Bulger killer Jon Venables faces child porn charges

[Rhubarb Tart]

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I don’t think there is proper statistics to compare the past to present. If there is any, rest assured it would be heavily criticised. I also don’t think countries that do claim to carry out Sharia law do in-depth research on their state of societies (early you compared the UK with Saudi Arabia). For example, women is more like to report rape in the UK (even though women are still reluctant) then in Saudi where she faces either prosecution, unjust treatment or disowned by family for sake of honour. These are two different places and two different cultures and whole load other factors.

Besides I also think there is no real Sharia law in this world to compare the west or any other state to.

 

[Salahudeen]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

^I have to agree to an extent that there is no country that implements shari'a 100% percent so we can't compare, but it's not just rape, it's stuff like murder and theft that is also less. And I noticed many of the middle eastern countries have lower crime rates across the board not for just crimes that involve women, all though they don't have shari'a and I'm wondering why this is.

Look up the statistics http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html


UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

read the full article here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...73/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

No, I believe that only a very small number of 11 year old boys have reached puberty and to be safe I assume that all 11 year old boys have not reached maturity and should not be tried as adults. But I do not believe he should go unpunished. I believe he is deranged and dangerous, he should have been treated as being criminally insane and sentenced to hospitalization and rehabilitation until such time it is proven he is no longer a danger to himself or others.

Perfect! I completely agree with you.

I feel sad when I see the British people reaction in 1993 and 2001 when they were released. I remember watching the bunch of people outside the court in documentary wanting to kill the boys. I also remember this woman with her son (who looked similar age as the boys) was saying she wanted to death penalty because she believed child should not be killed and those that kill a child should be killed. I don’t think she realise the irony of her statement. I can understand the outcry but the anger from the public enough to want to see and kill them? The sort of reaction is what I would expect from the victim parents and understandable why.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

^I have to agree to an extent that there is no country that implements shari'a 100% percent so we can't compare, but it's not just rape, it's stuff like murder and theft that is also less. And I noticed many of the middle eastern countries have lower crime rates across the board not for just crimes that involve women, all though they don't have shari'a and I'm wondering why this is.

Look up the statistics http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html


"Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.


The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence. In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute. The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show: The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain. The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.

It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz0uZuFeFkP


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz0uZtmLiaB


I find the comments posted by people at the bottom of the above article interesting,


We have criminals growing up in a culture which falls over itself to tell show them that even if they are caught they will receive no punishment. All this does is result in more serious crimes being committed as criminals "aren't bothered" if they receive a tagging or "community" sentence.

The only proven course of action is to bring in zero tolerance and have proper deterrents.

The only problem is that the money that we will need to build and run more prisons will come from the tax payer, and the "reward" for society will only show itself 20 years down the line. No political party will take this hit.
- Eric Johnson, Blackppol lancs, 02/7/2009




We have no deterrent and that is why criminals indulge in criminal behaviour. Look, if I'm in a hurry, I would certainly drive in the bus lanes. I know it has undesirable consequences (slowing down the buses and making public transport less efficient) but I would justify it to myself. Why do I never, ever drive in the bus lanes at the moment? Because I WILL be caught on camera and I WILL be fined £120. Simple. Don't rely on people's "better nature" to discipline them, rely on a failsafe, consistent punishment. It works!
- Emma, London, UK, 02/7/2009 09:08

Salam
Firstly don’t ever use the daily mail. Do you want to see the false informations and statistic the use for Muslims community in Britain? Have you seen the false information they have written for countries like Saudi Arabia. They write so much crap. And you know why they (other newspaper like them get away with so much crap?
The editor of the Daily Mail is Paul Dacre. The chairman of the PCC Editors Committee is Paul Dacre..

Look at this blog dedicated to make a mockery out of the daily fail (which what I call) and other vile newspapers. Just read it through you would laugh so much:
http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/page/3/

Also, like I said you can’t compare the west whereby they do so much in-depth research to their countries to Muslims countries where sometime they don’t know what the hell is going on. In fact, certain practises are often investigated by organisations from the west. The whole world is a mess.

 

[Salahudeen]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

Perfect! I completely agree with you.

I feel sad when I see the British people reaction in 1993 and 2001 when they were released. I remember watching the bunch of people outside the court in documentary wanting to kill the boys. I also remember this woman with her son (who looked similar age as the boys) was saying she wanted to death penalty because she believed child should be killed and those that kill a child should be killed. I don’t think she realise the irony of her statement. I can understand the outcry but the anger from the public enough to want to see and kill them? The sort of reaction is what I would expect from the victim parents and understandable why.

but what does shari'a say

 

[Salahudeen]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

Salam
Firstly don’t ever use the daily mail. Do you want to see the false informations and statistic the use for Muslims community in Britain? Have you seen the false information they have written for countries like Saudi Arabia. They write so much crap. And you know why they (other newspaper like them get away with so much crap?
The editor of the Daily Mail is Paul Dacre. The chairman of the PCC Editors Committee is Paul Dacre..

