My intentions

[FS123]

People don't make it personal and personal attacks.

 

[Snowflake]

so your sinless and your not a sinner - I thought the prophets were only sinless in Islam? Your very busy calling others "sinners" and "infidels" but forget about yourself - I'm just showing how self riteous and arrogant you are - its blinded you.

Brother, I don't think sis H-n is being arrogant. She said she did not commit murder/adultry etc and has repented for other sins. Ok, so that doesn't necessarily make one sinless, as only Allah knows if He has forgiven us or He yet has to do that, but that doesn't mean she said it out of arrogance, just misunderstanding. I know I'm in need of this advice more than anyone but I still have to say we should either overlook each others mistakes, or else rectify them in a kind manner.


:wa:

 

[Zafran]

This is most likely for another thread, but rarely has the world been this peaceful in any point in history. The wars you mention are nothing more than skirmishes compared to what is the norm for most of history.

As for global warming and climate change, those are constants. The world has been through ice ages and they will go through other cycles. This is normal, and it is not destroying the planet it is simply changing it.

There have been Muslims claiming the end times were near since nearly its inception. They were wrong during the rise of Islam. They were wrong during the fall of the Ottoman Empire. They were wrong during both WWI and WWII. I don't see how they would be right now when what is going on is far less momentous.

are you serious - do you call the afgahn or Iraq wars skirmishs??? when 100,000 people have died in them - very few wars have produced that many deaths - If thats a skirmish in your eyes I dont know what a war is for you?

They were right that the end of times were near - for those people that lived in the past - they live no more - the next time they wake up its the end of times. Very near indeed for them. Just like it is for us.

The planet will change worse for the humans - Its happening worse know because of our carbon footprint. The next generation are going to have a harsh time if it isnt reduced -

Its nice you ignored the main point though NUKES! which makes our time the most dangerous time in history.

 

[Zafran]

Brother, I don't think sis H-n is being arrogant. She said she did not commit murder/adultry etc and has repented for other sins. Ok, so that doesn't necessarily make one sinless, as only Allah knows if He has forgiven us or He yet has to do that, but that doesn't mean she said it out of arrogance, just misunderstanding. I know I'm in need of this advice more than anyone but I still have to say we should either overlook each others mistakes, or else rectify them in a kind manner.


:wa:

salaam

I'm sure she can answer for herself. As this thread is about her intentions.

peace

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Yes, I have point number 6 in this thread.

you did too excuse my blindness

I am not being rude, I am not standing for people's rubbish lies, they had plenty of time to sort themselves out.

do you think though, that your method in doing so is going to make them realize that their lies are rubbish and that they have time to sort themselves out?
its true when they say honesty is the best policy but people are people and will always think themselves as right (yes even when they are in the wrong) so if we want to advise people, we cant go on the offensive, otherwise (since they think they are right) they will get on the defensive. what would that have achieved? i personally think there are steps to take. like first, be kind and preach with gentleness etc. as long as people are willing to listen and be respectful about it, then kindness should be exercised. trust me, unnecessary sternness is a huge put off and it will go in one ear, out the other.

i only believe harshness should be shown when and towards people who are adamant on remaining stubborn and arrogant despite good attempts to be kind first and who just seem to be looking for a fight. only in a situation like this, harshness should be shown immediately and gentleness with these types of people shouldn't be exercised.

if someone comes along and slanders Islam, and other similar stuff, yes harshness should be exercised and gentleness (imo) should be disregarded in this case.

if someone comes along and is genuinely ignorant, gentleness is a must.

if you are advising/preaching to people, gentleness is a must. if people are not doing anything to deserve being treated harshly, then you shouldn't treat them harshly.

the kaafir doesn't know Allah or doesn't know the quran, so coming up and telling them things in a (seemingly) harsh way about the Last day and all, isnt going to be very affective. for a Muslim (i.e for someone who actually believes in allah) this methid will probably even prove to be detrimental. for a kaafr, the only thing that they will see is you throwing insults. the heart cannot accept insults. as far as the kaafir goes, he doesn't believe in god like we do, and so teaching him anything about matters of the unseen (such as the last day), requires some type of medium that he is familiar with.

im not saying not to preach/advise people, by all means ukhtee, go right ahead. no-one one should stop you from doing this but remember to apply wisdom and know the people who you are addressing and know what will appeal to their hearts. you can tell people "scary" things in a nice way. and yes at some times, harshness maybe necessary. know how to balance.

