Misconceptions about women in Islam (Mature Answer to All Question)

[Thucydides1987]

When the woman becomes pregnant, how could the child or mother obviously know the baby's biological father when she sleeps with 4 men at the same time?

Well, you can work something out. For example, as silly as this may sound, all the other husbands except for the one you want to conceive with can use contraceptives. But if you really don't know, you can just get a DNA test; that's one capability we never had before.

We should also remember the purpose of life. We aren't here for this life's temporary amusement.

Here we obviously differ vastly I do believe that this life is it. However, I don't want to spend it just philandering around and over-satisfying my base desires. I strive to (and will always) cultivate my faculties as much as I can; just like Socrates famously said, "an unexamined life is not worth living." Although, not that there is anything wrong with desire -- after all, it's part of your nature; the important part is identifying what is good desire and what is harmful, as well as not stepping beyond the boundaries of moderation.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

..all the other husbands except for the one you want to conceive with can use contraceptives. .

huh , what if all husbands want baby or don't want baby but did not use contraceptives ?


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you can just get a DNA test.

but DNA will be done when a baby is born. It's husband's duty to take care of wife all the time including her whole pregancy period. what if all husbnads deny that it's not my baby but yours , so I won't spend now , u do ?


Also , it's not Islamic to go for DNA test to decide who is the real father after each baby is born .. a woman has one husband and he MUST be the father of the child.

PS. Did u talk to any doc about the risk of men and women having relationship with 4 persons at a time ? If a woman specially pregnant woman has 4 partners , is that good or bad for her ?

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

But if you really don't know, you can just get a DNA test; that's one capability we never had before.

not everyone has access to DNA testing and it certainly wasn't around until relatively recent.

 

[Thucydides1987]

Also , it's not Islamic to go for DNA test to decide who is the real father after each baby is born .. a woman has one husband and he MUST be the father of the child.

I don't understand. You don't 'decide' who the real father is by getting a child's DNA test, you find out. And why would it be unislamic to get a DNA test?

 

[Thucydides1987]

not everyone has access to DNA testing and it certainly wasn't around until relatively recent.

Why does everyone not have an access to a DNA test if they request it of their doctor? That procedure should be covered by the health care plans of most Western countries (well, except maybe the US).

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ Peace

.... you find out. And why would it be unislamic to get a DNA test?

A Muslim woman has only one husband . So , she does not need a DNA test to
' find out' who is the daddy of her child.

A Muslim husband / any Muslim must not suspect wife / any Muslim lady that she has relationship with others. Here is the related verse:

And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #4)

And Almighty Allah Knows Best.

 

[جوري]

Why does everyone not have an access to a DNA test if they request it of their doctor? That procedure should be covered by the health care plans of most Western countries (well, except maybe the US).

you should take a course on medical ethic:..
http://www.amazon.com/Medical-Ethic...7496/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1292375758&sr=8-2
paternity isn't determined by DNA tests.. else every sperm donor would end up responsible financially for his sown wild oats.. I am not sure what is more absurd, your brand of ethos or the accommodations societal financial and medical that have to be made to sustain it. If you have to complicate a formula this much with all those hilarious variables you add and tweak for anyone to make some semblance of sense of what you are saying then it simply nullifies itself as truth. Further, no sane country would squander its resources and tax payers money on paternity tests, it wouldn't even make it as a top ten list of priorities simply because you decidedly so declared that an excellent option under the guise of progress or freedom. More importantly and perhaps a factor you can't at all account for with your admirable imagination is how many women would want to have more than one husband and how she'd fairly divide her time between them, child birth and periods included..

We again suggest that you reflect a little before you write!

all the best

 

[Thucydides1987]

paternity isn't determined by DNA tests

You're talking about the testing of Mitochondrial DNA, which only provides the maternal line of a person. Nuclear DNA would provide you with the evidence that you need about the father.

What YOU say is so absurd. How do you think criminal investigators help rape victims (who were impregnated) find out about the father of their child? It's all through DNA profiling. I swear I am not going to respond to you any longer, it's all such a waste of my time.

 

[جوري]

You're talking about the testing of Mitochondrial DNA, which only provides the maternal line of a person. Nuclear DNA would provide you with the evidence that you need about the father.

