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The Quran was written by Allah, and was found by Mohammed, correct? How do you know that this is true? What if mohammed wrote it and just said he found it?


The reason why is because Mohammed was a prophet and Prophets don't lie!!!! Do you believe that Jesus will come back to save you? If we don't believe anything that the prophet has said then we wouldn't be considered muslim in the first place.


If you live in a time when people are easily swayed, and you want to create a religion, which is a better option:

1. Write a book and then make copies and give it out to everyone
2. Write a book and say you found it somewhere and it was given to you by God and then make copies and give it out?


Option 2 will increase your marketing exponentially.




This is our holy sacred book like i said bfore we cannot doubt what the Prophet has said. If we do we will go to hell fire. period.
 
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Greetings,

to the first question of this thread:

The name "Allah" seems to be strange to non-Muslims, but this name has been used by all prophets since Adam until Muhammad. It is a contraction of the two Arabic words AIlah, i.e., The God. By dropping the letter "I," you will find the word Allah. According to its position in an Arabic sentence, it can have the form "Allaha," which is close to the Hebrew name of the Creator, i.e. "Eloha." But the Jews are using wrongly the plural form "Elohim," which denotes more than one God. The word "Allaha" sounds closer to the Aramaic word for God used by Jesus, namely, "Alaha" (see Encyclopedia Britannica 1980 under "Allah" and "Elohim").

So while the name "Allah" is strange to non-Muslims, it is not strange to all prophets from Adam to Muhammad, as they propagated in principle the same Islam‹total submission‹and the word "Allah" denotes the personal name of the Supreme Being. It is not subject to plurality or gender, so there is no such thing as "Allahs," or a male or female "Allah," as is the case with Gods or God and Goddess.

It is confusing to use the word God, as many English speaking Christians consider Jesus as God. Even the word "Creator" is also confusing, as many Christians maintain that Jesus created the world.

Not only the name "Allah" is strange, but also the way Muslims worship Allah with ablution, bowing, kneeling, prostration and fasting is strange to non-Muslims, but not strange to all of the prophets.

While ablution (washing of face, arms, feet, and moistening of the hair) prior to worship is not done by modern Christians, it is required of Muslims and previous prophets, as seen in the following biblical passages:

Exodus 40:31-32: "And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat; When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the altar, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Although Paul made many changes in Jesus' teaching, he was faithful in respect to ablution, as seen in Acts 21:26:

"Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple'..."

Muslim women perform their prayer with their head covered, as in I Corinthians 11:5-6, 13:

"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonourerh her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.... Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered"

Muslims worship with bowing, kneeling, prostration, and without shoes 1 , as was done by previous prophets:

Psalms 95:6: "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker";
Joshua 5: 14: "And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship'';
I Kings 18:42: "And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees";
Numbers 20:6: "... and they [Moses and Aaron] fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared upon them";
Genesis 17:3: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying ...",
and Exodus 3:5 and Acts 7:33: "And he [God] said [to Moses], 'Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground."'

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Proof that the Bible was corrupted:

II Samuel 8:4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen ...

I Chronicles 18:4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen ...

Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand?

II Samuel 8:9-10
When Toi, king of Hamath, heard that David had smitten all the host of Hadadezer, then Toi sent Joram, his son, unto King David to salute him and to bless him, because he had fought against Hadadezer and had smitten him, for Hadadezer had wars with Toil. And Joram took with him vessels of silver, and vessels of gold, and vessels of brass.

I Chronicles 18:9-10
Now when Tou, king of Hamath, heard how David had smitten all the host of Hadarezer, king of Zobah, he sent Hadoram, his son, to King David to enquire of his welfare and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer and had smitten him (for Hadarezer had made war withTou); and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.

Q. Toi or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?

I Samuel 10:18
And the Syrians fled before Israel, and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach, the captain of their host, who died there.

I Chronicles 19:18
But the Syrians fled before Israel, and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach, the captain of their host.

Q. Seven hundred chariots or seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen or footmen? Shobach or Shophach?
II Kings 8:26
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.

II Chronicles 22:2
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. .

Q. Twenty two or forty two years?

II Kings 24:8
Jehoiachim was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.

II Chronicles 36:9
Jehoiachim was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.

Q. Eighteen years or eight years? Three months or three months and ten days?
II Samuel 23:8
These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lifted up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.

I Chronicles 11:11
And this is the number of the mighty men who David had: Jashobeam, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains; he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.

Q. Tachmonite or Hachmonite? Eight hundred or three hundred?

II Samuel 24:1
And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say: "Go, number Israel and Judah."

