Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

[GuestFellow]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Not really suprising since Islam's going to be the last unchanged religion left one day.

Yes, I've noticed that. The government and some institutes will pressure Islamic groups to make gay marriage acceptable, especially if it funds these groups.

I remember David Cameron said in his speech that Islamic groups that are against British laws (e.g. civil partnerships) will not be given any funding.

So if they are any Islamic groups that openly support civil partnership, we will know why.

 

[Ramadhan]

As I understand it, the drive to allow gay marriage comes from government.

When was the last time you were in a church?

These were a couple of news by BBC from 2005 and 2009, and it is very likely the number of churches that bless same sex marriage has increased.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4651803.stm

US Church backs same-sex marriage

The million-strong United Church of Christ (UCC) has become the first major US Christian denomination to come out in support of gay marriage.





http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/christianethics/samesexmarriage.shtml

Same-sex marriage is a divisive issue in many Christian churches, but not all.

Christian attitudes to same-sex marriage
In the Church of England, many Anglican clergy already bless same-sex couples on an unofficial basis but there is no authorised ceremony in England.
The Anglican Communion still remains divided on the issue of homosexuality. Its first openly gay bishop - Gene Robinson of New Hampshire - visited the UK in November 2005 to celebrate the tenth anniversary of Changing Attitude, a group which campaigns for equality for lesbian and gay Anglicans in Britain.

 

[Ramadhan]

know it is in the Old Testament. But is it in anything Jesus said himself?

who says christians follow anything that jesus (p) say? are you really that naive or pretend to be?

If they did, they would not have worshipped Jesus.

 

[Trumble]

I think Trumble meant some mothers like to see their children get married in Churches? Since it is traditional. Some women like to see their children get married in a Cinderella fairytale environment...

Thank you; exactly. I'm glad somebody is paying attention!

 

[جوري]

I think Trumble meant some mothers like to see their children get married in Churches? Since it is traditional. Some women like to see their children get married in a Cinderella fairytale environment...

I understand what he meant, however the 'fairytale' ends when your son is marrying a dude or your daughter is marrying another broad.
I don't see anything satisfying about that on any level!

 

[Ramadhan]

It's only a matter of time before a church bless a marriage between a father and his daughter.

 

[glo]

When was the last time you were in a church?

This morning. Why do you ask?

These were a couple of news by BBC from 2005 and 2009, and it is very likely the number of churches that bless same sex marriage has increased.

I think you are confused by the difference in a blessing of a gay relationship and a same-sex marriage.

The first may be something that has been practiced in various churches for some time, but the latter is a very recent development. BTW, the change in law to allow gay people to have a marriage-style ceremony in places of worship - as far as I understand - has not been approved yet. At this moment in time it is something the Coalition government is considering a change.

 

[Danah]

I personally don't understand why gay couples would seek a church wedding as opposed to a civil one? This is clearly not a union recognized by God, so what is the point of this?

May be to make it looks "normal" to the society if the church approved and recognized such "marriage"!

It's only a matter of time before a church bless a marriage between a father and his daughter.

SubhanAllah the last hour is near!!
May Allah save us!

 

[Pygoscelis]

It's only a matter of time before a church bless a marriage between a father and his daughter.

.... or to bless a marriage between a married man and an additional wife. :embarrass

I think once Homosexual Marriage becomes mainstream poligamy may be next, not incestual marriage.

Personally I oppose state recognized marriage and special rights for married people altogether (it is discrimination against single people) so I really have no horse in this race.

My outsider's point of view solution would be this:

Have the state recognize something we call "civil union" that carries with it all the legal rights marriage now does. Have this "civil union" be a contract that any pair of people can enter (or maybe threesomes or foursomes). Men can enter this with women, with men, with friends, with siblings, whatever. Have no romantic or spiritual attachment to it whatsoever.