They blame me for not turning to Islam, when clearly they had already wasted time not learning, then why did they not repent before. Even they are quoting how a Muslim should be, or how the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was, then good, learn from them. They already know how good the Muslims are and were and still do not repent.

whose they?

As explained in another thread anyway, people don't repent because someone is kind to them,

a kind person/personality though may "inspire" and remind people to repent.

they repent because they want Allah to be pleased with them.

but how would they know that they need Allah to be pleased with them if there is no-one kind to remind them? people relate to one another and people turn to Islam because of what others may have said to them. how is speaking harshly with people going to inspire people to repent.

 

[Salahudeen]

Did not Allah subhanahu wata 'ala say in the Qur'an addressing the prophet peace be upon him ( If you had been harsh with them they would have indeed turned away from you, but it is from his mercy that you are soft with them) I think that's the correct translation of the verse I have to look it up. So I'm all for being soft and not shooting people down. As being harsh pushes people away in certain situations.

We have the truth, which is Islam, we just have to learn how to present Islam to people. Learn Fiqh ad dawah. and it's not as if learning fiqh ad dawah is hard knowledge to come by, you can sign up for a free fiqh ad dawah course here and learn how to do dawah properly.

http://www.islamiconlineuniversity....ery&view=category&id=1:free-courses&Itemid=20

the dawah training course is on the right of the page, this is the online uni of Bilal Phillips who studied dawah I think at Medina uni.

also listen to this seminar on fiqh ad dawah by Muhammed Al Shareef, great to learn how to do dawah.

http://www.halaltube.com/fiqh-ad-dawah-guiding-to-allah-by-the-book

And if you wanna know the teaching methods of the prophet pbuh go here http://www.kalamullah.com/muhammad-alshareef.html


and scroll down to the lecture The Teaching Methods Of Muhammad

 

[Snowflake]

salaam

I'm sure she can answer for herself. As this thread is about her intentions.

peace

No, because it seems our sis didn't know that. May Allah forgive us all. Ameen

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

As for global warming and climate change, those are constants. The world has been through ice ages and they will go through other cycles. This is normal, and it is not destroying the planet it is simply changing it.

You are few non Muslim who actually believe global warming at its current rate is normal and natural. There was a programme I did watch on BBC examining the debate on global warming (both sides): whether it is happening? Is it man made? And at what rate it was happening?

The first two questions were answered. Global warming was never an issue before the media made a fuss but because the two question above were never answered. It has been answered and was proven and agreed amongst most scientists. Now they are debating on the rate of global warming whether it may be 100, 1000 etc years time or 50 years time. I can’t remember the programme name and once I figure what the name is, I will post it for you.

 

[cat eyes]

no one can be like the prophet (saw) but we can try inshallah since no one is perfect. we all have our own personalities and traits

btw theres lot of muslim members here who are overly harsh with non muslims so i don't like the fact we are all ganging up on the sister like this. its not right:hmm:

i think her threads are of great benefit here to muslims and id hate to see her get banned because so many argue with her.

agree with sister ummu safyaan..mashallah good points you made.

 

[Snowflake]

Anyway, I just want to add something.. we shouldn't diss anyone because to us they seem to come across as being a bit hard. That person may well care more for your akhirah than you think. Why can't we can't bear being told something a bit sternly for our own good? There is no nice way of telling someone that if they don't pray they are classed as disbelievers. But that is true isn't it? Is there a sweet way of saying that? The best I can think of is, 'Did you know the person who doesn't pray is classed as a disbeliever?' That will still make people think you're calling them a disbeliever. Very few people have the stomach to bear the truth and appreciate it's value. Harshness is if someone said, 'How can you call yourself a muslim when you don't pray, man you're so going to Hell boom boom!' Now THAT is rude and arrogant.

