Truth about the Taliban

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mad_scientist said:
God, enough of emotional blackmailing. That list provides the numbers of people killed. Its sad, really. But where is the evidence that Taliban KILLED those people? Using the Western media to propagate agaisnt Taliban? Isnt it the West that you guys are against? Ooh wait, you guys have full access to Western TV in Pakistan and quite enjoy Western TV series. Not to mention your music. Ooh yea, Sufi Rock eh.

How many innocent people Pakistani army killed? How many innocent people MQM killed? How many innocent people Musharraf killed? You seem to be out of your senses, sister.
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where is the prove taliban didnt do this brother??

we can sit here and argue until we are blue in the face. how can a person who lives in the west possibly know anything?

IRA also claimed they were so called freedom fighters but they killed there own people too.
 
I'm Afghan (American), and from what I've heard from my parents and family, the Taliban in Afghanistan have done nothing but oppress and mistreat the people, and I've heard nothing but stories of murder and injustice. I'm not sure what they're like now, but the experience my family seems to have had with them years back doesn't seem to suggest that they followed Islamic teachings. To me, it just sounds like they hide behind the banner of Islam while they do what they please.
 
I don't understand why aadil has to perpetuate this ridiculous support for the Taliban. Anyone else here think fighting off invading armies is not sufficient to give them any right to run a country? Seriously, does any supporter of the Taliban actually think they had the brains to run a country? They fell short on their (islamic) duty of producing enough educated people to like...you know , save the country from starvation and things like that. Must be the same mentality weirdos have thinking if they have 8 kids God will provide food from the sky for them.
 
Lynx said:
I don't understand why aadil has to perpetuate this ridiculous support for the Taliban. Anyone else here think fighting off invading armies is not sufficient to give them any right to run a country?
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LOL at the moment it is sufficient, atleast it will guarantee people security and freedom from a corrupted drug dealing puppet govt
 
May Allah(swt) protect Afghanis from danger, assist them in seeking a better future. May Allah (swt) make the truth clearer and protect us from those who are trying to harm us. Ameen
 
I think we should leave this argument alone now. None of us will ever know what they stand for or what they are truly fighting for. We do not have such knowledge about them to give our full support. So I still don’t get how people can give their full support without knowing their full circumstances !?!

The best we can do is pray for those that are fighting for Islam (whether it is the Taliban or not) and give assistance to those that need our help (either go there and help the people or send clothes, food and money).
 
sweet106 said:
I think we should leave this argument alone now. None of us will ever know what they stand for or what they are truly fighting for. We do not have such knowledge about them to give our full support. So I still don’t get how people can give their full support without knowing their full circumstances !?!

The best we can do is pray for those that are fighting for Islam (whether it is the Taliban or not) and give assistance to those that need our help (either go there and help the people or send clothes, food and money).
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Arab businessmen are paying millions to the taliban, I'm sure they know they know what they're fighting for
 
Tyrion said:
I'm Afghan (American), and from what I've heard from my parents and family, the Taliban in Afghanistan have done nothing but oppress and mistreat the people, and I've heard nothing but stories of murder and injustice. I'm not sure what they're like now, but the experience my family seems to have had with them years back doesn't seem to suggest that they followed Islamic teachings. To me, it just sounds like they hide behind the banner of Islam while they do what they please.
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Unfortunately, the opinion of people from Afghanistan who dislike the taliban tends to be brushed over in these arguments....
 
Can someone tell me ... why did the Nato soldiers came to afghanistan, was it to have a 'so called' war with Taliban or Al-qaeda or both. I know Taliban used to fight with the russians because of the invasion and the genocide of Russia towards afghanistani.
 
aadil77 said:
Arab businessmen are paying millions to the taliban, I'm sure they know they know what they're fighting for
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Yet nearly all of their weapons are American made. What do the Taliban do with these millions paid to them by Arab Businessmen? That makes me wonder now as to just where that money is going. It does not seem to be going for weapons as there is still a very large amount that was left by the Americans when the Taliban were fighting the Russians along with huge storage piles of Russian weapons that were captured.
 
aadil77 said:
LOL at the moment it is sufficient, atleast it will guarantee people security and freedom from a corrupted drug dealing puppet govt
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How can anyone be free under Taliban control? Is your definition of Freedom 'to be able to do less and seek less opportunities?"

And security isn't going to bring food on the table. Anyone with a rational brain can see why the taliban are the last group of people to be put in power. It's lunacy! It boggles my mind that someone can sit there and look at the taliban and be like 'okay, these guys can run the country'. Come on, use your brain, despite whatever hatred you have towards NATO, and stop saying ridiculous things.
 
Lynx said:
How can anyone be free under Taliban control? Is your definition of Freedom 'to be able to do less and seek less opportunities?"

And security isn't going to bring food on the table. Anyone with a rational brain can see why the taliban are the last group of people to be put in power. It's lunacy! It boggles my mind that someone can sit there and look at the taliban and be like 'okay, these guys can run the country'. Come on, use your brain, despite whatever hatred you have towards NATO, and stop saying ridiculous things.
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security keeps them alive better than being dead because of western hatred and greed
 
Woodrow said:
Yet nearly all of their weapons are American made. What do the Taliban do with these millions paid to them by Arab Businessmen? That makes me wonder now as to just where that money is going. It does not seem to be going for weapons as there is still a very large amount that was left by the Americans when the Taliban were fighting the Russians along with huge storage piles of Russian weapons that were captured.
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America made weapons? I didn't know that I thought all their weapons were either russian or hand built replica's

Western sources state the taliban are paying fighters more than the ANA get paid, that might be it?
 
Taliban is not a group. Its a history. Unfortunately many of us don't know it all.And most of us don't have personal experience of meeting/seeing Taliban.

To understand Taliban we need to know history of the Vietnam War and the cold war. We also will have to understand the psycology of an Afghan: they either live freely or prefer dying for freedom. We will also need to know pre occupation (of Russia) era of the Kings of Afghanistan in which there was no differance between Mascow and Kabul (Afghans were also happy living communist lives).

Original Taliban were nothing but students and teachers of Afghan schools gathered/organised by US through Pakistan.(Later many other people from all around the world joined them)

They were used against Russia by US to revange Vietnam war. For this US has given every possible support including weapons (even classified weapons most popular example is Stinger. Taliban had to return the empty catridge of the misal).

Once they broke Russia they were now fully trained for almost every thing.

They tried to establish the state they were told(by US) to fight for. And they were a success. And this was a turning point as US could not stand to an Independant Islamic State specialy when they refused to US dictation for running the show.

In Taliban era for the first time in Afgan history opium cultivation touched the Zero.

Taliban controled areas had zero crime rate as justice was very easy and instant.

They literaly estabished Khilpha and they were firm on rules.There were no law and order problem in the country a common man was safe and sound unless he had commited any unislamic deed.

I personally know many Afghanis who always pray for Taliban's era. Even there was hunger in that era but that were the most peaceful years Afghans has ever seen in last twenty years.

Today Afghanistan's streets are flooded with dollars but even Afghan President is not safe outside presidential Palace.

Talibans are now also divided. Some of them have come back to Pakistan and has started their own BUSINESS: kidnape a businesman and receive heavey amounts of money in no longer than ten days.


I believe Afghans be left free to decide who they want to live with Taliban or Imported democrecy being imposed by the world's biggest contarctor of the democrecy - the US.
 
aadil77 said:
America made weapons? I didn't know that I thought all their weapons were either russian or hand built replica's

Western sources state the taliban are paying fighters more than the ANA get paid, that might be it?
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For Starters,



Now if the taliban are paying fighters more than what the ANA pays, are they fighting for Allaah(swt) or are they mercenaries fighting for profit? Would they still fight if the Taliban stopped paying them? Who will they side with if the USA offers them more than what they get from the Taliban? How do they differ from the Blackwater mercenaries?
 
Woodrow said:
For Starters,



Now if the taliban are paying fighters more than what the ANA pays, are they fighting for Allaah(swt) or are they mercenaries fighting for profit? Would they still fight if the Taliban stopped paying them? Who will they side with if the USA offers them more than what they get from the Taliban? How do they differ from the Blackwater mercenaries?
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Those weapons are recently seized weapons, they're from captured FOB's, not a huge stockpile, the average FOB has about that many artilery shells

News articles state that the taliban are paying $500 a month to fighters, they also get paid for every soldier they kill, capture, every vehicle they destroy, every weapon they seize

now how do we know if any of this is true, I seriously doubt they could pay that much, but even if they are getting paid wages who are we to judge their intentions? Do their actions not speak louder? They all have families they have to support, when they die the money will probably be there to support their families

blackwater terrorists will do anything for money, even blow up schools and masjids
 
However the most commonly used weapon by the taliban are IED's (Improvised Explosive Devices) These are low cost explosives made from common household items. Very low cost. They are the weapon that has caused the most casualties among the NATO forces. But they are not a major expense and nearly any high school student can afford to make them. The most expensive IED probably cost only a couple of dollars at most and most likely can be made for free from abandoned household goods.
 
^yep but their guns are mostly russian or replicas, they very rarely manage to seize american guns
 
aadil77 said:
Those weapons are recently seized weapons, they're from captured FOB's, not a huge stockpile, the average FOB has about that many artilery shells

News articles state that the taliban are paying $500 a month to fighters, they also get paid for every soldier they kill, capture, every vehicle they destroy, every weapon they seize

now how do we know if any of this is true, I seriously doubt they could pay that much, but even if they are getting paid wages who are we to judge their intentions? Do their actions not speak louder? They all have families they have to support, when they die the money will probably be there to support their families

blackwater terrorists will do anything for money, even blow up schools and masjids
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Yes the weapons are seized. But there are many bunkers of abandoned weapons left by Americans and Russians. Weapons are not a major expense. There are at least 1,000, 000 Russian land mines scattered all over Afghanistan that when found can be used. Weapons are not a major expense. There are many bunkers full of American weapons abandoned when the Russians were defeated and were not seen to be of any further use by the then American backed Taliban.

Soldiers that fight for money are seldom trust worthy soldiers no matter how badly they need the money.
 

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