what do christians & jews believe in?

[YM Usrah Umar]

obvious facts are:

christians

trinity, bible jesus as god etc etc

jews

moses as ther prohet, torah, uzair as son of god etc etc

could sum1 up quickly (bullet points or whatevr) what those faiths beleive in mainly, smaller things can be discussed also

but i was also wanting to ask....was i heard a story that the jews believe that 1 of the prophets had a fight with allah and that prophet beat allah (astaghfurullah......too too far) and allah said to him "i wasnt fully prepared, next time i will defeat you" (im sorry what? lol), this is what i heard but can sum1 tell me if that story is true and who it was etc?

and also the jews messiah is dajjal? is that correct?

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

lets jus rename this thread...wat we find offensive from christianity and judiasm? jazaks

 

[Ubeyde]

Dajjal is the Messiah of the Jews.

The Jews and the Christians are all waiting on a Prophet from Arabia to come and guide them, i.e. Prophet Muhamad Sallahu Alayhi Wasalam, but they reject him as prophet, so they still sit in wait for him.

I thought Jews believe that Musa Alayhi Salam was the son of God or something.. I read that in a very knowledgeable book, Stories of the Prophets.

Allah Alim.. Salaam

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

Dajjal is the Messiah of the Jews.

The Jews and the Christians are all waiting on a Prophet from Arabia to come and guide them, i.e. Prophet Muhamad Sallahu Alayhi Wasalam, but they reject him as prophet, so they still sit in wait for him.

I thought Jews believe that Musa Alayhi Salam was the son of God or something.. I read that in a very knowledgeable book, Stories of the Prophets.

Allah Alim.. Salaam

ok but how do the jews see dajjal as ther messiah? is it writtin in their books that they he will do this, looks like this, do this etc etc?

i dont think musa (as) but uzair (as) tho was mentioned as son of god (astaghfar)

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

im not hating on christianity or judiasm, i jus want to point out things that we dont accept.

heres the story of uzair being son of god (from stories of the prophets)

and there was only one copy of the Torah, which was hidden by Sarukha. He buried
it in the days of Nabuchadnezzar in a place none but Ezra knows." Ezra led the people to the
hidden place and took out that copy of the Torah. Its leaves had rotted, and the book itself
crumpled.

Ezra sat under the shade of a tree surrounded by the children of Israel and copied out the Torah
for them from that script. Henceforth, the Jews said that Ezra is the son of Allah, for two
evidences which came down from Heaven and for his copying the torah and for his fighting the
cause of the Israelites.

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

The Jews and the Christians are all waiting on a Prophet from Arabia to come and guide them,

I would like to offer a Christian perspective in answer to this statement you have made: as a Christian, I am not waiting on a Prophet from Arabia; rather, I wait for Jesus/Isa to return in the clouds of glory from Heaven.

 

[siam]

some of what is being said here seems to be based on inadequate knowledge....I hope that we Muslims will have the decency to at least seek accurate knowledge of the others beliefs...ignorance and or prejudice is wrong.......

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

some of what is being said here seems to be based on inadequate knowledge....I hope that we Muslims will have the decency to at least seek accurate knowledge of the others beliefs...ignorance and or prejudice is wrong.......

like what? most stuff mentioned here is true tho and common knowledge

 

[Woodrow]

like what? most stuff mentioned here is true tho and common knowledge

One error we make in speaking about christian beliefs is that much of what we speak of is Catholicism. the Catholic beliefs differ considerably from most of the other denominations.

Most of the Christian denominations of today came about after the 15th Century and most of the Bible only denominations (about 30,000 to date) came about after the 1850s.

We are somewhat out of date in understanding Christianity as to what it has become today.

 

[YieldedOne]

Woodrow:
One error we make in speaking about christian beliefs is that much of what we speak of is Catholicism. the Catholic beliefs differ considerably from most of the other denominations.

VERY aptly stated, Woodrow. I'd been noticing that for some time, per much of the argumentation I've experienced on this board from Muslim brothers and sisters seems to have been directed at Roman Catholic beliefs...with NO consideration of Eastern Christian tradition at all. Forget the post-Reformation Western "Bible-only" denominations. That's completely unhelpful when it comes to knowing about historical Christian belief, tradition, and doctrine. Without understanding Eastern Christianity (and Western--Roman Catholic), a person CANNOT get a full grasp of Christianity.

 

[Danah]

I would like to know more about Judaism since we already have lots of threads for Christianity.

I hope our Jewish members will post here.

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

I would like to know more about Judaism since we already have lots of threads for Christianity.

I hope our Jewish members will post here.

I do hope so as well.

 

[Woodrow]

I would like to know more about Judaism since we already have lots of threads for Christianity.

I hope our Jewish members will post here.

At the moment I do not think we have any Jewish Members except for one who may be, but I am not certain.

 

[Ramadhan]

I would like to offer a Christian perspective in answer to this statement you have made: as a Christian, I am not waiting on a Prophet from Arabia; rather, I wait for Jesus/Isa to return in the clouds of glory from Heaven.

