Hinduism VS Islam

[nousername]

Why is Hinduism only for desis? I've heard it's almost impossible for a non-desi to convert

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Why is Hinduism only for desis? I've heard it's almost impossible for a non-desi to convert

Actually sistah you`d be shocked to know that there are also non-desi Hindus , am sure you will find many on Youtube (The obvious place), converts to Hinduism!

 

[marwen]

I want to learn something : What are the sources of Hinduism ? Where did these ideas (karma, multi-lives, embodying, etc...) come from ?
Is there any scriptures where Hindus learn these ideas. And these scripture who made them ?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Well i think the Hindu Scripture is called the "Geeta", correct me if im wrong

But according to Shiekh Zakir Naiks lecture, Our Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Geeta, and also some rules on dress code, what to eat, covering of head (for women) etc. , Hindus believe in many Gods, and they are all mostly idols or humans as far as my knowledge goes, but im sure someone knowledgeable will be able to help inshaAllaah.

 

[bhakti]

There are a lot of holy books in Hinduism. However, the contention is that books are often very open to misinterpretation and can lead to very differing opinions. Therefore stress is places more on the Guru-student passing down of knowledge rather than relying on books for knowledge.

I would suggest watching the videos of this youtube channel for a quick overall idea of Hinduism: youtube.com/user/HinduStudies


Cheers!

 

[Zafran]

the vedes are meant to be the top sources

 

[Insecured soul]

Keep your questions about hinduism/islam limited to this thread

as far as the subject goes im ok by it but dont make subject line such as islam VS..... so and so

there is no such thing as VS in front of islam, other religion do not even qualify for a fight becoz islam is the haq

hope i got my point across insha allah

as far as this thread goes, i do not believe in idol worship becoz the idols they create with thier own hands, they cannot even sustain themselves how can they sustain us? this is enuf for me to desbelieve in hindiusm or be it any idol worshipping religion

salaam alaikum

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

To the best of my understanding, Hinduism does not talk about a scenario like described in Last Judgement of the Abrahamic religions. Instead it talks about the law of Karma, which is the principle of cause and effect - as you sow, so you shall reap. The result of our actions may be immediate, over a period of time in the same lifetime or over many lifetimes. Individuals like you and me are identified through our body. But the essence of both of us, called souls, are essentially one but keep appearing in different forms on account of the law of karma. When one frees oneself from the chain of karma, then one becomes free, no longer needing to be embodied in this phase of the drama of life. But the drama of life goes on eternally and perchance we may embody again, when the whole cycle of the current drama, lasting aeons, end and start again. Please do not ask me to give data of these - only the scholars would know and I am no scholar.

ok .... how about suicide... does it end this chain/cycle in anyway...?
Is suicide an advantage or disadvantage...in hinduism..in case if a hindu dont like the current life..can he end it and start again...any possibility of that...??

 

[bhakti]

ok .... how about suicide... does it end this chain/cycle in anyway...?
Is suicide an advantage or disadvantage...in hinduism..in case if a hindu dont like the current life..can he end it and start again...any possibility of that...??

nope...suicide is frowned upon and is considered as good as murder...which means there's only added karma burden on you...a far cry away from releasing the burden of karma

 

[أحمد]

as far as the subject goes im ok by it but dont make subject line such as islam VS..... so and so

there is no such thing as VS in front of islam, other religion do not even qualify for a fight becoz islam is the haq

hope i got my point across insha allah

as far as this thread goes, i do not believe in idol worship becoz the idols they create with thier own hands, they cannot even sustain themselves how can they sustain us? this is enuf for me to desbelieve in hindiusm or be it any idol worshipping religion

salaam alaikum

You are right; this shouldn't be about Hinduism VS Islam, as there's very little or no comparison between the two. Islam is a religion of monotheism, while Hinduism is based more on mythology and material philosophy.

:wa:

 

[K.Venugopal]

Why is Hinduism only for desis? I've heard it's almost impossible for a non-desi to convert

Hinduism is for anyone who wishes to follow its teachings. Have you not seen American and European Krishna disciples dance on their streets during festivals?

 

[K.Venugopal]

I want to learn something : What are the sources of Hinduism ? Where did these ideas (karma, multi-lives, embodying, etc...) come from ? Is there any scriptures where Hindus learn these ideas. And these scripture who made them ?

