what do christians & jews believe in?

[YM Usrah Umar]

YM Usrah Umar:
im sorry what? i thought it was only protestant and catholic? is eastern catholic protestant? if yes or no what do they believe in?

Protestantism began as Martin Luther's attempt to REFORM Roman Catholicism. He never intended to separate from the RCC faith (but it happened later anyways). But neither Protestantism nor Roman Catholicism are what is.

so now thers protestant, catholic and eastern christianity? either wya my friend...same bible...same teachings no? if not, what differs? explain in the simplest terms to me because i am abit stupid lol

I am not so certain myself, I am fairly uneducated in Islam theology still. That's why I came here!

oh lol ok, nah he wont come in ramadhan but he will come back down sometime tho.

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

oh also the day of sabbath for the jews, do they still hav to lik not work on that day or even help someone for that matter? do they still do that?

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

heres what the jews believe about their messiah (which is dajjal and heres why)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

# Reinstatement of the Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-27)

 

[UsayIsaIsayGod]

Cool posts sir. I would like to add that it is my understanding that the False Messiah (Dajjal as you would say) will be of the Jews as well.

 

[Woodrow]

so now thers protestant, catholic and eastern Christianity? either wya my friend...same bible...same teachings no? if not, what differs? explain in the simplest terms to me because i am abit stupid lol


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In the largest groupings which are Protestants, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox the main differences are in Church canons, rituals and doctrine. In all of Christianity only the Catholics follow the Pope and the Vatican. The difference in the Bibles is the Protestant Bibles contain a few less books.

while the majority of Christians belong to one the large groupings, the majority of the 40,000 + denominations are the Bible only churches and are not associated with mainstream Christianity. Each of the churches seem to follow the bible as interpretative by the church pastor.

You also have the non-trinity christian denominations that many Christians do not consider to be Christian these are:

Jehovah Witness
Unitarian
Mormon

and a few others.

For the moment and for simplicity. If you are speaking of The Pope, the Vatican, Rome, praying to Mary and Statues you are speaking only of the Roman Catholics. None of that applies to any others who call themselves Christian.

However to some extent the Eastern Orthodox do use statues and some veneration of Mary.

Over half of the world's Christians have no connection with The Vatican, the Pope or Rome. It is only Roman Catholics who follow the Pope.

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

jazaks woodrow.

found this regarding sabbath, is it still applied to this day, so even todays sabbath you cant help any1 whatsoever?

Jesus Does Not Observe the Sabbath
Jesus grew up to manhood. It was Sabbath, a day of complete rest: no fire could be lit or
extinguished nor could females plait their hair. Moses (pbuh) had commanded that Saturday be
dedicated to the worship of Allah. However, the wisdom behind the Sabbath and its spirit had
gone, and only the letter remained in the Jews' hearts. Also, they thought that Sabbath was kept in
heaven, and that the People of Israel had been chosen by Allah only to observe the Sabbath.
They made a hundred things unlawful on Saturday even self-defense or calling a doctor to save a
patient who was in bad condition. This is how their life was branded by such hypocrisy. Although
the Pharisees were guardians of the law, they were ready to sell it when their interests were
involved so as to obtain personal gains. There was, for example, a rule which prohibited a journey
of more than one thousand yards on the Sabbath day. What do we expect of the Pharisees in this
case? The day before, they transferred their food and drink from their homes two thousand yards
away and erected a temporary house so that from tthey could travel a further thousand yards on
the Sabbath day.

Jesus was on his way to the temple. Although it was the Sabbath, he reached out his hand to pick
two pieces of fruit to feed a hungry child. This was considered to be a violation of the Sabbath
law. He made a fire for the old women to keep themselves warm from the freezing air. Another
violation. He went to the temple and looked around. There were twenty thousand Jewish priests
registered there who earned their living from the temple. The rooms of he temple were full of them.

 

[gmcbroom]

Woodrow, is fairly accurate in his post save in a few areas. The Catholic Church is made up of 23 distinct ritual churches all of which are Catholic. The Roman Catholic Church just has the distinction of being the largest, and is the one in which The Bishop of Rome, ie Pope, comes from as the Chair of Peter it is the seat upon which the leader of the Catholic Church sits. The Latin Church is what the Roman Church used to be called in the past. However that changed in the 16th century when the Anglican Church used the phrase the roman catholic church as a way to distinguish between the two as a derogatory term. The label simply stuck.

