U.S is responsible for Egypt´s election joke

[Thucydides1987]

We buy a product. Who is to blame there? And, what tyranny are you talking about?

Firstly, I dont think that 'product' would be accurate in describing the buying and selling of petroleum. And secondly, I don't think that America is exactly involved in a normal business transaction with middle eastern countries, when it intervenes in their affairs politically and (more importantly) militarily, all for the purpose of buying something from them. Don't you think something is wrong here?

 

[Mike3449]

Yeah The US provides kickbacks to Terrorist Isreal and Mubaraks Egypt. It helped both in controling the people and staying in power in the region.

Saddam Hussien was backed in the Iran and Iraq war where a million people died - I believe this the same time when he got the idea of gasing the Kurds. America preety much supported a mad dictator although not the first time. A terrible decision that later they had to get there own soldiers and innocent people killed in second horrible Iraq war.

Its about oil and the US is willing to pillage, kill, massacre and destroy anybody who comes in there way including democracy, innocent women and children and make there life hell - The same tactic that al qeada uses.

So far the US hasnt helped the mid east but has made the dictators stronger and destroyed its own reputation. Its an imperial power that shouldnt be in the mid east.

Al qeada, The US whats the difference both want to rape the region - I say kick them both out.

The U.S. should have remained friendly with Saddam after he invaded Kuwait. It was a mistake to defend Kuwait. We easily could have made oil deals with Saddam. If this whole thing was only about oil, it would have been much better to let Saddam do what he wanted.

No doubt, attacking Iraq was a bad idea. The decision was made with very little knowledge of the Middle East.

Kosovo was wrong also. That is another war we never should have fought.

But, we did not invade Iran. The Sudan is still able to kill many of it's citizens and no one cares or does anything. So, there are good things to report.

 

[Mike3449]

So in your opinion attacking and invading a country is a justified way to obtain oil?
And this coming from the self-proclaimed "leader of the free world", "the beacon of democracy"?
LOL.
The wolf has shown its true color, no?



Why would Saudi Arabia wants to destroy the pope?

No, I don't think attacking and invading is a justification to get oil. I don't believe that is what America did. It did not help our oil supply at all.

 

[GuestFellow]

No, I don't think attacking and invading is a justification to get oil. I don't believe that is what America did. It did not help our oil supply at all.

I agree with you. Oil might have been a factor but it was not the main reason. According to Professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, the main reason for the Iraq war was due to pressure from the Israel lobby.

 

[Mike3449]

I agree with you. Oil might have been a factor but it was not the main reason. According to Professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, the main reason for the Iraq war was due to pressure from the Israel lobby.

I don't think that is true either. After 9/11 I think Saddam was looked at in a different light. Not that he was Al Qaeda, but he did enjoy attacks on America. He was a sponsor of terror.

I think people blow the Israel situation out of proper context. It's existence is not that big of a deal. And, our relationship was more of a Cold War phenomenon than anything else. There are a lot worse places in the world doing a lot of bad things. No one seems to care about that. China. If you want to discuss a country that America supported and helped perfect an evil system... China would be the place.

 

[Zafran]

The U.S. should have remained friendly with Saddam after he invaded Kuwait. It was a mistake to defend Kuwait. We easily could have made oil deals with Saddam. If this whole thing was only about oil, it would have been much better to let Saddam do what he wanted.

No doubt, attacking Iraq was a bad idea. The decision was made with very little knowledge of the Middle East.

Kosovo was wrong also. That is another war we never should have fought.

But, we did not invade Iran. The Sudan is still able to kill many of it's citizens and no one cares or does anything. So, there are good things to report.

Its people like you that make the world a sick place - The US supported the shah when in the 1953 coup of Iran - getting rid of the democratically eleted government of Iran.

Its not just sudan, China, Russia, India can kill anyone they like and nobody cares - this in no way makes the US any better - as I said before the US alqeada whats the difference??

 

[Mike3449]

Its people like you that make the world a sick place - The US supported the shah when in the 1953 coup of Iran - getting rid of the democratically eleted government of Iran.

Its not just sudan, China, Russia, India can kill anyone they like and nobody cares - this in no way makes the US any better - as I said before the US alqeada whats the difference??

I make the world a sick place?

OK... How many U.S.TROOPS went to Iran to unsettle this Democratically elected savior of the Iranians?

And, I tell ya... I think he would have fallen as did the Shah. It's not like Democracy would have bloomed in Iran.

Why did Iran change it's name from Persia? What does the word "Iran" mean?

 

[Zafran]

I make the world a sick place?

OK... How many U.S.TROOPS went to Iran to unsettle this Democratically elected savior of the Iranians?

And, I tell ya... I think he would have fallen as did the Shah. It's not like Democracy would have bloomed in Iran.

Why did Iran change it's name from Persia? What does the word "Iran" mean?

The US supported the Shah to overthrow the democratically elected government because it was going to nationalise the oil - that was against US interests so it had to go. Check 1953 coup.

Nobody cares what you think - your last post shows you have a similar mind set to al qeada - doesnt matter how many people die as long US gets the oil.

Nobody cares why Iran became Persia. Its irrelevant.

 

[Mike3449]

The US supported the Shah to overthrow the democratically elected government because it was going to nationalise the oil - that was against US interests so it had to go. Check 1953 coup.

