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[MartyrX]

Jews are sometimes criticized very harshly in the Qur'an, which is sadly often misunderstood by some Muslims as well as non-Muslims. These verses are referring to those Jews who did many bad things. By no means does this mean that every single Jew is "evil". Labling an entire group of people or race as evil is obviously absurd and inhumane and against the teachings of Islam.

That is very true. We have to remember that we need to respect and love everyone that believes.

 

[Argamemnon]

We have to remember that we need to respect and love everyone that believes.

Even if they don't believe in anything we have to treat people well (as long as they don't oppress or attack us), we can do business with them and have normal human interactions. A true Muslim is extremely merciful and just, though at the same time very strong and determined in case of self-defence.

 

[MartyrX]

Even if they don't believe in anything we have to treat people well (as long as they don't oppress or attack us), we can do business with them and have normal human interactions. A true Muslim is extremely merciful and just, though at the same time very strong and determined in case of self-defence.

Yes of course. That is what I should of put.

 

[KAding]

There is no war of the 'West' against 'Islam', just like 'Islam' is not at war with the 'West'.

Some Westerners are fighting some Muslims however, and vice versa.

And some Westerners consider Islam to be a dangerous and aggressive ideology, just like some Muslims consider Western ideas such as secularism/Christianity/liberalism a dangerous assault on their beliefs.

 

[جوري]

There is no war of the 'West' against 'Islam', just like 'Islam' is not at war with the 'West'.

Some Westerners are fighting some Muslims however, and vice versa.

And some Westerners consider Islam to be a dangerous and aggressive ideology, just like some Muslims consider Western ideas such as secularism/Christianity/liberalism a dangerous assault on their beliefs.

what a pedestrian analysis of what is going on in the world around you.. we're on the brink of world war three.. come out from under the rock and look at the tidal changes going on all over the middle east and the western ideological and physical wars going on against it..

 

[KAding]

what a pedestrian analysis of what is going on in the world around you.. we're on the brink of world war three.. come out from under the rock and look at the tidal changes going on all over the middle east and the western ideological and physical wars going on against it..

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq. That didn't start as a war on Islam and it still isn't a war on Islam. At best it can be described as the West supporting some Muslims over other Muslims. Considering the fact the US has perfectly normal and friendly relations with the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries just shows to me that this isn't a "War on Islam". That simply would not be possible if hate of Islam were driving US foreign policy.

I'm not sure what you mean with "ideological wars". Perhaps you could elaborate? The idea of ideologies competing with each other can hardly be described as a state of war.

 

[Argamemnon]

some Westerners consider Islam to be a dangerous and aggressive ideology

Don't you consider this a little ironic given that Western states have been attacking and plundering other nations for hundreds of years and are still doing it?

Anyway, I don't mind secularizm/liberalism in other countries because it's none of our business, but they should stop trying to export these, especially by force. Though, usually it's done by shaming and blaming and demonizing all Muslims and everything relating to Islam.

 

[Argamemnon]

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq.

Western states are also killing Muslim scientists in Iran and are threatening to attack this nation. In Iraq they have killed hundreds of leading Iraqi scientists. To be perfectly honest, western states are monsters, which is rather an understatement if you ask me. They don't even need to wage direct wars when there are many other aggressive and less aggressive methods at their disposal. They also control the UN and all other so-called "International" organizations so no need to attack every single country they dislike.

 

[Argamemnon]

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq.

How come you forgot Palestine, who exactly are protecting this illegal and aggressive entity? The West is also at war with Afghanistan and even Pakistan, though thank God the latter has nuclear weapons.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

Personally, I believe that the greatest danger that Muslims face is not from yet-to-be-believers but rather from other Muslims. Or to put it more accurately, from other people who profess to be Muslims.

The efforts of the so-called West (West is actually east to Japan, for example) to secularize Islam is nothing compared to the damage done by so-called Muslims to reform Islam. Call me old-fashioned or orthodox or whatever, but I am totally opposed to the idea that mere mortals can do anything to improve on what Allah has created. I have no exact data on whether the so-called West is actually waging war on Islam or otherwise but I consider it the duty of every right-thinking Muslim to wage total war on those who seek to subvert Islam under the guise of modernization.

Just because they cannot find the answer does not mean that the truth is not there in Islam. It just simply means that they have closed their heart to Nur Hidayah.

 

[Argamemnon]

Call me old-fashioned or orthodox or whatever, but I am totally opposed to the idea that mere mortals can do anything to improve on what Allah has created. I have no exact data on whether the so-called West is actually waging war on Islam or otherwise but I consider it the duty of every right-thinking Muslim to wage total war on those who seek to subvert Islam under the guise of modernization.

