Did I just break my fast?? :( (kaffarah)

  • Thread starter Thread starter Aishath
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 59
  • Views Views 14K

Aishath

Elite Member
Messages
365
Reaction score
18
Gender
Female
Religion
Islam
Assalaamu alaykum,

I am fasting my kaffarah fasts (today is day 3 Insha Allah). However, I was just making wudu to pray Asr and accidentally filled my hands with too much water when washing my mouth (step two of wudhu). I am normally really careful and I didn't forget I was fasting at all. It was just done accidentally. I am pretty sure some water trickled down the back of my throat. I spat it out at once when I realised that it was too much water and I might be accidentally swallowing some. Does this break my fast? Since I am doing kaffarah fasts, if a fast is broken I'll need to start again. Since I've only done 3 so far (counting today since I continued with my fast despite this incident), it's not too much of a problem if I do have to start again. I'm just worried about what to do really
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

I am fasting my kaffarah fasts (today is day 3 Insha Allah). However, I was just making wudu to pray Asr and accidentally filled my hands with too much water when washing my mouth (step two of wudhu). I am normally really careful and I didn't forget I was fasting at all. It was just done accidentally. I am pretty sure some water trickled down the back of my throat. I spat it out at once when I realised that it was too much water and I might be accidentally swallowing some. Does this break my fast? Since I am doing kaffarah fasts, if a fast is broken I'll need to start again. Since I've only done 3 so far (counting today since I continued with my fast despite this incident), it's not too much of a problem if I do have to start again. I'm just worried about what to do really

nope if its unintentional it doesnt break. continue as normal
 
nope if its unintentional it doesnt break. continue as normal


I was just wondering what happens if someone does break their fast or miss a day of fasting whilst doing Kaffarah. I just spoke to an Imam and he said since I was aware that I was fasting, this does break my fast. Since I've only done 3 days, I personally think I would feel better if I start over since it's not too many days I'll need to re-fast. However, can I just start again tomorrow or does there need to be a gap in the middle? :S Or can I just keep fasting and then fast an extra 3 days at the end?
 
I was just wondering what happens if someone does break their fast or miss a day of fasting whilst doing Kaffarah. I just spoke to an Imam and he said since I was aware that I was fasting, this does break my fast. Since I've only done 3 days, I personally think I would feel better if I start over since it's not too many days I'll need to re-fast. However, can I just start again tomorrow or does there need to be a gap in the middle? :S Or can I just keep fasting and then fast an extra 3 days at the end?

if u break it you gotta start from day 1. i think the imam is trying to make ur life difficult, as far as i know if its unintentional it doesnt break the fast.
 
if u break it you gotta start from day 1. i think the imam is trying to make ur life difficult, as far as i know if its unintentional it doesnt break the fast.

:( it does make it more difficult for me when I hear different views especially given that I am also so paranoid. I think I might just make an intention and start from day 1 again. I don't need take a break in between though do I?

On a completely unrelated note I hope you don't mind if I ask one more thing. I know if someone drinks alcohol their good deeds are not accepted for 40 days unless they repent. What is the case is one accidentally smells alcohol? Sometimes people I live with have alcohol and I tend to stay in my room and away from them at such times. However, I walked outside without realising that they were drinking alcohol. I tried not to breathe in any smells and after having a quick word I grabbed my jacket and books and came into my room. Accidentally smelling alcohol doesn't apply to the 40 days ruling does it :S I did try my best not to smell it. It's difficult living with people who aren't religious but unfortunately for the time being that is the situation
 
i think the imam is trying to make ur life difficult, as far as i know if its unintentional it doesnt break the fast.

In this case, what the Imam said is the correct religious ruling. Better not to speak without knowledge. Please do not assume such things about the Ulama. If we don't have a good opinion of the very people who inform us of matters pertaining to Deen then Allah help us.


Source..
 
Last edited:
On a completely unrelated note I hope you don't mind if I ask one more thing. I know if someone drinks alcohol their good deeds are not accepted for 40 days unless they repent. What is the case is one accidentally smells alcohol? Sometimes people I live with have alcohol and I tend to stay in my room and away from them at such times. However, I walked outside without realising that they were drinking alcohol. I tried not to breathe in any smells and after having a quick word I grabbed my jacket and books and came into my room. Accidentally smelling alcohol doesn't apply to the 40 days ruling does it :S I did try my best not to smell it. It's difficult living with people who aren't religious but unfortunately for the time being that is the situation

You're right, it doesn't :) The hadith refers to people who consume alcohol.
 
:( it does make it more difficult for me when I hear different views especially given that I am also so paranoid. I think I might just make an intention and start from day 1 again. I don't need take a break in between though do I?