I Chronicles 21:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Q. Is Satan the Lord of David? May God forbid it!

II Samuel 6:23
Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.

II Samuel 21:8
But the king took the two sons of Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore unto Saul, Arrnoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzilai the Meholthite.

Q. Did Michal have children or not? Note: The name Michal in II Samuel 21:8 is still present in The King James version and The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah's Witnesses, but has been changed to Merab in The New American Standard Bible (1973).

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The History of the Quran

Evidence that the Quran is the word of Allah

anything else????


peace
 
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you know we (muslims) call Allah..because like sis f.y. said allah is the proper name of god.But thats not the only name ther is 99 more name altogether.

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Being raised christian and learning about Islam as an adult, I find it crazy when people argue about religion. I don't understand how christians can not accept the Koran, if they were to actually read it - they would see the principals are very similar to the old testament. The main differences come in with the new testament where there is different testomonies from different people. The gospel according to "Matthew, Mark etc" - we all know if we were to witness the same event we would all pickup on different points and retell the story with differencies and exagerrations. I feel that's what has happened with the old testimony of the bible. I love this website for sharing information and learning more about others beliefs but I don't like the tone of some of the replies in this thread. We should treat all others with respect as none of us should belittle someone for their beliefs. We will all be judged one day and the truth will then be known!
Another point to remember is that the bible does have different versions as well so there has been influence from outsiders through time - ie, even the ten commandments are different between catholic and protestant with catholics praying to statues and protestants following the commandment of no craven images - so there are arguments within the different sects of christianity never even mind other religions. I think there is a lot to be said for keeping the Koran in its true form to avoid points being misinterpreted.
 

Your second point is not allowed in islam, its disliked so much and even mentioned in the qur'an:
And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear. (2:41)




Well duh. If I made up a religion and wanted everyone to follow me and not try to make their own religions, wouldnt I set boundaries? Yes.



I would have rules. You cannot worship anyone else other than what it says to worship in this book. You cannot make your own religion that branches off this religion. You cannot write new documents. What this book says is all that there will ever be.
From the book of dsfas, chapter 7 verses 5-9
 
dfas - why don't you pick a verse of the koran you disagree with and we will debate that point. I wonder how much of the bible you can quote - as I have read both (not in full) and was astounded at the similarities. I fear you are arguing out of ignorance.
 
Being raised christian and learning about Islam as an adult, I find it crazy when people argue about religion. I don't understand how christians can not accept the Koran, if they were to actually read it - they would see the principals are very similar to the old testament. The main differences come in with the new testament where there is different testomonies from different people. The gospel according to "Matthew, Mark etc" - we all know if we were to witness the same event we would all pickup on different points and retell the story with differencies and exagerrations. I feel that's what has happened with the old testimony of the bible. I love this website for sharing information and learning more about others beliefs but I don't like the tone of some of the replies in this thread. We should treat all others with respect as none of us should belittle someone for their beliefs. We will all be judged one day and the truth will then be known!
Another point to remember is that the bible does have different versions as well so there has been influence from outsiders through time - ie, even the ten commandments are different between catholic and protestant with catholics praying to statues and protestants following the commandment of no craven images - so there are arguments within the different sects of christianity never even mind other religions. I think there is a lot to be said for keeping the Koran in its true form to avoid points being misinterpreted.


So your saying that the difference between the quran and the bible is the new testament. I understand that.

But then you say that Christianity is close to being the same as islam?

WRONG! The whole focus of Christianity is Christ!


And the ten commandments are not different. There are not different versions of the bible, it is translated into different languages from its original three languages. Doing so does not change the contents or the meaning.

I think you are confusing catholic tradition with their beliefs.
 
Ok, stop answering the first question. We have moved on. Thanks though.


ok everyone calm down...

relax and have some tea and lets get back on topic :D

what about my questions :P
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Strange, I grabbed a bottle of Arizona iced tea before I sat down :coolious:



Salaam
How one man could simply change rules cause he doesn't agree with them and form his own church which people follow to this day.
How could he do that? Persuasion. The same thing mohammed did. He was persuasive. Its funny, you just gave an example on how a single person can get a great many followers by doing one small thing (ie writing a book and saying it was given to you by allah )


Aside from that, I still don't see what your'e poking at. Maybe your'e saying that my beliefs are false because King Henry changed something.

Sorry to tell you, but I'm a Christian, not a King Henry-ist. I dont care what he did, it affects nothing in my life. My beliefs have a foundation in the bible, not in catholics or protestant.

