Muslim Population to grow by about 35% over the next 20 years

[Zafran]

Because the topic is about the Muslim population growth so I have focused on Muslim countries. I only brought up Western education levels in response to another poster.



Again, you are too sensitive. This is a Muslim forum therefore is it not natural to categorize someone as either Muslim or not Muslim? Heck, it's announced under our names on every post. I was simply trying to point out that stating facts about education levels and discussing its correlation with child bearing is not an attempt to be anti-Muslim as there were Muslims who were discussing it also.



I never claimed it was the only problem. That doesn't mean we should pretend the problem doesn't exist.

You should have brought up other african countries as well as india as they are clearly in the same region of muslim majority countires that have bad literacy rate

Each muslim is an indivdual who thinks for her or himself to put them in a category is like putting all "YOU" non muslims in the same one category.

Never said there wasnt any literacy problem in some countries around the world especially around africa and sub continent

 

[titus]

But what does the literacy rate of Liberia have to do with the discussion and why should I have brought it up?

Is it my responsibility to point out other nations that have bad literacy rates in order to make you somehow feel better when it has nothing to do with the discussion?

Never said there wasnt any literacy problem in some countries around the world especially around africa and sub continent

And if someone starts a thread on the birth rate in Africa and the sub continent then I might post some facts about that.

Each muslim is an indivdual who thinks for her or himself to put them in a category is like putting all "YOU" non muslims in the same one category.

Again I do not know why you find that offensive. Woodrow is one of your fellow Muslims. Glo is one of my fellow non-Muslims. Me and Glo don't always agree, but we are fellow non-Muslims and there is nothing wrong with that. I believe you are reading far too much into my posts that doesn't exist. I never claimed, nor remotely thought, that all Muslims feel the same way or cannot think for themselves and it is ridiculous that I am being put in a position where I have to defend myself on that point.

 

[Zafran]

But what does the literacy rate of Liberia have to do with the discussion and why should I have brought it up?

Is it my responsibility to point out other nations that have bad literacy rates in order to make you somehow feel better when it has nothing to do with the discussion

Maybe if you looked closer the countries such as Afghanistan, pakistan border with India - the african countries that have low literacy rate all have low leverls maybe its a regional problem.

 

[Dagless]

Myself and some of your fellow Muslims (including Woodrow) have explained some of the reasons that there is a correlation between the level of education of someone and the number of children they have.

The reason people are getting annoyed is because you've stated it like one fact is directly related to the other. A does not cause B. Please post the entire report and lets see.
The report will almost certainly state that people who live in poorer countries have more children because less survive childhood or maybe those in educated countries work longer hours and so have less time for kids. Whatever it is you can be sure that childbirth numbers are not dictated directly by level of education. The point is completely warped and not worth mentioning, which is why those who are skeptical look at your posts with suspicion.

 

[titus]

Whatever it is you can be sure that childbirth numbers are not dictated directly by level of education.

For the most part there is a direct correlation. Let me post this again:

Argue why the correlation exists all you want, but the fact remains that there is a strong correlation between education level and number of children.

If bringing this up offends anyone then that person needs to figure out why they are offended, but don't get mad at the messenger.

 

[Dagless]

For the most part there is a direct correlation. Let me post this again:

Argue why the correlation exists all you want, but the fact remains that there is a strong correlation between education level and number of children.

If bringing this up offends anyone then that person needs to figure out why they are offended, but don't get mad at the messenger.

A correlation does not mean cause and effect which is what you imply. Let me post this again:

Argue all you want but we need to save the planet and help those pirates. The correlations don't lie!!

 

[جوري]

A correlation does not mean cause and effect which is what you imply. Let me post this again:

Argue all you want but we need to save the planet and help those pirates. The correlations don't lie!!

:haha: I love it.. do you think he's beginning to understand like ben ali?

Ben Ali’s final words in his speech to the nation were “I understand you now, I understand you.”

 

[titus]

A correlation does not mean cause and effect which is what you imply. Let me post this again:

Myself and other posters have given reasons why we believe this correlation exists. Go back and read them. I actually did not comment on the topic until after a few Muslim members already had. Guestfellow commented on the correlation. Woodrow made this comment:

Years ago when more women started getting advanced degrees several studies were made that I can remember, those studies indicated the more education a woman had the less children she had.

It makes sense when you think about it. The more education awoman has usually means the longer she has put off marriage for school, reducing the number of child bearing years she will have after marriage.

A more recent study seems to show this trend is continuing.

Vales Lilly responded by saying:

That is very true!

Which is funny when you consider that later she finds bringing up the correlation to be offensive or denies it exists.

I urge you not to fall into the trap that Vales likes to set in which every topic has to become a Muslim vs. non-Muslim battle. It's like a cancer. When I started this topic it was not my intention, nor was it anyones intention to be negative towards anyone else until she started posting on it attacking me.

In the original post I said they were working on their study on the Christian population next. If I am still around I will post those results when that study is done also. I have no doubt that there will be a strong correlation between education and childbirth in that study too, and it won't be because I want Christians to look "stupid", it will be because the correlation is real and there are reasons for it.

 

[جوري]

That is very true! Which is funny when you consider that later she finds bringing up the correlation to be offensive or denies it exists.

