except from Prophet. I wish I could trust members from my species but I'd trust a dog (a faithful animal) more than a human being. I am talking about trust, not about inherent value of human life. So before anyone even tries to call me "shallow," read carefully what I wrote.

 

[Asiyah3]

Well, couple of soldiers from the US army have been put on trial. So I would not need to listen to your story to realize that US soldiers did rape ppl in Iraq. There are as many stories as there are mouths.

I'd never blindly believe what a human has to tell me.

I've also heard such. I also meant that I could as well tell my and my family's personal experience and their troops' atrocities. I suppose the difference would be that I'm not an in America grown up Iraqi writer and since I really live in Iraq (though at the moment I live in Finland) and meet local people daily, I wouldn't just represent the very minority that support our puppet unjust government, whom thanks to hundreds die and more than thousands God knows how many live on streets unfortunately, for their own profit.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I've also heard such. I also meant that I could as well tell my and my family's personal experience and their troops' atrocities. I suppose the difference would be that I'm not an in America grown up Iraqi writer and since I really live in Iraq (though at the moment I live in Finland) and meet local people daily, I wouldn't just represent the very minority that support our puppet unjust government, whom thanks to hundreds die and more than thousands God knows how many live on streets unfortunately, for their own profit.

precisely the reason that human species is not to be trusted except God's messengers.

 

[Asiyah3]

precisely the reason that human species is not to be trusted except God's messengers.

Heh, but no worries to mrs. Laura, =) who'd be more than happy to listen to one or two comfortably abroad dwellers, who have no problem representing the majority who's young daughters go to school... only to find dead bodies lying in the floor in the middle of the paces they take.

 

[Muslimeen]

I must take this opportunity to thank all brothers and sisters in Islam to defend their muslim bretheren in Afghanistan. Since the beginning of time the plot of the Kuffar was to divide and rule, for as long as we are united they stand no dog chance of defeating us. Our disunity is their greatest weapon against us. As for the all the shock horror stories being depicted about the taliban, I say it's all hogwash...
The only people who did not want to live under taliban rule where those who followed their whims and fancies. So what if they banned television, music or pornography. It was their country, they fought for it with their blood and are doing it again. Nobody forces the united states to ban pornography, television or prostitution. It is their country they are free to as they please, so why must the muslim world be made to adhere to the moral standards and code of conduct of the west. In muslim lands we will govern by the law of Allah, even if the west detests it. It is the obligation of a muslim leadership to preserve the morality of it's people. The taliban were not, are not and will never be a brute nation as described by the western media and people who follow their whims and desires. Allah never helps the oppressor, where as the taliban have the help of allah on their side, why else would the so called "Super Power" of our time struggle to defeat them? Nine years on and they are taking a hiding they can't believe. I am just waiting to see their excuse when they finally give up and decide to leave Afghanistan. It will probably be something like, The taliban have reformed, or were never the enemy, It was Al-Qaida whom we were after now they have all been terminated etc. etc.....

 

[aadil77]

I am just waiting to see their excuse when they finally give up and decide to leave Afghanistan. It will probably be something like, The taliban have reformed, or were never the enemy, It was Al-Qaida whom we were after now they have all been terminated etc. etc.....

exactly, I bet they'll make friends with the taliban again and blame it all on the al-qaeda that never existed

everytime they get forced out of a certain area they say it was part of 'strategy'