We shouldn't tell a well meaning sis/bro they are being harsh without thinking what their intentions are and really looking to see if they really are being harsh or just truthful. I swear by Allah, I feel it in my bones that many of us will wish our brothers and sisters had been harder in their reminders to us. Everyone agrees that no one is perfect. Then why pick at little faults and turn them into huge issues? By doing that all we do is prove that we aren't perfect either. if we feel ashamed due to someone reminding us our faults, then the chances are we have something to be ashamed about. Why not dwell on our own shortcomings instead of hitting back at the one reminding us. Isn't that one occassion we should have sabr? Sabr isn't just waiting to open your fast. It's in all circumstances. Bearing someone's faults with patience and making dua for them is the best thing we can do. I'm telling that to myself as much as to anyone else. Cuz I shoot my mouth of too sometimes. So I'm reminding myself more than anyone else. That's why it came out of my head cuz I remember I've done it too.



:wa:

 

[titus]

are you serious - do you call the afgahn or Iraq wars skirmishs??? when 100,000 people have died in them - very few wars have produced that many deaths - If thats a skirmish in your eyes I dont know what a war is for you?

100,000 people is very little compared to wars of the past. Barely a blip on the radar.

When Muslims rebelled in China in the 1800's the death toll was near 1,000,000 (Panthay Rebellion)

In the Iran-Irag war the death toll was over 1,000,0000 (1980's)

Other wars where the death toll was in the millions:

Vietnam War
Crusades
Thirty Years War
American Civil War
Russian Civil War
WWI
WWII
and the list goes on and on and on, with the World Wars having a death toll over 100x as much as Afghanistan and Iraq together.

So yes, in comparison they are skirmishes and not signs of the end of times.

The planet will change worse for the humans - Its happening worse know because of our carbon footprint. The next generation are going to have a harsh time if it isnt reduced -

A harsh time how? Some scientists claim that global warming may actually increase the amount of farmable land in the world.

As for nukes they have been around for over 60 years now and still no end of times.

If you want to continue this discussion then please start a new thread and I will gladly discuss my views on the subject. If we continue then h-n will finally be accurate when she accuses me of derailing a thread.

we shouldn't diss anyone because to us they seem to come across as being a bit hard.

I wouldn't call telling all Muslims they should hate all non-Muslims "being a bit hard". It is much worse than that.

A Muslim teaching that one should hate all non-Muslims is no better than the person teaching that everyone should hate Muslims.

Hatred and bigotry is still hatred and bigotry no matter how you paint it and try to make it look pretty.

 

[h-n]

so your sinless and your not a sinner - I thought the prophets were only sinless in Islam? Your very busy calling others "sinners" and "infidels" but forget about yourself - I'm just showing how self riteous and arrogant you are - its blinded you.

What's blinded you is your own hate. no wonder your talking as an infidel. if you really were so bothered about Islam, you would have simply read threads. Not be critical of me personally. Which I'm not going to change how I am.

I'm not a sinner, a person in Paradise is not going to call themselves a Sinner.

When a person remembers Allah, that is a good thing, a blessing from Allah. Allah has said the Quran is for believing Men and women. Everytime we pray we are not going to call ourselves as sinners.

Allah would not like us to call ourselves evil people, has he not already shown the he seperates the good from the evil. Even allowing Muslims to fight against evil people. So what is the use of us calling ourselves one of them.

 

[h-n]

I get where you're coming from h-n. I do think being too soft just defeats the purpose as people then don't feel they are that bad and don't change their ways. The ummah is sleeping and you're right, when the time comes everyone will be suddenly doing what should've been done a long time ago. I can recall a few hadith where, when the Prophet (saw) reprimanded someone, despite his gentleness, he did so in a stern manner. I think that is what you are doing - and all for a good reason mashaAllah. We are all sinners no one is sin free. That is all the more reason we all have to call each other to the good and help to avoid evil.

Prophet – صلى الله عليه و سلم – said: “None of you will truly believe until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”

Thank-you. I do want what's best for other Muslims that is why I'm sharing what I understand.