Then have "marriage" be a spiritual bond between people, with no legal implicaitons or rights attached to it. Then various religions may recognize (or reject) people as being in marriages however they like, and they need not agree with one another. The pious church or mosque can then reject homosexual marriage while the liberal one accepts it. The mormons or muslims could have poligamous marriage and the christian church need not recognize it.

I see this homosexual marriage issue as opening up a broader issue of the separation of church and state. The church has no business telling the state who should be entitled to certain legal rights. And equally, the state has no business telling the church who must be recognized as being in a spiritual union.

Would you accept this compromise? If not, why not?

 

[جوري]

SubhanAllah the last hour is near!!

very true:

When men lie with men and women lie with women (Al-Haythami)
Bearing false witness will become widespread (Al-Haythami & Ahmad)

http://etori.tripod.com/dajjalsystem/judgement.html

this is it.. we're truly in one of the worst of times..

 

[Ramadhan]

This morning. Why do you ask?

It just seemed that you are out of touch with the current trend among the more "enlightened" churches.

I think you are confused by the difference in a blessing of a gay relationship and a same-sex marriage.

read again in the articles about gay marriage by United Church of christ.

Oh, and I see that you are playing semantics again.

 

[جوري]

Can somebody show me where in the bible Jesus speaks against homosexuality?

Nope. That's because he didn't. The nearest he got to mentioning sexual relationships was in Matthew 19:5 (also in Mark 10:7)

maybe you ought to read your bible sometime Glo?

2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but *****mongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality.
The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.”
Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality.




all the best!

 

[Ramadhan]

I think once Homosexual Marriage becomes mainstream poligamy may be next, not incestual marriage.

I was not talking about what's next.

I said "it's only a matter of time before a church bless marriage between a father and his daughter"

not long ago, a practicing homosexual would be expelled and ostracized from his church, but now the same homosexual can bring in his sodomy partner and have their sodomy relations blessed by a pastor/priest on behalf of the father/jesus/holy spirit in a holy matrimony.

As I have previously said, christianity is on a slippery slope since its inception by paul.

 

[Ramadhan]

maybe you ought to read your bible sometime Glo?

I've just asked her when she went to a church last time!

 

[جوري]

more:

Leviticus 18 and 20

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code, contain the following verses:
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV) Romans 1

“ (26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.humna humna...

Jesus loves ya..

all the best

 

[جوري]

I've just asked her when she she went to a church last time!

The church of the poisoned minds?..
we all knew our dear glo has been following her whims that is not news..... what disturbs me however is disseminating the wrong info.. surely she's heard of google for cross reference even if she doesn't know what her religions is about?

 

[BoredAgnostic]

Aslaam O likum

Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

This has been running in the press for many days.

Even if Churches are given the choice of allowing gays to be married in Church, I don't think its a good idea. It's already a struggle for gays to have their civil unions fully recognized and to receive all the legal benefits of marriage, so its just treading in dangerous waters to allow this. Too much bigotry in the world as it is, don't need to give hate-filled people more of a reason to protest by getting married in that type of place. You don't need a church to validate your love and commitment to another person.

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

It's only a matter of time before a church bless a marriage between a father and his daughter.

Even i thought the same....when i saw the title of this thread...But there many more combinations left...they will acheive it.

 

[جوري]

don't need a church to validate your love and commitment to another person.

You're right..all you need is Cupid's itch..


all the best

 

[glo]

The church of the poisoned minds?..
we all knew our dear glo has been following her whims that is not news..... what disturbs me however is disseminating the wrong info.. surely she's heard of google for cross reference even if she doesn't know what her religions is about?

Still engaging in slander and back-biting, I see, Lily ... A shame really, because it prevents any sensible conversations ...

Anyway, thank you for your lessons in Bible study!

Pygo asked about what Jesus himself said about homosexuality.
None of the Bible verses you quote are from Jesus. They either come from the Old Testament or were written after Jesus' death, most likely by Paul ...

God bless.