Hinduism VS Islam

[K.Venugopal]

This is the problem - we both believe that God is all poweful so thats where we can actually start to build a contructive talk - There is no debunking needed if we both accept that God is all powerful and the idols are not simply becasue the idols cannot move without humans, or clean themselves or even walk - the bottom line is that idols are dependent on humans - God is not otherwise God would not be all powerful - there is no need of debunking its quite clear that you have walked into a contradiction between idols and God.

All idol worshippers know that idols represent something that is greater than the idol. In other words, idol worshippers know that idols, for them, represent God. Then where is the question of being confused between the powers of the idols and that of God? Because idols represent God, they bow in front of idols, worship them and have a sense of sanctity as if actually in front of God. The faith in the idol of long-time idol worshippers grows to such an extend that they believe that the idol can actually do anything that God might want to do. This is called faith. Who are we to argue against another’s faith or belief? Actually, in the Hindu culture, no one’s faith or belief is questioned. Even if it is obvious that someone’s believe is wrong, the Hindu culture simply says, give the person the space to live and learn. The only thing that Hinduism does not permit any which way is that which causes disharmony in society. This question of harmony (Dharma) is a very big subject in Hinduism, maybe its most basic subject.

This is more confusing do you believe the idol is an aspect of God or not God? What is the real thing as you believed that all of existence is God? - here your saying the idol is not God????

When I said that the idol is not God I said that God cannot be limited to the idol. God indeed is all of existence. Hindus believe that God is omnipresent (God is present everywhere), which the Muslims do not believe. Therefore if He is present everywhere, how can He not be present in an idol?

Its simple God which we both agree is all powerful from here we can carry on the talk - with Hindu names you have many Gods so why dont you use the word Gods rather then God?

Always, when Hindus say Gods, they mean the many expressions of the one God. In fact, Hindus don’t just say there is only one God. They go beyond the monotheistic concept to say that there is only God. (On this Dr. Zakir Naik says the difference between Hindus and Muslims is that while Hindus say there is only God, the Muslims say there is only God’s – the difference being just a possessive apostrophe.)

is "existence" all powerful like God or is it not? If existence is not all powerful then how can it be an "aspect" of the all powerful. Just to add you said the idol is not the "real thing" which is also part of existence - so what is the idol is it not an aspect of God?

Existence is everything that exists including God or the creative principle. Is there therefore any question of existence not being “all powerful”? When I said that the idol is not the real thing I said that it is not God or totality – only a representation, by man, of God. That which is eternal is God – everything else is ephemeral.

all this is based around God being all powerful which we both agree on.

There is a difference in the usage of the word “all powerful” between those who believe God is separate from creation and those who believe God and creation is one. For monotheists the power of God is a power that is best displayed when it goes against something. For the non-dualists, the power of God is best displayed in the harmonizing peace of existence. Therefore when I say that I am God, I would not be foolish enough to think that I am God as believed in by the monotheists. What is meant is that the peace and harmony that is the essence of existence is something that I too can experience and is my destiny to experience.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace to you K.Venugopal

What is meant is that the word of God, which would be intangible for man, was made in book form for man’s comprehension. Similarly, with idols. You may not be worshipping the Quran. But the fact remains that for worshipping Allah you need many aids, including the Quran. Hindus use the aid of idols to worship God. They may seem to be worshipping the idols exclusively, but their worship is not restricted to the idols. In worshipping the idols they seek to reach God. .

Well theres a difference between A book and an idol, in this case the Quraan and the idol. Yes the Quran contains words of benefit to us but we do not use it as a form of worship, wheras the idol you do, you give God a form!

As I said, you need the aid of the Quran to reach God. .

Yes and as I said the Quran contains words of Benefit and from God, but we dont use it to worship God, but you use the Idol to worship God in that form.

Obviously this has not been enough to bring unity to the Ummah. Would you deny there is internecine warfare among Muslim communities, whatever the reasons? .

Yes i think your talking of the Sects in Islaam, but the fact is even though they are divided between each other, they still all face same/one direction in worship which is Mecca. So there is still a form of Unity.

Why did God need to receive worship in such a limited way?.

Limited way? God does NOT need worship however we benefit from it. He gave us Food, Water, day to live and night to sleep and many more (endess list), and all he asks from us is to worship him daily, is it limited because it benefits us or is it limited because he knows it benefits us and we will be rewarded and become humble?

How can we conceive of that which is without form? .

Why do you give form to God when you dont know yourself what he looks like? Are you saying you`ve seen God? and because you dont know , you worship God through Rocks/idols!.However you give God a form for example human,animal etc. you still conceive God in many forms! And Muslims give God no form.

If I talk to a rock do you think God will not hear me? Hasn’t Allah been described as all-hearing? .