The basic source of all Hinduism is the expression of self-realized men. (By self-realized I mean those who have discovered the truth of themselves.) Many of these expressions have been collected in scriptures collectively called the Vedas and they are considered as the basic reference on Hindu insights. Apart from the Vedas there are innumerable other scriptures. However, Hinduism does not have the concept of an end to scripture making. So long as man lives, he would continue to be creative and innovative in expressing the great truths of existence and therefore more scriptures would ensue in the future.

 

[K.Venugopal]

Well i think the Hindu Scripture is called the "Geeta", correct me if im wrong But according to Shiekh Zakir Naiks lecture, Our Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in the Geeta, and also some rules on dress code, what to eat, covering of head (for women) etc. , Hindus believe in many Gods, and they are all mostly idols or humans as far as my knowledge goes, but im sure someone knowledgeable will be able to help inshaAllaah.

The Geeta (fully called Bhagavad Geeta - also spelt Gita) is only one of the many scriptures in Hinduism. The Geeta, made up of 700 verses, is itself part of an epic called Mahabharat made up of 100,000 verses. I don't think Zakir Naik said the Geeta mentioned Mohammad, though he did say that another scripture mentioned him. All the Hindu scriptures taken together would contain all sorts of injunctions and rules that it would sometimes seem bewildering. Hindus of course always have had the choice of what to accept and what to reject, though sometimes social circumstances and conventions may have forced the populace to stick to certain norms. But such forced norms never lasted long. Social reformers have always appeared to refresh the choices that are considered Hindu heritage.

Hindus may seem to believe in many Gods, but the ultimate teachings say that these Gods are all only different expressions of the oneness of existence. The divine in Hinduism is expressed in many ways, including through idols and in acceptance of beings who are believed to be God come down in human or other forms.

 

[K.Venugopal]

as far as the subject goes im ok by it but dont make subject line such as islam VS..... so and so there is no such thing as VS in front of islam, other religion do not even qualify for a fight becoz islam is the haq hope i got my point across insha allah

I also do not believe in this versus thing but for a different reason. I believe all religions are aspirations towards the same truth so they are all one way or the other complementary.

as far as this thread goes, i do not believe in idol worship becoz the idols they create with thier own hands, they cannot even sustain themselves how can they sustain us? this is enuf for me to desbelieve in hindiusm or be it any idol worshipping religion salaam alaikum

I might surprise you but there are many religions in Hinduism which do not believe in idol worship.

I have often heard Muslims say we should not worship idols because the idols are created by us and the idols can neither help nor destroy us. Not for the sake or arguing but just for the sake of having you think on the subject, may I ask if Allah can either help or destroy us? How do you know that Allah is not a concept man came up with? Mind you, I am not questioning your believe in Allah or anything like that. I am only asking you to give me proof that Allah has any more power than the idols Hindus believe in have.

 

[Zafran]

I also do not believe in this versus thing but for a different reason. I believe all religions are aspirations towards the same truth so they are all one way or the other complementary.

I might surprise you but there are many religions in Hinduism which do not believe in idol worship.

I have often heard Muslims say we should not worship idols because the idols are created by us and the idols can neither help nor destroy us. Not for the sake or arguing but just for the sake of having you think on the subject, may I ask if Allah can either help or destroy us? How do you know that Allah is not a concept man came up with? Mind you, I am not questioning your believe in Allah or anything like that. I am only asking you to give me proof that Allah has any more power than the idols Hindus believe in have.

1 - all relgions preety much teach different things - it doesnt work to say they are all going for one truth.

The case here is that how can you prove that God doesnt help or destroy us? we know that Idols dont - you make them and they sit there all day - we can see that happening.

With the idols they dont do much - maybe help you worship what you want to but thats about it. With God there are some serious warnings out there its up to the individual to accept them or not.

Heres another thing your idols can be destroyed - With God you cant actually do that. The Idols cant even move themselves. You have to pick them up so you can actually move them.

 

[K.Venugopal]

ok .... how about suicide... does it end this chain/cycle in anyway...?
Is suicide an advantage or disadvantage...in hinduism..in case if a hindu dont like the current life..can he end it and start again...any possibility of that...??