That depends on your definition of modernization of course. Islam has the ability to adapt to all ages and changes because it's the truth revealed by Allah. If modernization means changing the fundamentals of Islam (to please others or for whatever reason), then no. If modernization means correcting wrong beliefs and traditions, which were actually never part of Islam in the first place, but added later (which most Muslims are unaware of), then yes. But that's a seperate topic altogether.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Don't you consider this a little ironic given that Western states have been attacking and plundering other nations for hundreds of years and are still doing it?

This is a fair point, however I would argue it is the power imbalance that leads to this and not anything to do with ideology. The strong exploit the weak. This is how it has always been, going back to the Brittish Empire, The Roman Empire, The Egyptian and Babylonian Empires.

The overall culture and values of the modern west actually work against this today. There are plenty of westerners screaming out against their own leaders and deploring the actions that have taken place in Iraq and Afghanistan (I am but one of millions of them) and the values of hte west allow them to speak and even organize political forces (which do usually fail due to the power nad influence of the rich & elite). The people here are mostly with you, when they know the facts. The problem is a hyperactive propaganda machine and hte illusion of true democracy in the west.

 

[Pygoscelis]

we're on the brink of world war three..

No we're really not. And we won't be until two major world powers come into violent opposition. Places like Egypt and Libya, though I feel for the citizens, simply are not powerful enough to matter at that level (neither is Canada - though its alliance with the US and Europe sets it apart form those two).

Now, if Russia or China decide to take one side of a civil war in the middle east and the US or India or Europe takes another, then it could lead us into another cold war and truly put us on the brink of world war three. But I just don't see very strong signs of that happening yet.

As things are now, terrorism may become more severe, but world war three? Doubtful.

 

[Argamemnon]

This is a fair point, however I would argue it is the power imbalance that leads to this and not anything to do with ideology. The strong exploit the weak. This is how it has always been, going back to the Brittish Empire, The Roman Empire, The Egyptian and Babylonian Empires.

I agree that there is a huge power imbalance, but this does not make it right or acceptable does it? As a Muslim this way of thinking is against my core religious beliefs (the strong exploiting the weak). Even if I weren't a Muslim I still would not accept the "right" of the strong to exploit the weak as some Darwinists or evolutionists claim.

 

[GuestFellow]

I do believe that there will be an increase in terrorist attacks. The US government is not interested in tackling the root cause of the problem, which is its own foreign policy. I doubt the US and its allies will acknowledge their own mistakes and will continue to shift the blame to "Islamic extremism". I suspect the US will continue to use "democracy" as an excuse to invade countries for their own imperial adventure.

Blaming Islam and Muslims will result in number of domestic issues within western countries. Right wing politicians will blame Muslims in order to gain popularity and to divert attention from serious issues such as unemployment. These serious issues are unlikely to be resoled.

I'm not sure what is going to happen in the future. I think the neoconservatives will have a difficult time finding a good reason to attack Middle Eastern countries on the basis of democracy, if the protests are successful. The regimes are falling one by one. The neocons might claim that all these countries are going to be hostile to Israel.

I doubt there will be a world war three. There might be another cold war...

I wonder how the Kurdish issue might be resolved.

 

[marwen]

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq. That didn't start as a war on Islam and it still isn't a war on Islam. At best it can be described as the West supporting some Muslims over other Muslims. Considering the fact the US has perfectly normal and friendly relations with the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries just shows to me that this isn't a "War on Islam". That simply would not be possible if hate of Islam were driving US foreign policy.

are you serious ?!

 

[جوري]

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq. That didn't start as a war on Islam and it still isn't a war on Islam.

really just one war? so amidst the sea of wars waged you seem to have forgotten about Afghanistan? Do you see why it is perfectly legitimate to call your analysis pedestrian? The west can put the label of war against salted butter, it still won't change the facts of the matter any!

At best it can be described as the West supporting some Muslims over other Muslims.

Nonsense.. The west doesn't want to lose its imperialistic grip in that part of the world they've long considered their property and what a nightmare it is for them now that the people are willing to die to expunge their lands of these western instated despots!

Considering the fact the US has perfectly normal and friendly relations with the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries just shows to me that this isn't a "War on Islam". That simply would not be possible if hate of Islam were driving US foreign policy.

They have a 'normal' and 'friendly' relationship with secularized govt. and have a vested interest in keeping it so.. friendly relations with despots is obviously not proportional to friendly relations with the people.. the people have spoken and they don't want secularism nor 'friendly' relations with the west if the price is their very freedom!