Yes Allaah is All hearing, so do you not think God will hear you also without talking to the rock? So if God can hear you even without talking to a rock, why talk to a rock? You should ask yourself that Q as your a Hindu and you worship the Rock as a form of God. So yes Allaah has been described as As-Sammi-All-Hearing!

Why not? In giving form to the formless, why should one form be considered less than another? .

This is just silly, we are talking about GOD, God doesnt need to worshipped in a form of what his creation, for example you worship God in the form of Animal, or human, why should he need to be worshipped in the form of HIS creation? Does your Vedas, Geeta also command you to worship god in through rocks and stones?

By saying there is only one God Islam has reduced God to a countable object. .

Is not God All-powerful,well in Islaam God describes himself as Al-Malik-The King, The Master, The Sovereign Lord, Al-Qudus-The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect etc etc. God hasnt reduced himself to a countless object, but those who worship idols have! God is one, because he is able to control the world , the whole universe, he in Islaam tells us he is the ONE, God doesnt no help!, Rocks do, as you carry them and etc etc. Leme show you what GOD really says he says in the Quran in Surah Al-Iklaas-The Sincerety: Say: He is Allah, the One and Only, Allah, the Eternal, Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, And there is none like unto Him. Here God does NOT, describe himself as an Object, but rather someone who is perfect and able to take life of Human.

He might not need it, but what about our needs? .

Our needs you say? Worship is for our Benefit! I suggest you read Surah Ar-Rahmaan InshaAllaah this Q of yours shall be answered 100% weather you believe or not.

Yes, I believe that Allah is your God..

Yes i believe also he is your Lord and Mine, you can deny as much as you will, you cannot deny you was created by God can you? Yet you are not sure of the form of your God since you have many, and also suggests you have many Gods. But the fact is your and my Lord is one!

Why do you need a name (Allah) to worship God when Allah is only God’s name?.

Why Do Christians need the name Yeshua etc to worship their God? Why do you have many names for God? Btw Jesus (pbuh) caled upon God and he said Allaha, why do christian arabs call upon God and say Allah? Because it means God to them. All the prophets (pbut) all called upon God by a name, why did they? Allah tells us to call him by that name.

God, according to Hinduism, has given us the freedom to worship Him any which way, except ways that will cause disharmony in society..

Muslims job is to follow the 5 Pillars in Islaam, Shahadah the first Pillar, "To testify there is One God and Muhammad (saw) is his messenger", Salaah the second pillar, Worship Allaah in our 5 daily prayers (Note Muslim prayer keeps one to remember God man times in ONE day), Zakaah the third pillar where a muslim is supposed to give charity every year to the poor to HELP them, Sawm the fourth pillar of Islaam to fast in the month of Ramadhaan by not eating and drinking during daylight hours, which makes one strong in faith, not greedy, and humble, And Finally the fiffth pillar Hajj to make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in their your lifetime if accordable. Are you calling this Disharmony to society? Maybe you watched too much Tv and believe EVERYTHING they claim!

Yes. But unfortunately elsewhere He says that your religion is wrong and only my religion is right.

Really? Show me where, because this is what Allah says in the Quraan "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

Peace

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

a convert Muslim ( ex Hindu ) wrote that before death , a Hindu must utter that Allong Shreshthong ( Allah is the greatest of all ).

Can any Hindu describe more ?

 

[Charzhino]

I heard that Allah is formless, but I read in one hadith that the greatest reward in heaven will be to see Allahs face. So how can he be formless but have the form of some face from which our eyes can see?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

He has a form but not a form our eyes can see , like the unseen! InshaAllaah someone can elaborate!

 

[espada]

In Hinduism, intention is everything. The merit of an action is considered on the basis of the intention of the doer. For example, I might be seen giving a bar of chocolate to a child and someone, without knowing my true motive, may comment that I have done a good thing. By if my intention was to befriend the child and kidnap him, then the very act of giving the chocolate is bad, let alone my kidnapping the child.

Thank you for responding and teaching me about Hinduism. So intention is very important.

I have not understood this question.

The question was about who your act is intended for. When you do an act is it for yourself, in this world, the next, or for the pleasure a diety.

Please explain what you mean by “Basmala” so that I may comment on it.

bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

That is the basmala. Here is a brief article about:

its significance


Ok, more questions if you don't mind.

Is there anything like zakat, a prescribed duty of charity as opposed to just regular charity?

Do your scriptures mention caring for the orphans? And how are orphans generally viewed?

Describe how you pray? Is there a agreed upon method, or timing pattern? Or do you as an individual decide these things?


Thank you in advance.

 

[Karl]

I heard that Allah is formless, but I read in one hadith that the greatest reward in heaven will be to see Allahs face. So how can he be formless but have the form of some face from which our eyes can see?

