Truth about the Taliban

[aadil77]

No one said they're saints, but I can't see how conditions would be so bad that they'd have to leave the country. It could be due to the economic situation there, if you listen to that interview of the taliban envoy he said that because of UN sanctions on afghanistan the country was in a mess - he kept on repeating they need foreign aid and help

 

[CosmicPathos]

Aneeza, I see that you have chosen to avoid replying to the truth that I portrayed in the last comment of mine.

Now you are attacking taliban as "no education system" in Afghanistan and they are "not saints." We never claimed they are saints. Ooh yea, what kind of education system is in Pakistan? Do you know that whatever education is in Pakistan (secular education), it is due to efforts of liberal, atheist, or modernistic Pakistanis? How much role religious Muslim Pakistanis have played in gaining mental superiority over the atheist, liberal and kaafir Pakistanis? There should be no place for kaafir people to live in Pakistan who are against Islam. I reckon Pakistan means "place for the pure people." By allowing kaafirs to live in your country, are you Pakistani Muslims somehow indirectly saying that kaafirs are pure too?

 

[CosmicPathos]

From the autobiography of an Afghan woman I'm reading here are some other things that may interest you:

Hindu women were made to wear yellow burqas a colour that is associated in Afghanistan with hatred.

Women were not even allowed to show so much as their hands.

During Ramadan women were not even allowed to leave their houses.

The taliban used to take young women forceably from their homes to marry their soldiers, they would rape women.

Kite flying, very popular in Afghanistan at one point I understand was banned, along with television and music that wasn't relreligious. Women were not allowed on radio.

Women were beaten for laughing to loudly, it was thought of as being provocative.

Yes education was banned for women, but not the protect them, they thought it was the gateway to hell for women.

Women were not to be seen by male doctors, yet banning education meant women could not study to become doctors. The taliban would beat patients in hospitals for transgressing any laws. Here is a passage from the book with the writer saw someone who had tried to kill herself:

"she told me that her mother suffered from asthma and had gone to hospital for treatment. Soon after reaching the hospital, she had suffered an asthma attack and had taken off her burqa as she fought for breath inthe ward. A Taliban had burst into the ward and given her mother forty lashes while the daughter watched, helpless to intervene. The nurses had done nothing to stop the beating. The daughter, who was twenty years old, explained why she had wanted to commit suicide: 'If I can't even help my mother when she is sick, then what is the good of living?' "

Don't just say she is a feminist or whatever, there is photographic evidence out there of things described in her book and RAWA are helped by men. You can't say laws didn't really exist and were being made up to make the Taliban look bad. Remember what was said by the poster further down with family from Afghanistan.

I keep coming back to this point again and again cuz I am getting hysterical on your ignorance, you little illiterate woman.

Kite flying is even more popular in Punjab than it is among Afghanis. Do you even know that?

You are passing comments with no knowledge of local niche and cultures.

Kiteflying kills hundreds of kids every year. Only if your son had died while he was flying kites then I would see if you had the courage to argue for the positive case of allowing kite flying.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Are you suggesting Pakistan caters for kaafirs living there? I beg to differ.


Does anyone know if Taliban in Pakistani claimed responsibility for the attacks? If they haven’t, we shouldn’t make the assumption they did.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Are you suggesting Pakistan caters for kaafirs living there? I beg to differ.


Does anyone know if Taliban in Pakistani claimed responsibility for the attacks? If they haven’t, we shouldn’t make the assumption they did.

what do you mean by that?

 

[LauraS]

I keep coming back to this point again and again cuz I am getting hysterical on your ignorance, you little illiterate woman.

Kite flying is even more popular in Punjab than it is among Afghanis. Do you even know that?

You are passing comments with no knowledge of local niche and cultures.

Kiteflying kills hundreds of kids every year. Only if your son had died while he was flying kites then I would see if you had the courage to argue for the positive case of allowing kite flying.

You little illiterate woman? What the hell? lol!

The kite flying was just one in a much longer list and I only mentioned it once so there's no need to get hysterical, little man. There are many more important issues than kite flying like beating people in the streets for owning a television, for having a hairstyle similar to Leonardo DiCaprio when Titanic was popular or for not even covering your hands if you are a woman. If all the restrictions are actually for the good of women why do they react so violently if their pathetic little rules aren't followed? I suggest you start listening to the people of Afghanistan and not to their own excuses.