I'm not sure what you mean with "ideological wars". Perhaps you could elaborate? The idea of ideologies competing with each other can hardly be described as a state of war.

What would you call it? if you recognize only swords and chariots as representative of a war state, then there is no point carrying out this conversation further!

all the best

No we're really not. And we won't be until two major world powers come into violent opposition. Places like Egypt and Libya, though I feel for the citizens, simply are not powerful enough to matter at that level (neither is Canada - though its alliance with the US and Europe sets it apart form those two).

war isn't about machinery, it is an intelligent thought.. Egypt took down the 500 million dollar bar lev line with water.. that is not the point though, since a world war three (which is inevitable) is bound to involve the entire middle east.. can machines overcome man power and gorilla warfare? I don't know we'll have to see!

Now, if Russia or China decide to take one side of a civil war in the middle east and the US or India or Europe takes another, then it could lead us into another cold war and truly put us on the brink of world war three. But I just don't see very strong signs of that happening yet.

Like I said we'll wait and see but one thing is for sure, there is no going back to the obsequiousness that once was and the people have so proven by paying with their lives..

As things are now, terrorism may become more severe, but world war three? Doubtful.

Yup.. the west will keep singing for that monster to rear its head.. question is can the west withstand more wars? they've already whittled themselves away, and the economy is notwithstanding.. it is all very amusing to watch but I definitely it is payback time decades worth of BS......

all the best

 

[Argamemnon]

There is one war in which the West is directly involved in the Middle East and that is Iraq. That didn't start as a war on Islam and it still isn't a war on Islam. At best it can be described as the West supporting some Muslims over other Muslims. Considering the fact the US has perfectly normal and friendly relations with the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries just shows to me that this isn't a "War on Islam". That simply would not be possible if hate of Islam were driving US foreign policy.

I'm not sure what you mean with "ideological wars". Perhaps you could elaborate? The idea of ideologies competing with each other can hardly be described as a state of war.

The Dutch government ACTIVELY supports Zionist aggression against Palestinians according to former prime minister Dries van Agt.

http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/algem...vistisch.ece?formmode=thanx&postingId=8283600

 

[Grace Seeker]

I believe that the Secular West is at war with Islam.

The secular]/b] west is at war with religion of any kind, including Islam, but not limited to it. It is also at war with Christianity, and Hinduism and Buddhism (though for some reason a bit more tolerant there). About the only religion that secularism is willing to accept is nominalism, be something in name only, but don't actually dare to practice it.

For example, in the USA, our Constitution says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In everyday life these words are designed to simply limit the role of government with regard to establishing and regulating religion in American life. But that intent seems to have been forgotten and replaced by the non-Constitutional phrase "separation of church and state." As a result, there is now an attempt to eliminate religion from public life, and not just that which is the result of government, but some have gone so far as to suggest that there can be no introduction of religion into corporate life of privately owned companies because they engage in business in the public sphere.

Similarly, Christian pastors (and I suppose Imams in mosques as well, though I haven't heard) have been told that there are some thing that we cannot speak about from our pulpits. The suggestion is that doing so is to engage in political discourse and a violation of this non-Constitutional concept of separation of church and state. So, not only are we restricted with regard to the practice of our religion, but also there is an attempt to control free speech.When a Constitutional right can be perverted in order to be used to eliminate the very thing that it is meant to guarantee, I call that a war on the whole concept of religion, not just Islam.

 

[Khalil_Allah]

Be calm, people. Even when Rasoolullah saws was facing imminent defeat in Madinah ghazwah khandaq, he still had good news for the believers.
Rasoolullah and al-Qur'an al-Kareem promise victory to the believers in death and in life. This is a promise from Allah. He created Islam and its supporters and its enemies, and He knows best.
Worry about being a believer, and seeking the favor of Allah. Strengthen your relationship with Allah by prayer and duaa. Be sincere and be thorough in these two things. When you seek the company of others, go to your family and seek the favor of Allah together. Outside of your family, you should first seek others who you admire for their iman. You can find good candidates in the front line at fajr. And with your group, you strive to seek the favor of Allah. This is the way of the Messenger and those before him. And as you see from their stories, you can spend your whole life trying to accomplish this.And you will get tests from Allah, and you will win some and lose some.
For these people, they are promised the victory. Madinah was getting hammered day in and day out for weeks from all the surrounding tribes. And it looked really bad, and the Muslims were greatly outnumbered. But what happened? Victory of Allah. The enemies packed up and left and the believers went on to defeat every single one of them.
Be calm when you read all these terrible news reports and remember that nothing happens without the will of Allah, because He created everything and He is powerful over all things. SubhanAllah!:shade: