Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

[Trumble]

I am sure you will be happy and pleasantly surprised to find out that the atheists of your fellow buddhists are among those at the forefront of forced marriages for lesbian daughters

Were there anything in any of those that stated the parents concerned were Buddhists, I most certainly wouldn't be. However, that does seem likely and I'm afraid neither Buddhists nor atheists are guaranteed to be free of homophobia or bigotism in general. This was encouraging, though.

There are conflicting opinions within Khmer Buddhism as to the morality of homosexuality. While some texts condemn homosexuality as immoral, there are others that say it does not conflict with Buddhist ideology. During a recent workshop for LGBT people and their families, a highly regarded monk explained that Buddhist teaching simply asks that people live good lives, regardless of who they loved.

I'm not sure why you included the last. It is about transgender people, not lesbians.

 

[ardianto]

I never claimed that it was. It has not, however been inhibited by those things or at least, if it has, the more inhibition the better!


Anyway, back on topic, the homophobic contingent is really gonna like this.

British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Maybe they assume if story of Prophet Luth/Lot (as) that mentioned in Qur'an is just a fiction.

Al-A'raaf : 80-84
Huud : 77-83
As-Shuaraa : 160-173
Al-Hijr : 59-74
An-Naml : 54-58
Al-Ankabut : 26-33

 

[جوري]

Maybe they assume if story of Prophet Luth/Lot (as) that mentioned in Qur'an is just a fiction.

Al-A'raaf : 80-84
Huud : 77-83
As-Shuaraa : 160-173
Al-Hijr : 59-74
An-Naml : 54-58
Al-Ankabut : 26-33

There is no such thing as gay and Muslim.. They have to choose one or the other.. and they're certainly more than welcome to leave a religion that under no circumstance will make this abomination an allowance!

 

[GuestFellow]

One problem is in how to define marriage.

Legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners.

^ Definition of marriage according to Microsoft Dictionary. I could use the Cambridge Dictionary but it is so big. :skeleton:

Are some people actually claiming that legalization of homosexuality will lead to man - goat or pedophilia ?

No.

lol, that's the funniest thing. This is their desperate attempt to be recognised by everyone. But there you go, that's how stupid they are.

Yes, it is a matter of acceptance.

If there's nothing unacceptable about it then why shouldn't we say it's acceptable ;\

A member said homosexuality is unacceptable due to religion. So I'm asking you what makes homosexuality acceptable? I would like to hear your arguments for supporting homosexuality, that is all.

Anyway, back on topic, the homophobic contingent is really gonna like this.

British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I'm not surprised.

 

[Woodrow]

^ Definition of marriage according to Microsoft Dictionary. I could use the Cambridge Dictionary but it is so big. :skeleton:


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From Merrian Webster:

mar·riage
noun \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Definition of MARRIAGE
1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2
: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities

the definition of marriage seems to depend on who is writing the definition.

 

[Trumble]

There is no such thing as gay and Muslim.. They have to choose one or the other.. and they're certainly more than welcome to leave a religion that under no circumstance will make this abomination an allowance!

Obviously some people who consider themselves muslim disagree with you, and do not accept they 'have' to choose.

 

[GuestFellow]

Obviously some people who consider themselves muslim disagree with you, and do not accept they 'have' to choose.

I agree that people do not choose their sexual attraction. There are people attracted to strange things like objects and even anime characters. People, however, can control their sexual urges. So if two male Muslims have sex, then they chose to do this.

 

[جوري]

Obviously some people who consider themselves muslim disagree with you, and do not accept they 'have' to choose.

They very much have to choose.. and I have posted a story of a Muslim (homosexual) here before who made the choice to become Muslim over his base sexual desires and feels 'cured' of his unnatural attractions.. went on to marry and have a happy life, started a website to help others like him.