One attains to freedom only in understanding. Suicide is a result of failure to confront life and therefore, according to those who believe in rebirths, such people would have to live again and succeed in living, not fail. People commit suicide because they do not like their circumstances in the current life. Everybody goes through suicide in the hope that the consequences would be better for him or her. Whether it actually is would probably depend on the entirety of the life he or she lived till the moment of suicide.

 

[K.Venugopal]

all relgions preety much teach different things - it doesnt work to say they are all going for one truth.

We will agree to disagree on this one.

The case here is that how can you prove that God doesnt help or destroy us?

How can you prove that the idols do not help or destroy us? Do you think the power of the idol is confined to the idol? If it is a Shiva idol, do you think that the power of Shiva is confined to the idol?

we know that Idols dont - you make them and they sit there all day - we can see that happening. With the idols they dont do much - maybe help you worship what you want to but thats about it. Heres another thing your idols can be destroyed - With God you cant actually do that. The Idols cant even move themselves. You have to pick them up so you can actually move them

One thing you have missed about Hindu idols is that they have a power that is not restricted to the idol. Take an idol of Krishna in a temple. Is Krishna destroyed if you destroy the idol? So when we pray to the idol of Krishna, whom are we actually praying to? Do you think there is an idol in Hinduism that is not linked to a power that is beyond the idol? Therefore by destroying the idols you do not destroy God. Idols sitting in one place all day long is natural because that is the nature of a thing made of concrete or wood.

With God there are some serious warnings out there its up to the individual to accept them or not.

That God exists is not a fact but only a believe, no less or more than the believe of idol worshippers that their idols represent God.

 

[Zafran]

How can you prove that the idols do not help or destroy us? Do you think the power of the idol is confined to the idol? If it is a Shiva idol, do you think that the power of Shiva is confined to the idol?

Or do we help the idol and can destroy the idol - The idol clearly needs our help more then we need its - we need to clean it - we need to move it. The power of shiva clearly needs the Idol if it didnt then there would be no need to praying to the idol?

One thing you have missed about Hindu idols is that they have a power that is not restricted to the idol. Take an idol of Krishna in a temple. Is Krishna destroyed if you destroy the idol? So when we pray to the idol of Krishna, whom are we actually praying to? Do you think there is an idol in Hinduism that is not linked to a power that is beyond the idol? Therefore by destroying the idols you do not destroy God. Idols sitting in one place all day long is natural because that is the nature of a thing made of concrete or wood.

That God exists is not a fact but only a believe, no less or more than the believe of idol worshippers that their idols represent God.

do you worhip God or the idol? if you dont need the idol then why worship at all? How do you know that the idol represents God?

The main point here is that the idol is different from God - God cannot be destroyed - the idol can - God does not need our help it not depended on us - the idol is -

From all these points it does not seem that an idol is a good representation of God.

so you agree the idol has no power at all. If it doesnt whats the point of it?? should we not worship the main thing rather then an idol.

 

[bhakti]

if you dont need the idol then why worship at all? How do you know that the idol represents God?

The main point here is that the idol is different from God - God cannot be destroyed - the idol can - God does not need our help it not depended on us - the idol is -

From all these points it does not seem that an idol is a good representation of God.

so you agree the idol has no power at all. If it doesnt whats the point of it?? should we not worship the main thing rather then an idol.

May I ask you two questions?

1) There are many in this forum who have signatures, avatars etc. of 'Allah' written in Arabic. What purpose does this serve?

2) When you pray to Allah, how do you know your prayers are reaching Allah? Do you think Allah listens to you because you are calling out his name or do you think he is listening to you coz he understands and appreciates the emotion/devotion/sincerity in your worship?

 

[Zafran]

May I ask you two questions?

1) There are many in this forum who have signatures, avatars etc. of 'Allah' written in Arabic. What purpose does this serve?

2) When you pray to Allah, how do you know your prayers are reaching Allah? Do you think Allah listens to you because you are calling out his name or do you think he is listening to you coz he understands and appreciates the emotion/devotion/sincerity in your worship?

1 - Its an avatar and I liked it. Many people have different avatars.

2 - We believe that Allah swt has given man a criteria - if you accept that criteria then your prayers are heard. Its not only that but Allah swt sent messeges to guide his people - the last messenger was prophet Muhammad pbuh to guide us back to the right path.

however I like to bring this back to the Idols. By the way before we go on to this I would like to know what Hindus believe about God - Is God all powerful, all knowing? absolutly Independent? according to hindus?