 

[h-n]

you did too excuse my blindness



do you think though, that your method in doing so is going to make them realize that their lies are rubbish and that they have time to sort themselves out?
its true when they say honesty is the best policy but people are people and will always think themselves as right (yes even when they are in the wrong) so if we want to advise people, we cant go on the offensive, otherwise (since they think they are right) they will get on the defensive. what would that have achieved? i personally think there are steps to take. like first, be kind and preach with gentleness etc. as long as people are willing to listen and be respectful about it, then kindness should be exercised. trust me, unnecessary sternness is a huge put off and it will go in one ear, out the other.

i only believe harshness should be shown when and towards people who are adamant on remaining stubborn and arrogant despite good attempts to be kind first and who just seem to be looking for a fight. only in a situation like this, harshness should be shown immediately and gentleness with these types of people shouldn't be exercised.

if someone comes along and slanders Islam, and other similar stuff, yes harshness should be exercised and gentleness (imo) should be disregarded in this case.

if someone comes along and is genuinely ignorant, gentleness is a must.

if you are advising/preaching to people, gentleness is a must. if people are not doing anything to deserve being treated harshly, then you shouldn't treat them harshly.

the kaafir doesn't know Allah or doesn't know the quran, so coming up and telling them things in a (seemingly) harsh way about the Last day and all, isnt going to be very affective. for a Muslim (i.e for someone who actually believes in allah) this methid will probably even prove to be detrimental. for a kaafr, the only thing that they will see is you throwing insults. the heart cannot accept insults. as far as the kaafir goes, he doesn't believe in god like we do, and so teaching him anything about matters of the unseen (such as the last day), requires some type of medium that he is familiar with.

im not saying not to preach/advise people, by all means ukhtee, go right ahead. no-one one should stop you from doing this but remember to apply wisdom and know the people who you are addressing and know what will appeal to their hearts. you can tell people "scary" things in a nice way. and yes at some times, harshness maybe necessary. know how to balance.


whose they?


a kind person/personality though may "inspire" and remind people to repent.


but how would they know that they need Allah to be pleased with them if there is no-one kind to remind them? people relate to one another and people turn to Islam because of what others may have said to them. how is speaking harshly with people going to inspire people to repent.

As explained in the "Collapse of these countries", we are not starting from the beginning of teaching about Islam. We are finishing. Plus I have every confidence in the non-Muslims having a fair test as Allah is Just, he provides a fair test and he is Merciful and Compassionate. They cannot complain that they did not understand what I have written.

Also why did they not repent this year? In 2009, in 2008, in 2007, in 2006, in 2005 etc? So they have had plenty of time. I have already stated, its a good job I am writing this now, because they would be complaining that I am introducing Islam when all I'm doing is summary of issues. To help the Muslims be strong in Islam. That is why I have come on a Muslims website. You only say this approach is the last resort (when I am not actively giving Dawah), well to me it is, as there countries don't have long, they are not going to continue. Too many Muslims are treating people like if they don't know what is required of them, yes they do know that Allah exists. Again just remember that Allah has taken many souls last week, the month before, year before, maybe they were going out to nightclubs, maybe into drugs but they all received a fair test.

There have been non-Muslims and even Muslims saying that I am turning people away from Islam, and this is not true.

They have already heard about Allah, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. People are underestimating what Allah has already provided them with, there have even been many people who have died without reading the Quran, and even talking to a Muslim but they have received a fair test, as they have heard that there is one God, Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

 

[h-n]

People don't make it personal and personal attacks.

i agree, it shouldn't be, even people aren't discussing Islam. Just how I am, how is this going to help them face the Dajjal etc?
It will not.

 

[h-n]

Did not Allah subhanahu wata 'ala say in the Qur'an addressing the prophet peace be upon him ( If you had been harsh with them they would have indeed turned away from you, but it is from his mercy that you are soft with them) I think that's the correct translation of the verse I have to look it up. So I'm all for being soft and not shooting people down. As being harsh pushes people away in certain situations.