On a completely unrelated note I hope you don't mind if I ask one more thing. I know if someone drinks alcohol their good deeds are not accepted for 40 days unless they repent. What is the case is one accidentally smells alcohol? Sometimes people I live with have alcohol and I tend to stay in my room and away from them at such times. However, I walked outside without realising that they were drinking alcohol. I tried not to breathe in any smells and after having a quick word I grabbed my jacket and books and came into my room. Accidentally smelling alcohol doesn't apply to the 40 days ruling does it :S I did try my best not to smell it. It's difficult living with people who aren't religious but unfortunately for the time being that is the situation

ignore me then.

i also wondered this. especially when you get those old tramps absolutely stinking of alcohol on the bus and stuff. it smells like urine
 
Ugh it's keep happening. I just cleaned my teeth and I was being so so careful rinsing out my mouth but I accidentally inhaled a bit of water. I filled my mouth up with such a tiny amount but it was when transferring water from my hands to my mouth I accidentally inhaled. I spat it out immediately. I think because I am trying to be so careful, I am making it worse now :(
 
In this case, what the Imam said is the correct religious ruling. Better not to speak without knowledge. Please do not assume such things about the Ulama. If we don't have a good opinion of the very people who inform us of matters pertaining to Deen then Allah help us.


From that link it seems that the guy has to keep a qadha of that fast he did break. However, in my case do I have to start kaffarah from the beginning?
 
Ugh it's keep happening. I just cleaned my teeth and I was being so so careful rinsing out my mouth but I accidentally inhaled a bit of water. I filled my mouth up with such a tiny amount but it was when transferring water from my hands to my mouth I accidentally inhaled. I spat it out immediately. I think because I am trying to be so careful, I am making it worse now :(

you know what at this rate your neva gonna get even halfway there. walking down the street your gonna inhale bacteria, does this break your fast? no of course not.

you cant be accountable for every molecule of water in your mouth. and you must wash your mouth. islam is not soo difficult. if your being extra strict on yourself to avoid following a wrong path then thats good, but bear in mind you are NOT allowed to make your life excessivley difficult for no reason. especially when it is the mercy of Allah that he is lenient on such things.
 
Sister, there is nothing wrong with gargling as long as water doesn't enter the throat.
If it does enter, and you're aware that you're fasting then yes, the fast will break and kaffaarah will have to be started again.
 


In this case, what the Imam said is the correct religious ruling. Better not to speak without knowledge. Please do not assume such things about the Ulama. If we don't have a good opinion of the very people who inform us of matters pertaining to Deen then Allah help us.


Source..

Can someone explain this answer? It says...

"If a person is fasting and whilst making wudhu, some water enters his throat either by gaggling or washing the nose, then if one remembers he is fasting the fast will break and the Qadhaa of one fast will have to be kept. However, if one doesn’t remember he is fasting, then the fast will not break."

So...

Scenario 1:

You swallow some water ---> You remember you are fasting ---> Your fast is broken.

Scenario 2:

You swallow some water ---> You do not remember you are fasting ---> Your fast is not broken.

In 'Scenario 2' it stands to reason that you will eventually remember you are fasting. So will the fast then be broken as in 'Scenario 1'? Is there a time limit? So if you remember after 5 seconds it's broken but after 2 minutes it's not? Who decided this?
It could mean that you forget the entire event but then there is no need for the second scenario because none of those people will ever ask the question.
 
Last edited:
Thanks. I think I am just being too paranoid now really. This might seem like a silly question but things like wearing contact lenses are fine aren't they? I've looked it up on ask imam website and it all seems to say it is permissible
 
Thanks. I think I am just being too paranoid now really. This might seem like a silly question but things like wearing contact lenses are fine aren't they? I've looked it up on ask imam website and it all seems to say it is permissible

as long as you dont eat them
 
as long as you dont eat them


Lol I'll try to resist the temptation. Well I kept my fast today as well anyway since it was more of a doubt as to whether or not I swallowed water so I figured ignore all doubts unless you know for certain really. Thanks for your help and input
 
Question:

If the fasting person rinses out his mouth or cleans his nose with water and some of the water enters his throat unintentionally, does this nullify his fast?
Answer:

If the fasting person rinses out his mouth or cleans his nose with water and the water enter his inner body, this does not break his fast, because he did not do that intentionally. This is due to Allah's Statement: But what your hearts purposefully intended. [1]

1. Al-Ahzab 33:5

Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen
Fatawa Islamiyah Page no.260 Vol: 2

also Allah says in the quran “And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend”[al-Ahzaab 33:5]

if it was not on purpose and unintentionally then your fast is still valid

Does my fast break if water runs down the back of my throat when i clear my nose in wudoo?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

The fasting person is forbidden to go to extremes in rinsing his nose, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Laqeet ibn Sabirah (may Allaah be pleased with him): “Do wudoo’ well, make the water run in between your fingers and toes, and go to extremes in rinsing the nose, unless you are fasting.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (142) and al-Tirmidhi (788); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

This hadeeth indicates that one should avoid going to extremes in rinsing the nose when fasting, so that the water will not inadvertently enter the fasting person’s body.