 

[Muslimeen]

I am sure you have heard or read these allegations all in the western media. Don't believe everything you read. The taliban ruled according to sharia law, which is much more humane than any other law. You should read or listen to Yvonne Ridley's "From Captive to Convert".

 

[Muslimeen]

No one said they're saints, but I can't see how conditions would be so bad that they'd have to leave the country. It could be due to the economic situation there, if you listen to that interview of the taliban envoy he said that because of UN sanctions on afghanistan the country was in a mess - he kept on repeating they need foreign aid and help

Whether they are saints or not, Allah knows best. All I can say is they are the only MEN amongst the muslim ummah who have taken the courage to stand up against the American barbarians. It reminds me of the time of Sahaba when they remained firm in the face of adversity even though the entire world was against them. The position of the taliban is somewhat similar, remeber the infamous words "Either you are with us or against us". The entire world bent down to kiss their behinds besides the taliban. May allah grant them victory. Ameen

 

[Muslimeen]

I don't know, they must be helping fellow afghans too. We can't say they're not in need of money

But heres proof that arabs are funding them, its a pity all arab govt are puppets states, we cannot even support the jihad of our brothers without being arrested by muslims, the whole muslim world is a sellout and kaffir bootlickers. How were they funding terrorism? May Allah deal justly with the traitors of the ummah

I totally agree. Islam has been harmed more by traitors than the kuffaar. That is why Allah swt has destined for the them the deepest pits of jahannam. No matter what anyone tells you, I believe the taliban are on haqq (Truth). Why else would the entire kaffir world transpire to eradicate them, the same way they tried to eradicate Allah's Rasool Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam and his sahaba.

 

[Zafran]

salaam

No offence if the taliban are on haq then what do you say about there "rules" and do you agree with how they implement them - by violence.

peace

 

[Zafran]

I suggest you start listening to the people of Afghanistan and not to their own excuses.

Why - the US and Nato governments dont care about the afghans - they are willing to give afghanistan a corrupt leader called Karzai - last time he rigged an election.

 

[LauraS]

I am sure you have heard or read these allegations all in the western media. Don't believe everything you read. The taliban ruled according to sharia law, which is much more humane than any other law. You should read or listen to Yvonne Ridley's "From Captive to Convert".

They weren't from western media they were from the autobiography of an Afghan woman. The taliban's version of Sharia is anything but humane, publicly chopping off people's limbs and giving them to children to display? Beating peopple in the streets for minor offences or basically nothing?

 

[Asiyah3]

Peace LauraS,

I can likewise find you autographies of evidently oppressed Western women. Similarly, I can find you autographies and documents where Latin American women (and same goes for other places) cry and are treated as rubbish. And my source is going to be alot more reliable than some feminist's accusations and anxiety that she throws on the Taliban. The things you mentioned are indeed brutal and barbaric, and which all of us strongly condemn and oppose. However, I am open to see clear proof that the Afghan Talibans do all those in the lady's list.

 

[Supreme]

Peace LauraS,

I can likewise find you autographies of evidently oppressed Western women. Similarly, I can find you autographies and documents where Latin American women (and same goes for other places) cry and are treated as rubbish. And my source is going to be alot more reliable than some feminist's accusations and anxiety that she throws on the Taliban. The things you mentioned are indeed brutal and barbaric, and which all of us strongly condemn and oppose. However, I am open to see clear proof that the Afghan Talibans do all those in the lady's list.

I find this argument silly at best. So what if every Western woman was oppressed? How is that a justification for the Taliban doing what they did to women? Two wrongs don't make a right; if you see oppression of women in another part of the world, is it right to then oppress your women and, in defense, say other women are being oppressed?

 

[Asiyah3]

I find this argument silly at best. So what if every Western woman was oppressed? How is that a justification for the Taliban doing what they did to women? Two wrongs don't make a right; if you see oppression of women in another part of the world, is it right to then oppress your women and, in defense, say other women are being oppressed?

Peace Supreme,
You misunderstood me greatly. Please re-read my post and don't put words in my mouth:

The things you mentioned are indeed brutal and barbaric, and which all of us strongly condemn and oppose.