You might be glad to know that muslims are also waiting for the same thing: we are waiting for Jesus (pbuh) to return to earth as al maseeh.
So Jesus (pbuh) will still be circumcised, he will be fasting for a full month, he will not drink and eat swine, he pray while prostrating on the ground, he will give zakat.

Sounds familiar?

Oh yeah, a billion of muslims are also like that.

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

You might be glad to know that muslims are also waiting for the same thing: we are waiting for Jesus (pbuh) to return to earth as al maseeh.

'Al Maseeh' meaning 'The Messiah' correct? That is wonderful, I am glad we both await Jesus.

So Jesus (pbuh) will still be circumcised, he will be fasting for a full month, he will not drink and eat swine, he pray while prostrating on the ground, he will give zakat. Sounds familiar? Oh yeah, a billion of muslims are also like that.

Intriguing, I am afraid I have no comment as to that. But I love to learn. So does this mean that you believe Jesus will return at the end of a Ramadan?

 

[YieldedOne]

Hmm...Unlike many Muslims, Christians don't believe that Jesus will come back after over 2000 years of being with God...just to DIE and become worm food after he establishes the Kingdom of God on earth for about 40 years.

Nope.

After the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus' prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks. Jesus' rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die. Muslims will then perform the funeral prayer for him and then bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad, Abu Bakr, and Umar (companions of Muhammad and the first and second Muslim caliphs respectively)

I mean, really. Isn't that a bit weird? For Jesus to be alive for over 2000 years in heaven with God only to die on earth after 40 years of ruling? How anti-climactic. PLUS it seems that Islamic eschatology says that Muhammad will be the raised FIRST on the day of universal bodily resurrection. So, Jesus lives for over 2000 years in God's Presence as God's Messiah and RULES as God's leader (all that time of which Muhammad is and remains dead)..but then after he dies, he's NOT even raised first??

This really just seems weird to me, in a way...

 

[Danah]

'Al Maseeh' meaning 'The Messiah' correct? That is wonderful, I am glad we both await Jesus.
Intriguing, I am afraid I have no comment as to that. But I love to learn. So does this mean that you believe Jesus will return at the end of a Ramadan?

I think you need to watch this video:

long one but it worth watching as it will clarify what Muslims think of prophet Jesus (peace be upon him)

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

Hmm...Unlike many Muslims, Christians don't believe that Jesus will come back after over 2000 years of being with God...just to DIE and become worm food after he establishes the Kingdom of God on earth for about 40 years.

Nope.

After the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus' prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks. [/I]Jesus' rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die. Muslims will then perform the funeral prayer for him and then bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad, Abu Bakr, and Umar (companions of Muhammad and the first and second Muslim caliphs respectively)

I mean, really. Isn't that a bit weird? For Jesus to be alive for over 2000 years in heaven with God only to die on earth after 40 years of ruling? How anti-climactic. PLUS it seems that Islamic eschatology says that Muhammad will be the raised FIRST on the day of universal bodily resurrection. So, Jesus lives for over 2000 years in God's Presence as God's Messiah and RULES as God's leader (all that time of which Muhammad is and remains dead)..but then after he dies, he's NOT even raised first??

This really just seems weird to me, in a way...

so what dude? this is up to allah (swt), also a sign to humanity. isa(as) will come down and will confirm which is the right religion

Intriguing, I am afraid I have no comment as to that. But I love to learn. So does this mean that you believe Jesus will return at the end of a Ramadan?

not in the end of ramadhan i dont think, can i ask where did u get the ramadhan part from my friend?

Woodrow:
One error we make in speaking about christian beliefs is that much of what we speak of is Catholicism. the Catholic beliefs differ considerably from most of the other denominations.

VERY aptly stated, Woodrow. I'd been noticing that for some time, per much of the argumentation I've experienced on this board from Muslim brothers and sisters seems to have been directed at Roman Catholic beliefs...with NO consideration of Eastern Christian tradition at all. Forget the post-Reformation Western "Bible-only" denominations. That's completely unhelpful when it comes to knowing about historical Christian belief, tradition, and doctrine. Without understanding Eastern Christianity (and Western--Roman Catholic), a person CANNOT get a full grasp of Christianity.

im sorry what? i thought it was only protestant and catholic? is eastern catholic protestant? if yes or no what do they believe in?

 

[YieldedOne]

YM Usrah Umar:
im sorry what? i thought it was only protestant and catholic? is eastern catholic protestant? if yes or no what do they believe in?

Protestantism began as Martin Luther's attempt to REFORM Roman Catholicism. He never intended to separate from the RCC faith (but it happened later anyways). But neither Protestantism nor Roman Catholicism are what Eastern Christianity is.

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

not in the end of ramadhan i dont think, can i ask where did u get the ramadhan part from my friend?

I am not so certain myself, I am fairly uneducated in Islam theology still. That's why I came here!