No-That ISN'T AT ALL what I am talking about. I am talking about ethics in medicine, you know there is such a thing!- I have provided you with a link for a pioneer in the field and I recommend you do some light reading before gauging in topics clearly outside your field of expertise-- From the book or similar to it, you'll come to learn that for instance a woman who became pregnant and later divorced, her ex. is still responsible for child support even if at a later date he comes to learn that he isn't the biological father of said child. I'd recommend you not throw around terms or make presumptive statements simply because you believe that you are educated.. the terms come out funny, and I understand how impressed you are with your person, but believe me it isn't having the effect you are hoping for on others!

What YOU say is so absurd. How do you think criminal investigators help rape victims (who were impregnated) find out about the father of their child? It's all through DNA profiling. I swear I am not going to respond to you any longer, it's all such a waste of my time.

Try not to be so literal and linear in your thought process it makes it rather boring on top of absurd to reply to you!
and I'd recommend indeed that you not respond and keep that 'swear' to whatever god you pray to, as you only serve to humiliate and embarrass yourself on multiple levels!

all the best

 

[CosmicPathos]

You're talking about the testing of Mitochondrial DNA, which only provides the maternal line of a person. Nuclear DNA would provide you with the evidence that you need about the father.

What YOU say is so absurd. How do you think criminal investigators help rape victims (who were impregnated) find out about the father of their child? It's all through DNA profiling. I swear I am not going to respond to you any longer, it's all such a waste of my time.

how the heck you concluded that she was talking about mitochondrial dna testing? You just wanted to throw that out there to sound smart, did not you? There was no suggestion of mt DNA whatsoever, yet you brought it in and also tried to put "icing on the cake" by using the term "nuclear." Not impressed at all, I learnt all that in grade 8.

 

[جوري]

I learnt all that in grade 8.

regrettably that is exactly where he is stuck, not only are his visions of a free world puerile at best and not remotely in concert with any country's ethics, social structure or even economic spending (on the periphery) he compounds it with utmost sophomoric expostulations on Islamic jurisprudence, his attempts at 'refutations' energy-sapping and mind numbing, and he completely misses the point-- I hazard say he doesn't read past one line.. I am starting to believe that atheists at large are incapable of an abstract thought, their definition of logic confined to a very basic and telescopic view, mix in the formula a little pomposity, delusions of grandiosity and the frequent drive by shootings with the threat of leaving as if we're all awaiting those tinkles of wisdom and there you have it. Perfect prototype summed up in a paragraph!

ugh..

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Why does everyone not have an access to a DNA test if they request it of their doctor? That procedure should be covered by the health care plans of most Western countries (well, except maybe the US).

becuase some people live in remote areas. some people live in countries that arent really developed enough and therefore dont have accesses to DNA testing...there are alot of reasons why people may not have have accesses to DNA testing. not everyone has it easy.

in fact you will probably find that the people who do indeed practice polygamy come from poverty stricken background and backgrounds that, in comparison to some other areas in the world, may not be as developed. so where DNA testing would most be needed, it may not even be available anyway.

 

[Ramadhan]

Why does everyone not have an access to a DNA test if they request it of their doctor?

So anyone in Saparua, Maluku can march straight to their local hospital and demand a DNA test?

Oooh.... you are sooo smart...you...

atheists are friggin' smart, aren't they?

 

[Insaanah]

But if you really don't know, you can just get a DNA test

This is of no relevance to us. The husband-wife union is such that when the wife discovers she is pregnant, the husband and wife both acknowledge that inshaaAlla (God-willing) they will become the parents of that child and give thanks to God and pray for the well-being of mother and baby. In these early stages, there are problems such as morning sickness etc, which the husband helps her through. He sees her going through this for carrying his child, and helps her. In the "find out who the father is" society, she wouldn't yet know who the father is. DNA testing means at the point the woman discovers she is pregnant she has no idea whose child she is carrying until she reaches a certain number of weeks gestation required to perform the test. All the potential fathers wait to find out if they are the one, and she waits to see who is the father. A society where you have to do tests to find out who the father of your child is, is not a society even remotely encouraged by Islam. Even if there was a test that could tell you as soon as you discovered you were pregnant who the father was, that makes no difference. No tests should ever be involved to determine parentage. Clear lineage should be established at all times - the unborn child has an unwavering right to that. And we do not have to do tests to find out. Muslim women enjoy that knowledge and certainty that their husband is the father of their child, from the word go. We Muslims have so much to be thankful for.

And actually, we don't even need to give scientific reasons for why polyandry is not allowed. The reason we don't do it is this: we obey the rules set by our Creator. And He forbade it. Simple.

Peace.