 

[Tyrion]

Peace LauraS,

I can likewise find you autographies of evidently oppressed Western women. Similarly, I can find you autographies and documents where Latin American women (and same goes for other places) cry and are treated as rubbish. And my source is going to be alot more reliable than some feminist's accusations and anxiety that she throws on the Taliban. The things you mentioned are indeed brutal and barbaric, and which all of us strongly condemn and oppose. However, I am open to see clear proof that the Afghan Talibans do all those in the lady's list.

Are the reports of the Afghan people not clear enough?


I just don't understand the logic here... We've got people who have never met or lived with the Taliban trying to defend them, all while rejecting the opinions of those who have actually dealt with them...

 

[Asiyah3]

Are the reports of the Afghan people not clear enough?


I just don't understand the logic here... We've got people who have never met or lived with the Taliban trying to defend them, all while rejecting the opinions of those who have actually dealt with them...

Exactly! And apparently you are one of them. =)

 

[LauraS]

Peace LauraS,

I can likewise find you autographies of evidently oppressed Western women. Similarly, I can find you autographies and documents where Latin American women (and same goes for other places) cry and are treated as rubbish. And my source is going to be alot more reliable than some feminist's accusations and anxiety that she throws on the Taliban. The things you mentioned are indeed brutal and barbaric, and which all of us strongly condemn and oppose. However, I am open to see clear proof that the Afghan Talibans do all those in the lady's list.

There may be women who are treated badly in the west, but this thread is about the taliban, and in most western countries there are not laws oppressing women. Here is a photo of a child holding severed limbs: http://www.rawa.org/handcut3.htm Here's a public hanging: http://www.rawa.org/2hang.htm Here are pictures taen just after a massacre carried out by the taliban: http://www.rawa.org/yakw-hrw.htm (warning there's some horrible ones there)

Also about the board member who posted on the other thread about the taliban who said his friends and family are from Afghanistan and speak of the barbarity of the taliban? Why just because a woman writes about how the women of Afghanistan have been oppressed she must just be a feminist? Perhaps you should look her book up, it's "Zoya's Story", it also tells the story of many other men and women oppressed in Afghanistan, many of the stories such as the taliban's absurd dislike and ban of television and the film Titanic I have read elsewhere.

 

[Supreme]

Peace Supreme,
You misunderstood me greatly. Please re-read my post and don't put words in my mouth:

Oh. In that case, I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Are the reports of the Afghan people not clear enough?


I just don't understand the logic here... We've got people who have never met or lived with the Taliban trying to defend them, all while rejecting the opinions of those who have actually dealt with them...

Apparantly the words of Afghans who have escaped the Taliban aren't enough. Adil previously said that there are some 'liberal' Afghans who dislike the Taliban. Hey, if being opposed to unjust killings, the treatment of women like dirt and brutality makes one a liberal Afghan/Muslim, so be it.

 

[Asiyah3]

There may be women who are treated badly in the west, but this thread is about the taliban, and in most western countries there are not laws oppressing women. Here is a photo of a child holding severed limbs: http://www.rawa.org/handcut3.htm Here's a public hanging: http://www.rawa.org/2hang.htm Here are pictures taen just after a massacre carried out by the taliban: http://www.rawa.org/yakw-hrw.htm (warning there's some horrible ones there)

Also about the board member who posted on the other thread about the taliban who said his friends and family are from Afghanistan and speak of the barbarity of the taliban? Why just because a woman writes about how the women of Afghanistan have been oppressed she must just be a feminist? Perhaps you should look her book up, it's "Zoya's Story", it also tells the story of many other men and women oppressed in Afghanistan, many of the stories such as the taliban's absurd dislike and ban of television and the film Titanic I have read elsewhere.

Peace LauraS,

You want me to show you the post of a western woman on the other thread on women's abuse as sexual objects in the West? Trust me, I can think of much worse sickening stories.

I can likewise bring you videos from p*** stars and strippers to models and business women that show the utterly brutal treatment these women get. As for those pics, I am well-aware how 'anti-Taliban' that website is. Anyhow, you're absolutely right this thread is about the Taliban therefore I am still open for clear proof of that the Afghan Taliban commit all those in the lady's list.

As for banning television/movies I can find you numerous countries including western that too ban or have banned certain movies or or books. Are you in a position to judge how a country / nation should pose their laws on television or other electricity and which movies/books they should allow ? I doubt or will you next start judging what movies and series TV channels aren't allowed to ban.. Now let's not derail our discussion from women's treatment to less significant matters.