God(s) are not limited to one form, Muhammad (PBUH) said that Allah was beyond our comprehension (not the exact translation), as the knowledge of the true nature of Allah was not bestowed upon Muhammad (PBUH) or all previous Prophets. This knowledge is way beyond any Human comprehension and would only serve to confuse the people and is also not relevant to the commandments and messages. But maybe the key to life the universe and everything...light is a particle and a wave.
Also to see Allahs face may have more than one meaning ie could mean to be totally enlightened and to lose all ignorance. etc

 

[K.Venugopal]

Well theres a difference between A book and an idol, in this case the Quraan and the idol. Yes the Quran contains words of benefit to us but we do not use it as a form of worship, wheras the idol you do, you give God a form!

It is understood that Muslims do not worship anything except Allah. The question is, don’t you use the aid of the Quran in your worship (by reciting its verses)? Please understand that Hindus use idols as an aid to worship God. And also, I think Muslims understand that the verses of the Quran, being the words of Allah, are in a way no different from Allah. They believe the words of the Quran are eternal like Allah. Is this true?

Yes i think your talking of the Sects in Islaam, but the fact is even though they are divided between each other, they still all face same/one direction in worship which is Mecca. So there is still a form of Unity.

OK.

Limited way? God does NOT need worship however we benefit from it. He gave us Food, Water, day to live and night to sleep and many more (endess list), and all he asks from us is to worship him daily, is it limited because it benefits us or is it limited because he knows it benefits us and we will be rewarded and become humble?

God is very serious about us worshipping Him. It is not just that we can do it for our benefit. If we do not worship Him, He punishes us in Hell.

Why do you give form to God when you dont know yourself what he looks like? Are you saying you`ve seen God? and because you dont know , you worship God through Rocks/idols!.However you give God a form for example human,animal etc. you still conceive God in many forms! And Muslims give God no form.

It is man who gives form to the formless. Therefore it is inevitable that the form will reflect what is in the mind of man.

Yes Allaah is All hearing, so do you not think God will hear you also without talking to the rock? So if God can hear you even without talking to a rock, why talk to a rock? You should ask yourself that Q as your a Hindu and you worship the Rock as a form of God. So yes Allaah has been described as As-Sammi-All-Hearing!

There are many Hindus who feel they do not need a rock to talk to God. Incidentally, if talking to God is called prayer, listening to God is called meditation. And meditation is basically about silencing our minds so that we can hear God.

This is just silly, we are talking about GOD, God doesnt need to worshipped in a form of what his creation, for example you worship God in the form of Animal, or human, why should he need to be worshipped in the form of HIS creation? Does your Vedas, Geeta also command you to worship god in through rocks and stones?

God may not need anything. But what about our needs? Vedas, Geeta etc. do not insist on any particular form of worship. They give us the freedom of worship.

Is not God All-powerful,well in Islaam God describes himself as Al-Malik-The King, The Master, The Sovereign Lord, Al-Qudus-The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect etc etc. God hasnt reduced himself to a countless object, but those who worship idols have!

God is not reduced by His worship, whether through idols or words.

God is one, because he is able to control the world , the whole universe, he in Islaam tells us he is the ONE, God doesnt no help!, Rocks do, as you carry them and etc etc. Leme show you what GOD really says he says in the Quran in Surah Al-Iklaas-The Sincerety: Say: He is Allah, the One and Only, Allah, the Eternal, Absolute, He begetteth not, nor is He begotten, And there is none like unto Him. Here God does NOT, describe himself as an Object, but rather someone who is perfect and able to take life of Human.

I think we need to understand this verse in the Quran which not just says God is one, but says God is One and Only. Does this mean there is nothing other than God in the universe? If so, it is akin to Hindu teachings.

Yes i believe also he is your Lord and Mine, you can deny as much as you will, you cannot deny you was created by God can you?

The God that we are talking about maybe one but our understanding of Him is obviously different.

Yet you are not sure of the form of your God since you have many, and also suggests you have many Gods. But the fact is your and my Lord is one!

The formless has been given forms. Like an individual, who is the same individual, has many different dresses. Different dresses does not make an individual different.

Why Do Christians need the name Yeshua etc to worship their God? Why do you have many names for God? Btw Jesus (pbuh) caled upon God and he said Allaha, why do christian arabs call upon God and say Allah? Because it means God to them. All the prophets (pbut) all called upon God by a name, why did they? Allah tells us to call him by that name.

There is a tendency now-a-days to restrict the meaning of Allah as the God of the Muslims. I referred to that famous case in Malaysia.

Muslims job is to follow the 5 Pillars in Islaam, Shahadah the first Pillar, "To testify there is One God and Muhammad (saw) is his messenger", Salaah the second pillar, Worship Allaah in our 5 daily prayers (Note Muslim prayer keeps one to remember God man times in ONE day), Zakaah the third pillar where a muslim is supposed to give charity every year to the poor to HELP them, Sawm the fourth pillar of Islaam to fast in the month of Ramadhaan by not eating and drinking during daylight hours, which makes one strong in faith, not greedy, and humble, And Finally the fiffth pillar Hajj to make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in their your lifetime if accordable. Are you calling this Disharmony to society? Maybe you watched too much Tv and believe EVERYTHING they claim!