I dont have to be part of a religion to be a Christian. I believe what the Bible says. Any other document has the possibility of being false.





Listen dsfas, calm down - we not gona eat ya :) lol just calm down abit and we just discussing our faiths - lets not fight or argue, but instead - try to understand each others faiths.

is that ok? :)

Sure, thats fine. I dont want to calm down, I was having fun watching my warning level go up. (currently at 70% )

Dont worry, everones calm. Its still not developed into an uncivil argument. This isn't my first go-round.



Greetings,

how can someone illiterate write a book??

peace
They couldnt. Who said he was illiterate? Since when did people start keeping records on who was literate or not? How would anyone know if he was literate or not? Who recorded this "fact?"
 
dfas - why don't you pick a verse of the koran you disagree with and we will debate that point. I wonder how much of the bible you can quote - as I have read both (not in full) and was astounded at the similarities. I fear you are arguing out of ignorance.


I disagree with the idea that it is considered a Holy book. It is not any more written by God than a book written by me.
 
The whole focus of christianity as I was taught is God. Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet but not as God. This is where I get confused with christianity because who exactly was jesus praying to and asking her help? do you think he was talking to himself? I genuinely cannot work this out and that is why I cannot say I am Muslim or Christian but I believe in one God / creator and live my life by the commandments.
 
Greetings

I disagree with the idea that it is considered a Holy book. It is not any more written by God than a book written by me.

but still you havent found anything corrupted or wrong within it, while i have found many things wrong in the Bible, and you still choose to contradict the Quran through ur blind ignorance....

im still waiting for your reply over the fact that i just proved to u the mistakes in the Bible

peace
 
Sure, thats fine. I dont want to calm down, I was having fun watching my warning level go up. (currently at 70% )

Dont worry, everones calm. Its still not developed into an uncivil argument. This isn't my first go-round.


dont worry about it, if you stick by the rules - by reading the FAQ, you'll know your limits.

http://www.islamicboard.com/faq/


They couldnt. Who said he was illiterate? Since when did people start keeping records on who was literate or not? How would anyone know if he was literate or not? Who recorded this "fact?"


We got proof which is in hadith, the hadith are classed within their authenticity levels, and the hadith which states that he (peace be upon him) was illiterate is authentic.

we've got his (peace be upon him)'s whole biography, backed up with authentic ahadith, so if you wna check it up - go in the biographies section and try to understand without talking about something you dont have any knowledge about.
 
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Seems like you dont want to learn much about islam, and want to discuss something you have no knowledge about.
 
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The whole focus of christianity as I was taught is God. Islam recognises Jesus as a prophet but not as God. This is where I get confused with christianity because who exactly was jesus praying to and asking her help? do you think he was talking to himself? I genuinely cannot work this out and that is why I cannot say I am Muslim or Christian but I believe in one God / creator and live my life by the commandments.


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Greetings



but still you havent found anything corrupted or wrong within it, while i have found many things wrong in the Bible, and you still choose to contradict the Quran through ur blind ignorance....

im still waiting for your reply over the fact that i just proved to u the mistakes in the Bible

peace


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Okay.. so now this is the reason he was banned. Plus he did some of these attacks repeatedly, so thats not needed.
 
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Hey!

Congrats, :-\..

Maybe you should stop repeating yourself over and over and over.. And then read the replies by the others! To me it doesn't seem like you read it at all..
 
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Hey!

Congrats, :-\..

Maybe you should stop repeating yourself over and over and over.. And then read the replies by the others! To me it doesn't seem like you read it at all..
I'm simply answering questions. I have about 6 people all asking at the same time.
 
Greetings,

maybe if you read the replies more thoroughly you wouldnt be stuck in this problem...

anywayz, im calling it a day inshallah, ill give you a break and let u go through this thread, have ur mind cleared up and stuff.

Alhemdulilah, I thank Allah for giving me the patience and knowlege to be able to debate a nonmuslim. And for giving us All the patience, knowledge and wisdom to spread the word of Islam correctly, Alhemdulilah Alhemdulilah
And may Allah bless the brothers and sisters who are helping the misguided and who continue to strive keeping their piety and knowlege high. Ameen.
May Allah continue to guide us and keep His Angels above our heads, and may we all meet in jannat al firdous ameen.
Jazakum Allah kul khair. :) :)
love ya all for the sake of Allah

peace
 
Greetings and:sl: ,

Due to the fact that the member dsfas has reached the 100% warning level, he has been temporarily banned for 3 days in the hope that he will learn to abide by rules and post respectfully, God-Willing.

I think we should thus close the thread,

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