So yes it is a choice..You don't get to define the terms of the religion and neither do they. Islam is a done deal, the book has been written.. there are no reformations! If you desire to practice homosexuality then you can't be a Muslim!

all the best

 

[GuestFellow]

Islam is a done deal, the book has been written.. there are no reformations! If you desire to practice homosexuality then you can't be a Muslim!

all the best

I disagree there. There are Muslims that commit serious sins such as rape and murder. These Muslims, however, are still Muslim but not very good ones.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Obviously some people who consider themselves muslim disagree with you, and do not accept they 'have' to choose.

No, its to do with understanding the basics of Islam. The idea of 'Gay' Islamic marriage is preposterous - do these people even understand the basics of the faith? The history of the faith? This is basic BASIC stuff. Islam does not permit same-sex Islamic marriage period.

End of discussion.

He reasons that to deny gay Muslim couples the right to a religious union, goes against teachings in the Koran.
Speaking to 5 live Investigates, he says: "Since Islamic legal precedence does not allow same sexes to wed, Muslim societies make it a legal impossibility within Islam [but] by not allowing same-sex couples to wed, there is a direct attack on the Koran's message that each person has a mate who is their 'comfort and their cloak'."

This is so moronic one wonders how to begin. This is an affront to basic BASIC Islamic scholarship, seriously +o(

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

So, whatever the outcome and whatever out personal stance, we as religious communities have to get our heads around this, and learn to deal with our homosexual friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way.

I don't see why we have to be accepting of someone who is openly living a sinful life. Would you feel that way about a pedophile or a rapist living next door?

Trying to see life from the viewpoint of others is something I sometimes feel challenged about, but more often get excited by.

I am repulsed by the idea of getting to know what 'goes on in the head' of a fag or a dyke.

 

[Tyrion]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I don't see why we have to be accepting of someone who is openly living a sinful life. Would you feel that way about a pedophile or a rapist living next door?I am repulsed by the idea of getting to know what 'goes on in the head' of a fag or a dyke.

Wow, where to begin? First off, calling them "fags" or "dykes" isn't really very Islamic of you. Actually, nothing you've said here seems particularly Islamic, and I suggest you spend some time trying to better yourself (according to the Prophet's (pbuh) example perhaps?) instead of running your mouth here. Realize that you, and everyone else, is technically living a sinful life, and if you don't think you are then you're lying to yourself. Treating someone like a human being does not mean you have to compromise your beliefs. Nobody wants you to say that it's okay in Islam for someone to engage in homosexual behavior. We all know it's a sin. But you don't have a right to be such a prick.

For all you know, those "fags" and "dykes" are in better standing with God then you are.

 

[IslamicRevival]

There is no such thing as gay and Muslim.. They have to choose one or the other.. and they're certainly more than welcome to leave a religion that under no circumstance will make this abomination an allowance!

Disagree and Islamically i would have thought you are wrong. Its a sin, albeit a major one but it does not take anyone out of the fold of Islam if committed.
May Allah Azzawajal keep us away from such evil
Ameen

 

[Tyrion]

There is no such thing as gay and Muslim.. They have to choose one or the other.. and they're certainly more than welcome to leave a religion that under no circumstance will make this abomination an allowance!

there are no reformations! If you desire to practice homosexuality then you can't be a Muslim!

I disagree there. There are Muslims that commit serious sins such as rape and murder. These Muslims, however, are still Muslim but not very good ones.

Disagree and Islamically i would have thought you are wrong. Its a sin, albeit a major one but it does not take anyone out of the fold of Islam if committed.
May Allah Azzawajal keep us away from such evil
Ameen

I wanted to post something similar earlier, but you two (Guestfellow & Lost Identity) beat me to it... Here's a video that I was reminded of that might help clarify some things:

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Ah... This topic for some reason reminds me of Iran's president... When he said to Americans, "atleast we don't have gays" lol.

Anyways, I'm just curious, is there such a thing as Gay Animals?

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I don't see why we have to be accepting of someone who is openly living a sinful life. Would you feel that way about a pedophile or a rapist living next door?I am repulsed by the idea of getting to know what 'goes on in the head' of a fag or a dyke.

There is no need to use offensive terms.

But you don't have a right to be such a prick.

There is no need to call anyone a "prick."

You, however, did raise good points. All of us committed sins. I personally have committed terrible sins (e.g. leaving Islam), so I am in no position to judge anyone. I doubt anyone here is perfect, so the same applies to you all. Yes homosexuality is a sin but we have to treat them like human beings and there is no need to use offensive terms to portray the seriousness of the sin. The punishment of this sin should be sufficient to show others how serious this sin is.

We do not have to accept homosexuality but we have to tolerate it, like how we tolerate other sins.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Ah... This topic for some reason reminds me of Iran's president... When he said to Americans, "atleast we don't have gays" lol.

I really did not expect him to say that when I listened to his speech at the University.

Anyways, I'm just curious, is there such a thing as Gay Animals?

From what I have heard, homosexuality has been documented in the animal kingdom but I remember my science teacher telling the class that animals have no control over their sexual urges (not sure if it is true). In addition, what occurs in the animal kingdom does not mean it is healthy for humans...the black widow spider is one example. :skeleton:

 

[Tyrion]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

There is no need to call anyone a "prick."

Prick is just another way of saying "obnoxious"... Would you rather I used that instead? I thought it was fairly appropriate.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Wow, where to begin? First off, calling them "fags" or "dykes" isn't really very Islamic of you. Actually, nothing you've said here seems particularly Islamic, and I suggest you spend some time trying to better yourself (according to the Prophet's (pbuh) example perhaps?) instead of running your mouth here. Realize that you, and everyone else, is technically living a sinful life, and if you don't think you are then you're lying to yourself. Treating someone like a human being does not mean you have to compromise your beliefs. Nobody wants you to say that it's okay in Islam for someone to engage in homosexual behavior. We all know it's a sin. But you don't have a right to be such a prick.

For all you know, those "fags" and "dykes" are in better standing with God then you are.

For those unfamiliar with American slang, a few definitions:

Fag - short for faggot - is a pejorative term and common homophobic slur used chiefly in North America against homosexual males. Its pejorative use has spread from the United States to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world through mass culture, including movies, music, and the Internet.

Pejoratives are words or grammatical forms that denote a negative effect; that is, they express the contempt or distaste of the speaker.

Dyke - slang terminology referring to a lesbian or lesbianism. It originated as a derogatory label for a masculine or butch woman, and this usage still exists. However, some attempt to use it in a manner they see as positive, or simply as a neutral synonym for lesbian.To some extent the word has been reappropriated.

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Prick just means obnoxious. I think it was rather appropriate...

You'd be surprised...

3. taboo term: a highly offensive term for a penis (taboo)

4. taboo term: a highly offensive term for a man regarded as inadequate or unpleasant (taboo)

^ Microsoft Dictionary....there were other definitions but not necessarily relevant...

 

[Tyrion]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

You'd be surprised...



^ Microsoft Dictionary....there were other definitions but not necessarily relevant...

Lol, yes, I know that the word has multiple definitions. Lots of words have multiple definitions. I was using it as a synonym for obnoxious, which I thought would be obvious... It should have at least been obvious that I wasn't referring to him as a penis.

For those unfamiliar with American slang, a few definitions:

Fag - short for faggot - is a pejorative term and common homophobic slur used chiefly in North America against homosexual males. Its pejorative use has spread from the United States to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world through mass culture, including movies, music, and the Internet.

Pejoratives are words or grammatical forms that denote a negative effect; that is, they express the contempt or distaste of the speaker.

Dyke - slang terminology referring to a lesbian or lesbianism. It originated as a derogatory label for a masculine or butch woman, and this usage still exists. However, some attempt to use it in a manner they see as positive, or simply as a neutral synonym for lesbian.To some extent the word has been reappropriated.

Umm... What are you trying to show with this post? Are you just making sure everyone else understands the hatefulness of your last post?