Disharmony arises when you claim yours is the only true religion.

Really? Show me where, because this is what Allah says in the Quraan "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

Please check: Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

 

[K.Venugopal]

The question was about who your act is intended for. When you do an act is it for yourself, in this world, the next, or for the pleasure a diety.

All action is born out of a sense of lack. The ultimate Hindu teachings pertain to being free from the need to act, upon realizing that we and our circumstances are perfect. At that point, considering that others would exist who have not reached that stage, action is recommended as an altruistic service without any desire for reward.

bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm. That is the basmala. Here is a brief article about:
http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0908-3940

Basmala, as I understand, is quite overriding in Islam and I think it is one of the great things of Islam – remembering Allah under all circumstances. In fact, when Muslims say Insha Allah, nothing can beat that, though sometimes I wonder whether it has become somewhat mechanical. Hinduism gives its proponents the freedom to remember or not remember God or even go beyond the concept of God.

Is there anything like zakat, a prescribed duty of charity as opposed to just regular charity?

I do not think there is any structured charity in Hinduism. Individuals are encouraged to help the needy.

Do your scriptures mention caring for the orphans? And how are orphans generally viewed?

Hinduism traditionally had a joint-family system, where closely related lived together and hence the question of orphans did not arise. Today, when most of us live in nuclear-families, there are many institutions taking care of orphans.

Describe how you pray? Is there a agreed upon method, or timing pattern? Or do you as an individual decide these things?

Individuals decide the form of worship they wish to adopt and those who worship similarly are free to worship as a community.

 

[Charzhino]

what school of thought do you follow Venu, adviata or dviata?

 

[K.Venugopal]

what school of thought do you follow Venu, adviata or dviata?

I am enamoured of advaita. But I do not think spirituality should restrict itself within any bounds. I get into ecstasy listening to bhakti kirtans of Krishna. I would like to think that I do not belong to any particular school but am inheritor to all schools that would afford me a glimpse into the higher consciousness of man.

 

[abdussattar]

What is the fate on non-hindus, according to hindu beliefs?

 

[tango92]

What is the fate on non-hindus, according to hindu beliefs?

i heard you get resurrected as a rabbit or something.

do hindus believe animals have free will?

 

[abdussattar]

i heard you get resurrected as a rabbit

Now thats so cute :statisfie

 

[K.Venugopal]

What is the fate on non-hindus, according to hindu beliefs?

The fate of everyone is to discover their divinity.

 

[K.Venugopal]

i heard you get resurrected as a rabbit or something.

do hindus believe animals have free will?

Hindus hold that you could be reborn to either relearn the lessons that take you to divinity or, if the lessons have been sufficiently learnt, to be born in an environment that would augment complete understanding that frees one from birth and death.

There is no such thing as free will. When one is aware of only being part of the whole, the whole determines one's course and when one discovers that one is the whole, then one subjects oneself to the law of the whole - that of harmony.

 

[MrOmar]

All Pagans (Hinduism & Buddhism) will be in the Hell fire forever. How do people make lies about Allah (SWT) saying he has a son, worshiping statues or not worshiping him, everyone who believes in god hates the Pagan godless people (Hinduism & Buddhism) & wishes 2 things of them 1 their destruction 2 them worshiping the one & only god Allah (SWT). Please save yourself K.Venugopal from the fire leave this devil made evil Hinduism & embrace Islam the Truth. 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 112:2 "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). 112:3 He begets not, nor is He begotten. 112:4 "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." Surat Al-'Ikhlāş (The Sincerity) (The Holy Quran)

Hindus hold that you could be reborn to either relearn the lessons that take you to divinity or, if the lessons have been sufficiently learnt, to be born in an environment that would augment complete understanding that frees one from birth and death.

There is no such thing as free will. When one is aware of only being part of the whole, the whole determines one's course and when one discovers that one is the whole, then one subjects oneself to the law of the whole - that of harmony.

 

[bhakti]

All Pagans (Hinduism & Buddhism) will be in the Hell fire forever. How do people make lies about Allah (SWT) saying he has a son, worshiping statues or not worshiping him, everyone who believes in god hates the Pagan godless people (Hinduism & Buddhism) & wishes 2 things of them 1 their destruction 2 them worshiping the one & only god Allah (SWT). Please save yourself K.Venugopal from the fire leave this devil made evil Hinduism & embrace Islam the Truth.

So what you are saying is 'convert to my way of thinking and do exactly like I say or burn in raging fires for ever!'. But that's pure blackmail !

Do you condone blackmail MrOmar?