Secondly:

If the fasting person rinses his mouth or nose and some of the water goes down into his throat without him intending it to, that does not break the fast, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend”

[al-Ahzaab 33:5]

This person did not deliberately intend to do that which invalidates the fast, so his fast is still valid.

See al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (6/240, 246).

and Allah knows best
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

Thank you for that reply Brother. I am trying to be very careful when making wudhu so as to avoid doubts really.

I hope you don't mind the many questions but what does one do if they can't remember if they had a wet dream or not? I'm sorry about the descriptive nature and it is embarrassing but I need some opinions. I can vaguely remember there to be kissing but definitely can't remember anything that could lead to sexual ejaculation. When I woke up I was in a rush and didn't really see if I had ejaculated or not but from what I recall there was very small trace of what looked like dried discharge in my underwear but looked like it was just normal discharge and not orgasm (just because of the amount which looked like it was smaller than a fingernail, and the fact that it was dried etc). I went through a period where I was suffereing from waswas so much that I would make ghusls all the time even when it was just normal wetness and I am really trying to avoid that. My heart doesn't say it was ejaculation at all just because of the tiny amount and also because from what I can recall, the dream just wasn't a very sexual kind of dream or anything. More to do with meeting partner's family and so on from what I recall. Should I do a ghusl just to be on the safe side :S I fasted and prayed the whole day as normal
 
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked by a woman, “O Messenger of Allaah, Allaah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. Does a woman have to do ghusl if she has an erotic dream?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Yes, if she sees water.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 282; Muslim, 313). This indicates that it is not obligatory to do ghusl is one does not see water. Al-Mughni, 1/269.

But if one finds wetness, this must mean one of three things:

1 – That one is certain that it is maniy (semen), in which case ghusl is obligatory according to scholarly consensus. Al-Mughni, 1/269.

2 – That one is certain that it is not maniy, in which case ghusl is not obligatory, but this liquid must be washed away, because in this case the ruling is the same as the ruling on urine. Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 1/280.

3 – If he is not sure what it is, and does not know whether it is maniy (semen) or madhiy (prostatic fluid). In this case there is a difference of opinion among the scholars:

Al-Nawawi stated in al-Majmoo’ (2/146) that the rulings on both maniy and madhiy apply, so he should do ghusl to remove the janaabah (impurity following sexual activity) on the basis that it may be maniy, and he should cleanse his clothes of the impurity on the basis that it might be madhiy – because he cannot discharge his duty of purifying himself without doing that.

The madhhab of Imam Ahmad, which was also the view preferred by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, is that if he was thinking thoughts of desire before he fell asleep, or if he had played with his wife or looked at her, then this wetness should be counted as madhiy, because the liquid that is emitted because of those things is usually madhiy and the basic principle is that it is not anything else. So he should cleanse his clothes of the madhiy by sprinkling them with water, but he does not have to do ghusl.

But if he did not think thoughts of desire, or play with or look at his wife before falling asleep, then this wetness is to be considered as maniy, because of the report narrated by ‘Aa’ishah who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about a man who finds some wetness and does not remember having an erotic dream. He said: ‘He should do ghusl.’ And he was asked about a man who thought that he had had an erotic dream but he did not find any wetness. He said, ‘He does not have to do ghusl.’” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 236; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 216.

Al-Khattaabi said in Ma’aalim al-Sunan: “The apparent meaning of this hadeeth is that ghusl is obligatory if one sees wetness, even if he is not certain that it is maniy. This opinion was narrated from a group of the Taabi’een, including ‘Ata’, al-Shu’bi and al-Nakha’i.”

This wetness has to have come out for a reason, and there is no apparent reason other than an erotic dream, and the water that usually comes out because of an erotic dream is maniy. So this uncertainty may be dealt with by going by what is most usual.

See al-Mughni, 1/270; Sharh al-‘Umdah, 1/353.

Having the wet dream it self is not a sin and does not invalidte the fast but if you know it to be maniy then you must do ghusl if you sure it isnt then no ghusl only wash the spot so you can pray as if you dont know well maniy the say smells like sour dough i agree with the second view more also read this

The seventh question of Fatwa no. 6320
Q: What is the ruling on a person who wakes up and then doubts that he had a wet dream but when he examines his underwear, he does not find Maniy (spermatic fluid)?
A: All praise be to Allah Alone, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger, and his family and Companions.
The basic rule is that no Ghusl (ritual bath following major ritual impurity) is required of him (unless there is a clear evidence to prove that it is required), because what is certain cannot be overruled by what is doubtful.
May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions!
Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and Ifta’

so i hope this helps
 

Similar Threads

Back
Top