Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

[Pygoscelis]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I am repulsed by the idea of getting to know what 'goes on in the head' of a fag or a dyke.

The irony is muslims saying hateful things like this and then complaining about the west hating on muslims.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Does this mean you will also learn to deal with your thieving friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way?
Does this mean you will also learn to deal with your rapists friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way?
Does this mean you will also learn to deal with your paedophile friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way?
[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]Does this mean you will also learn to deal with your serial murderer friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way?
Does this mean you will also learn to deal with your serial corruptor-dictator (like mubarak) friends/neighbours/brothers and sisters in a loving, caring and respectful way?

You forgot to mention bigots. Oh wait... nevermind.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

The irony is muslims saying hateful things like this and then complaining about the west hating on muslims.

The term faq and dyke have been reapproriated by the gays themselves and cease to be derogatory terms, and worn proudly by the homosexuals.

I dont see how mustafamc's can be hateful.

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

You forgot to mention bigots. Oh wait... nevermind.

Is your reading comprehension really that bad?

The discussion between glo and I was about sinful acts. I don't expect you as an atheist to understand what sins are, but on the other hand I also did not expect you to jump into discussion involving sins.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I didn't say we have to accept people's sinful lifestyles. But we have to accept that gay people exist and are part of our communities - and as faith communities we are called to find ways of living with others peacefully and in friendship.

I acknowledge that there are homosexuals in society, but I don't see that I should be accepting of them as my friends. Likewise if I know someone is an adulterer, then I do not take him as my friend.

I cannot equate homosexuals with paedophiles and rapists. The latter pose a risk to children and women, the first simply want to live a peaceful life with the partner of their choice.

...and they can do so quietly.

I know. I can tell your strength of feeling by the wording you have chosen.

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? If so, please point out where you disagree with me.

 

[GuestFellow]

You are right to doubt such a baseless claim. How could your science teacher possibly know that? Given that its a science teacher, I'd immediately call them on that. Too often people try to claim "only humans do this" and "only humans feel that". Sometimes we have data to back it up, but more often it is just human arrogance.

Oh that was a long time ago, I was in Year 10 (15 years old). I'm not sure what happened to him. :skeleton:

The term faq and dyke have been reapproriated by the gays themselves and cease to be derogatory terms, and worn proudly by the homosexuals.

Yes, some use it but others don't.

It is like the term ****** (sorry for using this term). Many people from all backgrounds find it offensive but some Black people use it...it does not mean it ceases to be derogatory.

 

[yas2010]

Salaam
Having orginally began this thread.

One of my main concerns is that Would the UK govt under the guise of Equality Bill/s 'force' mosques to follow suit, so allow homosexuals to marry in mosques....

 

[GuestFellow]

Would the UK govt under the guise of Equality Bill/s 'force' mosques to follow suit, so allow homosexuals to marry in mosques....

It will not work, even if the government tried. Muslims will not attend that mosque.

 

[جوري]

and none of your links prove that.

Then who is logically challenged?

And here is yet another common misconception about homosexuals; that sexual orientation is a choice. Do you really think that homosexuals CHOOSE to be attracted to the same gender? And do you think that a man who is attracted only to other men but doesn't act on it and takes a wife to try to hide it or deny it, isn't homosexual?

If you've been following any of my posts on the matter you'd have well come across my numerous posts stating that homosexuality is a psychological inclination and not a biological one, like any other condition the feelings can be had but not acted upon!
please read before you write as it gets tedious to repeat oneself!

If you think that homosexuality is a choice then I have to ask, did you choose to be heterosexual? Were you capable of being homosexual? If so, you have latent bisexual tendencies. Not all of us do.

See above reply.. heterosexuals don't jump the first person they're deeply attracted to simply because they've the inclination we'd call that rape.. I hazard say a large percentage of the population aren't mated at all 19 million women in the U.S alone over thirty haven't found a suitable partner and many settle for something they didn't want..
feelings and sex are separate issues.. the latter is always a choice!

all the best

 

[glo]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I acknowledge that there are homosexuals in society, but I don't see that I should be accepting of them as my friends. Likewise if I know someone is an adulterer, then I do not take him as my friend.
...and they can do so quietly.

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? If so, please point out where you disagree with me.

Hi Mustafa

I don't think I am disagreeing with you, more that we are disagreeing with each other - namely on whether we associate ourselves with homosexuals or not.