We have the truth, which is Islam, we just have to learn how to present Islam to people. Learn Fiqh ad dawah. and it's not as if learning fiqh ad dawah is hard knowledge to come by, you can sign up for a free fiqh ad dawah course here and learn how to do dawah properly.

http://www.islamiconlineuniversity....ery&view=category&id=1:free-courses&Itemid=20

the dawah training course is on the right of the page, this is the online uni of Bilal Phillips who studied dawah I think at Medina uni.

also listen to this seminar on fiqh ad dawah by Muhammed Al Shareef, great to learn how to do dawah.

http://www.halaltube.com/fiqh-ad-dawah-guiding-to-allah-by-the-book

And if you wanna know the teaching methods of the prophet pbuh go here http://www.kalamullah.com/muhammad-alshareef.html


and scroll down to the lecture The Teaching Methods Of Muhammad

Yes, and I had mentioned that somewhere, but as I already explained in the "Collapse of these countries", people are already having a fair test, people should not be underestimating what Allah has already provided. Plus they have already heard about Islam, we are not starting from the beginning.

Plus I am talking to the Muslims, I think they need to sort themselves out, everytime I talk to some of them to remind and try help them to be strong to face the Dajjal they keep on directing me to talking to infidels. <_< What is it that some of the Muslims don't understand we are finishing with them. AS per my thread "Collapse of these countries". If I was alive at the time of the Prophet Noah peace be upon him it is not for me to sit there with infidels when the ark is being built.

Why should I talk about Dawah, when you can't sit with them when the countries are of no more and you have to join the Mahdi?? So as per this thread, I have explained that and no I will not be changing, neither do I need to.

 

[h-n]

no one can be like the prophet (saw) but we can try inshallah since no one is perfect. we all have our own personalities and traits

btw theres lot of muslim members here who are overly harsh with non muslims so i don't like the fact we are all ganging up on the sister like this. its not right:hmm:

i think her threads are of great benefit here to muslims and id hate to see her get banned because so many argue with her.

agree with sister ummu safyaan..mashallah good points you made.

Thank-you for that, yes they are being critical of how I am rather then what I write. Their only criticism is of Dawah, when I am talking to Muslims. Everytime I trying to help some Muslims they quickly tell me how to speak to infidels. <_<

Being critical of me is not going to help them be strong when the Dajjal arrives etc.

 

[h-n]

Anyway, I just want to add something.. we shouldn't diss anyone because to us they seem to come across as being a bit hard. That person may well care more for your akhirah than you think. Why can't we can't bear being told something a bit sternly for our own good? There is no nice way of telling someone that if they don't pray they are classed as disbelievers. But that is true isn't it? Is there a sweet way of saying that? The best I can think of is, 'Did you know the person who doesn't pray is classed as a disbeliever?' That will still make people think you're calling them a disbeliever. Very few people have the stomach to bear the truth and appreciate it's value. Harshness is if someone said, 'How can you call yourself a muslim when you don't pray, man you're so going to Hell boom boom!' Now THAT is rude and arrogant.

We shouldn't tell a well meaning sis/bro they are being harsh without thinking what their intentions are and really looking to see if they really are being harsh or just truthful. I swear by Allah, I feel it in my bones that many of us will wish our brothers and sisters had been harder in their reminders to us. Everyone agrees that no one is perfect. Then why pick at little faults and turn them into huge issues? By doing that all we do is prove that we aren't perfect either. if we feel ashamed due to someone reminding us our faults, then the chances are we have something to be ashamed about. Why not dwell on our own shortcomings instead of hitting back at the one reminding us. Isn't that one occassion we should have sabr? Sabr isn't just waiting to open your fast. It's in all circumstances. Bearing someone's faults with patience and making dua for them is the best thing we can do. I'm telling that to myself as much as to anyone else. Cuz I shoot my mouth of too sometimes. So I'm reminding myself more than anyone else. That's why it came out of my head cuz I remember I've done it too.



:wa:

Thank-you for that, I have already been honest from the outset, and stated I'm just placing threads to help people to be steadfast in Islam, iin my way, which I won't be changing. As we're don't know when we are going to die, so at least others can benefit from learning.

Who thought that if you speak to Muslims directly they quickly be critical of Dawah. Telling you how to speak to infidels. <_<, there is something very wrong there. I don't think Muslims in the past would have thought they would have been behaving this way.

 

[h-n]

Update.

What has happened is ridiculous, everytime I'm trying to help Muslims be steadfast in Islam, people are quickly telling me how to speak to non-Muslims. So this is why I explained a bit about how I feel and with the "Collapse of these countries", and the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread. Which typical they could not even be bothered to accept that if you had only 1 hour that you would be rushing around, telling people to hurry up and be quick, that if the Gog and Magog were here you would not be sitting there calmly and casually discussing Islam.

Other Muslims can see that the people who are being critical of how I am;-

1. Do not look towards the Day of Judgement more then me,
2. If they are saying they are so kind then heed what Allah has taught you.
3. The countries are finishing 100%, so I'll leave the Muslim Brothers and Sisters to see that.
4. What have the non-Muslims been doing all this time? That they are questioning the basics, and when I get to the point, they complain, at least the non-Muslms have learnt something about Islam that they should have done before. They may disagree, no problem, we'll see them on the Day of Judgement.
5. People who are less looking towards the Major signs of the Day of Judgement are telling me how to be?
6. I am not going to follow, and listen to people who look less towards the Day of Judgement then I do-I would be a fool.
7. I am not going to change, and frankly I wouldn't want to.
8. I'm trying to teach you to be strong in Islam, and your trying to attack me personally? Attacking me personally is not going to help you face the Dajjal etc.
9. The people who say they want to do Dawah, can't even remember the Day of Judgement much, there are some that want to be religious to get attention, and be in a position of influence, its odd that people say they want to do Dawah but they don't remember the Day of Judgement as much. I know and take it as a fact that these countries are finishing. Do you not see what has happened with Christians and Jews when they talk about how to live here, no matter how many times the quote being nice etc, it is not helping them from the fires of Hell.
10. The are willing to copy off the Prophets except remember the Day of Judgement and heed the signs. You can't talk about Islam and not remember the Day of Judgement much, the Prophets even spent time going over that constantly with people. Check how many times can you say the Day of Judgement constantly in one Day?? They give lessons on this in one course and then the rest they just talk how to live in this world. We have written down in the hadiths the advice of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, but not his every word. He has absolutely remembered and talked about the Day of Judgement, the next world regularly. Even the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him when he comes back will not stop to warn people of the Day of Judgement, and Hell.
10. So I'll leave it to that, I am happy with what and how I have written things, anyone who is disputing with me, they can complain to Allah on the Day of Judgement!!!

So bye everyone, I'll leave it to that.

Remember Allah and the Day of Judgement much.

 

[Zafran]

What's blinded you is your own hate. no wonder your talking as an infidel. if you really were so bothered about Islam, you would have simply read threads. Not be critical of me personally. Which I'm not going to change how I am.

I'm not a sinner, a person in Paradise is not going to call themselves a Sinner.

When a person remembers Allah, that is a good thing, a blessing from Allah. Allah has said the Quran is for believing Men and women. Everytime we pray we are not going to call ourselves as sinners.

Allah would not like us to call ourselves evil people, has he not already shown the he seperates the good from the evil. Even allowing Muslims to fight against evil people. So what is the use of us calling ourselves one of them.

so your one of the prople in paradise now - thats arrogant.

why shouldnt I be critical of you - the thread is called "my intentions" - its as personal as it gets. Your also critical of people personally - if you cant take the same treatment dont dish it.

If your not going to change - then why do you expect other people to change?

whos one of them?? whats with the tribalism - someone whos a non muslim now could become a muslim in the future - so this "us" vs "them" doesnt work in certainly wasnt the idea of the prophet Muhammad pbuh or the sahaba (ra) -

The companions of the prophet by the way were non muslims before - some even wanted to kill the prophet - did the prophet talk to them the way your talking to the non muslims so that they would see the truth or did he do it in a different way?

many examples can be given how the prophet dealt with non muslims - eg. the women that used to chuck Grabage at the prophet pbuh is one famous example.