You should quote me in context, you wouldn't find it funny, you'd find yourself in an embarrassing predicament as you so often find yourself when you can't espouse the references you use with some tangible truth!

all the best

 

[titus]

In context you can look at post #18. It is short and can hardly be taken out of context. I will reprint it in its entirety here:

Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

It makes sense when you think about it. The more education awoman has usually means the longer she has put off marriage for school, reducing the number of child bearing years she will have after marriage.

That is very true!

 

[Dagless]

Myself and other posters have given reasons why we believe this correlation exists. Go back and read them. I actually did not comment on the topic until after a few Muslim members already had. Guestfellow commented on the correlation. Woodrow made this comment:

Years ago when more women started getting advanced degrees several studies were made that I can remember, those studies indicated the more education a woman had the less children she had.

It makes sense when you think about it. The more education awoman has usually means the longer she has put off marriage for school, reducing the number of child bearing years she will have after marriage.

A more recent study seems to show this trend is continuing.

Vales Lilly responded by saying:

That is very true!

Which is funny when you consider that later she finds bringing up the correlation to be offensive or denies it exists.

I myself tried giving possible examples, but when you first posted it you did not. I also asked you to post the whole report, but you didn't.

I urge you not to fall into the trap that Vales likes to set in which every topic has to become a Muslim vs. non-Muslim battle. It's like a cancer. When I started this topic it was not my intention, nor was it anyones intention to be negative towards anyone else until she started posting on it attacking me.

I'm hardly new on the board and have seen many of your posts before. There is no question of Muslims vs. Non-Muslims. I stated that correlation does not mean cause and effect. I stand by that.

In the original post I said they were working on their study on the Christian population next. If I am still around I will post those results when that study is done also. I have no doubt that there will be a strong correlation between education and childbirth in that study too, and it won't be because I want Christians to look "stupid", it will be because the correlation is real and there are reasons for it.

I see no problem with that as long as you post the whole report. If there is correlation then you should state why, ie. stating the steps/reasons in between - this is what any report would do.

 

[جوري]

In context you can look at post #18. It is short and can hardly be taken out of context. I will reprint it in its entirety here:

and that is what dagless is presenting as cause and effect.. something that is elusive to you for some reason!

 

[titus]

I myself tried giving possible examples, but when you first posted it you did not. I also asked you to post the whole report, but you didn't.

There is a link in the original post. You can find the entire report on that site.

I stated that correlation does not mean cause and effect. I stand by that.

I am not the one that brought up the correlation. Nor was the second, the third nor the fourth to bring it up or comment on it or come up with a theory as to why the correlation exists. Do you think those who posted before me are attempting to paint Muslim women as stupid and Westerners as smart? Or just me?

As for cause and effect I think Woodrow had some great comments on possible reasons for the increase in education leading to a decrease in the number of children.

Why do you believe the correlation exists? Or do you simply think it is a huge coincidence?

and that is what dagless is presenting as cause and effect.. something that is elusive to you for some reason!

You seemed to find credence with the length of education and therefore starting child bearing early as a reason for the cause and effect. Have you changed your mind since then?

 

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You seemed to find credence with the length of education and therefore starting child bearing early as a reason for the cause and effect. Have you changed your mind since then?

How does my agreement with something brother woodrow has written to do with what you personally conclude or write?

 

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I suspect that at some point on your way to 4,723 posts you too had made 666 posts.

Thats correct sir!, but the beast can only be from texas....im not from texas

the beast has a cousin he's called George and George once ran for the House of Representatives.


sorry if all of this sounds a bit too coarse and bushy.

 

[titus]

How does my agreement with something brother woodrow has written to do with what you personally conclude or write?

Woodrow gave a plausible explanation for the correlation between education and the number of children women had. You agreed with it.

You then attacked me when I discussed the correlation, and another person said I was trying to make Muslim women look stupid (which is absurd).

That either means you changed your mind or you are a hypocrite simply trying to attack me for anything I post. I lean toward the latter.

 

[جوري]

Woodrow gave a plausible explanation for the correlation between education and the number of children women had. You agreed with it.

You then attacked me when I discussed the correlation, and another person said I was trying to make Muslim women look stupid (which is absurd).

That either means you changed your mind or you are a hypocrite simply trying to attack me for anything I post. I lean toward the latter.

Woodrow's plausible comment can't be made akin to your vacuous statements and ridiculous links which don't follow from any presented premise.. as for what you lean toward, well that is just your own psychology projecting and I'd say being a hypocrite would require some deliberate thought on your part and I just don't believe you're capable of an independent thought..

all the best

 

[Pygoscelis]

Your basically saying muslim women are stupid and western women are smart becasue they can read and write. Futhermore that means that stupid women have more children and smarter women have less.

That actually would make no sense at all and I don't think even an islamophobe would claim that. I do agree with him that women are less educated in those areas of the world he pointed to, but that is likely due to a myriad of factors, wealth being the most pertinent.

It should not surprise anyone that the rich nations of the world have a better educated populace than the poorer.

Another poster here pointed out the cultural factors involved, besides religion. There is definitely a social taboo factor going on regarding women and education in some of these areas. It may have nothing to do with the Quran, but it is certainly part of the the culture.