What I meant to say is that we can disagree on that point and still be friends. Do you agree?

 

[glo]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Hi Glo,

can you please answer my question at post #170?
thanks.

Which question, naidamar? I count a total of 8 separate questions in the post you refer to.

 

[glo]

Salaam
Having orginally began this thread.

One of my main concerns is that Would the UK govt under the guise of Equality Bill/s 'force' mosques to follow suit, so allow homosexuals to marry in mosques....

The stance at the moment is very clear in that places of worship/mosques/churches etc will be able to conduct marriage ceremonies for homosexuals, but don't have to if they choose not to.

So it increases the freedom of choice for the couple as well as the places of worship, rather than reducing it.


Mosques and churches are not forced to perform marriages for homosexuals, if it goes against their principles and beliefs!

 

[Tyrion]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

The irony is muslims saying hateful things like this and then complaining about the west hating on muslims.

Don't make it sound like he represents the rest of us.

The term faq and dyke have been reapproriated by the gays themselves and cease to be derogatory terms, and worn proudly by the homosexuals.

I dont see how mustafamc's can be hateful.

Are you blind? He wrote himself that he used those words precisely because they're hateful:

What we achieve is a sense of distaste and disapproval that is lost in the use of non-offensive terms like 'gay'. This is meant to counteract the sense of acceptance and approval I detected in the post that I had replied to. The intention is to not use watered down terms for what is sinful much like using 'committing adultery' instead of 'having an affair' or to call someone an 'adulterer' instead of a 'cheater'.

See? He wants to avoid using non-offensive terms... stop defending him.

 

[جوري]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Don't make it sound like he represents the rest of us.

I frankly couldn't careless what westerners think about Muslims or say.. in fact they offend us daily in every possible form and then scream about their rights to free speech. People are entitled to express themselves as they please.
If something is abhorrent it should be found abhorrent not watered down to suit the political climate!

all the best

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Which question, naidamar? I count a total of 8 separate questions in the post you refer to.

Well, if you can answer all those questions if possible

But more importantly:

Do you believe homosexual act is sinful?

and we go from there

 

[aemish]

I never understood this before, but why do the Judeo-Christian religions frown upon homosexuality exactly? It seems so petty?

 

[Ramadhan]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

Are you blind? He wrote himself that he used those words precisely because they're hateful: See? He wants to avoid using non-offensive terms... stop defending him.

Actually, I defend him precisely because of that. He speaks his distaste for a group of people who continue to be PROUD of their sinful acts and see nothing wrong in their sinful acts and in fact force everyone to approve their sinful acts.

It's no more distaste and no more hateful than saying that "Mubarak is evil" or "Bernie Madoff is a thief"

call a spade a spade.

 

[جوري]

I never understood this before, but why do the Judeo-Christian religions frown upon homosexuality exactly? It seems so petty?

isn't it?

look at all the pretty colors!

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: British gay Muslims seek Islamic weddings

I suppose I see what you're saying, but I still think its a tad bit too strict. It seems like from what you're saying, anyone who sins cannot be a Muslim. (if we just go by definitions...) I'm in no way saying homosexual acts are any less reprehensible in Islam, but I just think we need to be careful when we take away the title of "Muslim" from a person... We can just agree to disagree I guess.

Oh, I enjoyed the video though. Very interesting and beneficial story.

A Muslim that is not practicing (e.g. not praying, not fasting, etc) should be encouraged to do so. Nothing good is going to be achieved if we were to accuse them of being a non-Muslim.

We should correct Muslims if promoting views that are not in accordance with Islam but of course, take a calm and sensitive approach. There is no need to get aggressive or hostile.

From my experience, usually young Muslim men, take a hostile and aggressive approach towards homosexuality, as though, this is the only way to show that they disapprove of this sin. I'm not sure where this attitude comes from. I rarely see these Muslims get aggressive and hostile towards other sins like rape (the victim is sometimes blamed), adultery and fornication. There is some inconsistency towards how some Muslims feels towards sins. In fact, most of these Muslims did not know that sodomy can occur between a man and a women. I'm purely speaking from experience.

Tariq Ramadan

^ Anyway, I think his views should be taken into consideration.

 

[Ramadhan]

I never understood this before, but why do the Judeo-Christian religions frown upon homosexuality exactly? It seems so petty?

every religion frown upon homosexuality.