Also, like I said you can’t compare the west whereby they do so much in-depth research to their countries to Muslims countries where sometime they don’t know what the hell is going on. In fact, certain practises are often investigated by organisations from the west. The whole world is a mess.

It's not just the daily mail, the telegraph also has the same information.

 

[Woodrow]

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I'm looking for some statistics, what was the level of crime before the media/tv became prevalent in our lives? it would be interesting to see the trends in crime before the media/tv became prevalent, and then look at the trends in crime after. Does anyone know where I could find statistics like this?

I think it would've been lower would really be interested to see.

Looking back through historical records it seems that during the entire course of recorded history there have beeen areas of high crime and debauchery. For some examples look at the conditions at the times of Prophets Lut and Noe (PBUT). Look at ancient cities and their statues of phallic symbols and debauchery. Look at the times of ancient Rome and Greece with their vulgar celebrations of drukeness and sexual debauchery. Each era has had it's regions of high crime and immoral behavior.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

but what does shari'a say

Referring to wha exactly? The punishment for these kids or the people reaction which you have quoted.

 

[Salahudeen]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

Looking back through historical records it seems that during the entire course of recorded history there have beeen areas of high crime and debauchery. For some examples look at the conditions at the times of Prophets Lut and Noe (PBUT). Look at ancient cities and their statues of phallic symbols and debauchery. Look at the times of ancient Rome and Greece with their vulgar celebrations of drukeness and sexual debauchery. Each era has had it's regions of high crime and immoral behavior.

Interesting, I never thought of this, you're right, it's existed all along in a way.

Referring to wha exactly? The punishment for these kids or the people reaction which you have quoted.

how would shari'a deal with a murderer who is a child?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

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It's not just the daily mail, the telegraph also has the same information.

I don’t think you got the point. How can we compare a society that look into their state in great detail to society that doesn’t or look only parts of it?

I hate it when I see research conducted by the west into Muslim societies because I often dismiss it as biased then wonder why the countries government are not looking into this and dismissing as if these things don’t exist. I understand why the west may conduct research on countries that have no structure or laws and constant conflict like Somalia but countries like Jordan, Saudi?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

how would shari'a deal with a murderer who is a child?

As far as I am aware they would not face death? I dont know about punishment...

 

[Salahudeen]

Re: killer of Jamie Bulger gets only 2 years for watching and distributing child porn

I don’t think you got the point. How can we compare a society that look into their state in great detail to society that doesn’t or look only parts of it?

I hate it when I see research conducted by the west into Muslim societies because I often dismiss it as biased then wonder why the countries government is not looking into this and dismissing as if these things don’t exist. I understand why the west may conduct research on countries that have no structure or laws and constant conflict like Somalia but countries like Jordan, Saudi?

I see your point, I was under the impression the research was conducted by the country itself and passed onto the people who collected the statistics. My naivety, I guess if statistics aren't reliable then there's no way of telling.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

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I see your point, I was under the impression the research was conducted by the country itself and passed onto the people who collected the statistics. My naivety, I guess if statistics aren't reliable then there's no way of telling.

Like all governments they twist result to suit them. Just look at labour and their "crime" rate. I don’t think Muslim countries are immune to this. Every government want best result, so why not make it appear the best. Why not twist it to suit them or don’t bother researching the state of their own countries.

No governments want to know that they are crap and underperforming. Hence: why we also always see contradict results from independent organisations to the government like labour “crime rates”.

Or they would change the system like education is the UK where they have made GCSE a lot easier so more children can pass and gain "As". Every year the records are broken. Seriously I applaud the last government for fooling the people and this will just continue with conservative.

 

[nousername]

These boys make the shaitan envy their pure wickedness. they KNOWINGLY tortured and sexually assaulted a baby. they should have been locked in a dark cell and left alone for the rest of their lives. the fact that they got out is a travesty of justice, and now look at how "productive" they are in society. if James was my baby i would have no problem executing these two monsters myself.

 

[cat eyes]

These boys make the shaitan envy their pure wickedness. they KNOWINGLY tortured and sexually assaulted a baby. they should have been locked in a dark cell and left alone for the rest of their lives. the fact that they got out is a travesty of justice, and now look at how "productive" they are in society. if James was my baby i would have no problem executing these two monsters myself.

i support you on this. just look at what happened when one of them got released now he will be a danger to society in two years time