Nobody cares what you think - your last post shows you have a similar mind set to al qeada - doesnt matter how many people die as long US gets the oil.

Nobody cares why Iran became Persia. Its irrelevant.

You not wanting things to matter... that does not mean things don't.

You do understand that?

Quit running...

 

[جوري]

I make the world a sick place?

you are indeed a prototype for all that is wrong with it!

OK... How many U.S.TROOPS went to Iran to unsettle this Democratically elected savior of the Iranians?

It isn't your place to discuss whether or not their savior is democratically elected or not. You need to focus on the despots you've at home before you spread your wings to judge that of sovereign nations!

And, I tell ya... I think he would have fallen as did the Shah. It's not like Democracy would have bloomed in Iran.

Point being?

Why did Iran change it's name from Persia? What does the word "Iran" mean?

what was America before Columbus?

perhaps you should have stayed in school you wouldn't be asking and dispensing with so many platitudes!

 

[Mike3449]

you are indeed a prototype for all that is wrong with it!

It isn't your place to discuss whether or not their savior is democratically elected or not. You need to focus on the despots you've at home before you spread your wings to judge that of sovereign nations!

Point being?

what was America before Columbus?

perhaps you should have stayed in school you wouldn't be asking and dispensing with so many platitudes!

I'm sure you are correct in a lot of things that you say.

On Iran, America just convinced a few Persians to act in their best interests, and they did.

Other than that America did not invade, nor would we have.

It was a Cold War action. And, a minimal one at that.

 

[جوري]

I'm sure you are correct in a lot of things that you say. On Iran, America just convinced a few Persians to act in their best interests, and they did. Other than that America did not invade, nor would we have. It was a Cold War action. And, a minimal one at that.

America has no ones best interest at heart save its own and perhaps the interests of the colonial settler Zionist cockroach state.. be that as it may Iran and America share very similar politics .. they've been each other's bed fellow for quit sometime!

are you that naive or just enjoy playing dumb?

neither traits is tolerable!

all the best

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't think that is true either. After 9/11 I think Saddam was looked at in a different light. Not that he was Al Qaeda, but he did enjoy attacks on America. He was a sponsor of terror.

Saddam was always considered as a brutal dictator. He never did receive good publicity. So I don't believe he was seen in a different light following 9/11. I'm not sure what you mean by sponsor of terror. How was Iraq sponsoring terrorism? We can all agree that Saddam was not part of Al Qaeda nor was behind the 9/11 attacks.

I think people blow the Israel situation out of proper context. It's existence is not that big of a deal. And, our relationship was more of a Cold War phenomenon than anything else. There are a lot worse places in the world doing a lot of bad things.

The following you should consider reading:

''The Israel Lobby and Foreign Policy'' by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt.

Iraq: A War For Israel

^ This is a good summary about Israel role in pressuring America to attack Iraq.

No one seems to care about that. China. If you want to discuss a country that America supported and helped perfect an evil system... China would be the place.

Source?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Salaam

Yes America is deeply invovled in Egyptian affairs on all levels. They are deeply afraid of a popular government coming to power that would act independently, the ultimate nightmare for US planners. . . ..

Just one example of US intereference, they pressurised the Eyptians to build an underground wall (on the border) to stop the people of Gaza getting food and supplies etc etc in. American engineers built it.

Asalaamu Alaikum, i was in Egypt just after the elections on the 28th of November and i freely spoke to many locals about politics and the Egyptian government and it is very clear from their responses that ALL Egyptians HATE the government and Husni Mubarak and they know he is a puppet of the west and Israel and they would want nothing better than for Mubarak and all other corrupt puppets of the west in Egypt, Middle East and Africa to be eradicated and removed from their positions and for a revolution to take place.

The Egyptian are desperate for a revolution and are getting increasingly impatient with the current government. They laugh when i asked them about the elections they say that was the biggest joke of all. They say that no one turned out because they is no point. No matter who votes the current government will remain and the article above proves this also.

Many of those i spoke to mentioned that any opposition to the government are swiftly arrested and tortured and a lot of the times never even seen again. That is why they say they have to be very careful when talking about the government, politics and Mubarak but because of their anger and frustration they cannot help it a lot of the times.

May Allah rid this world of evil and corrupt puppets and replace them with honourable and true Muslim leaders. Ameen

 

[Woodrow]

A very grouchy admin does not like war zones on the threads.

Everybody stay on topic, I'm in a bad mood and do not own a dog to kick.

 

[Mike3449]

America has no ones best interest at heart save its own and perhaps the interests of the colonial settler Zionist cockroach state.. be that as it may Iran and America share very similar politics .. they've been each other's bed fellow for quit sometime!

are you that naive or just enjoy playing dumb?

neither traits is tolerable!

all the best

Did you know that we got Persia to Invade Turkey?

Long before the Zionist State existed.

I know that the Zionist State is like really important, don't misunderstand me about that. Cause like the Islamic World is very excited about it, so it must be important.

The Sudan is important, but the Muslim World cares nothing about it. So, I don't care about it. I care about the Zionist State though... K ?

 

[IslamicRevival]

A very grouchy admin does not like war zones on the threads.

Everybody stay on topic, I'm in a bad mood and do not own a dog to kick.

Sorry but that made me lol, Thanks brother