It should be noted the the Catholic Church has gone through a few schisms. The first of which ocurred around the 400's and from it the Occidental Orthodox Church (Miaphisites/Monophites) came into being think Coptics Orthodox, and Church of the East. Then the famous schism of 1054 where the Eastern Orthodox Church came into being.

Now some of those that came back into communion with the Catholic Church retained their distinct traditions, their theology was just amended to bring it back to Catholic Theology. That's why you have Coptic Catholic Churches, as well as Russian, and Byzantine Catholic Churches.

The Orthodox whether Occidental, Russian, or Eastern all have valid Apostolic Succession (the laying on of hands that can be traced all the way back to the Apostles), Sacred Tradition (Bishop,Priest,and Deacon, as the ecclesial rank structure) , and Sacred Scripture ie the Old and New Testament (though the amount of Old and New Testament books varies depending on which group you belong too anywhere from 76 to 88). They all claim to be Catholic as Catholic simply means universal.

The Orthodox has the Bishop as the head of the churches as the Catholic Church does too yet the difference comes down to the Chair of Peter ie Pope. They recognize him as the leader of the Latin Church and a fellow Bishop yet they don't see him as the Leader of all the Catholic Churches. It's complicated. Because where the Bishop goes there goes The Church so the Orthodox do have a valid point.

Yet Jesus gave the keys to bind and loose to Peter and upon him he built his Church. So, depending on which camp you belong too, If your Catholic the Orthodox broke Communion and if your Orthodox the Catholics broke communion. The Orthodox claim that the Reformation is proof that the Catholic Church is schismatic. The Catholic Church points to the lack of cohesion and nationalization of the Orthodox Churches as proof that there schismatic. As you can see its complicated.

Peace be with you

 

[gmcbroom]

Also concerning Mary catholics, orthodox, and even some anglicans venerate her. We don't worship her as a Goddess as there is only one God. We venerate her as a saint for it was said all generations will call her blessed. As for the her being immaculate that is because she is seen as a living ark. For just as the Ark of the Convenant housed the the ten commandments or word of God ie ten commandments; she did the same in giving birth to Jesus Christ who is the living Word.

Peace be with you

 

[siam]

heres what the jews believe about their messiah (which is dajjal and heres why)

* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* .........

@ YM --- I think we should be more careful about making statements and try to seek knowledge......
Islamophobic sites claim that the Mahdi is the ANTI-CHRIST.......when we make similar statements about others---what does it say about us?

The Jews have a term called Olam Haba that speaks of the "world to come"---here is what Maimonides (a Jewish Rabbi) described it as....

"The messianic age is when Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Isreal. The messiah will be a very great King. ...His great righteousness and the wonders that he will bring about will cause all peoples to make peace with him...It will be a time when the number of wise men will increase...war shall not exist, and nation shall no longer lift up sword agaisnt nation....the messianic age will be highlighted by a community of the righteous and dominated by goodness and wisdom. It will be ruled by a messiah, a righteous and honest king."

perhaps seeking knowledge about Judaism from Jewish sites would be more appropriate?

 

[gmcbroom]

I agree with Siam.

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

I think we should be more careful about making statements and try to seek knowledge......
Islamophobic sites claim that the Mahdi is the ANTI-CHRIST.......when we make similar statements about others, what does it say about us?

ok your right about that in a way but i just see it the way it is bro...if u actually read about our dajjal...compare that to what the jews say about their messiah...it actually go's along, like i said i didnt wanna offend any1 in this thread

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

The Jews have a term called Olam Haba that speaks of the "world to come"---here is what Maimonides (a Jewish Rabbi) described it as...."The messianic age is when Jews will regain their independence and all return to the land of Isreal. The messiah will be a very great King. ...His great righteousness and the wonders that he will bring about will cause all peoples to make peace with him...It will be a time when the number of wise men will increase...war shall not exist, and nation shall no longer lift up sword agaisnt nation....the messianic age will be highlighted by a community of the righteous and dominated by goodness and wisdom. It will be ruled by a messiah, a righteous and honest king."

perhaps seeking knowledge about Judaism from Jewish sites would be more appropriate?

^^ this was also mentioned and ur right about it...but i took the various verses that we can relate to now.

 

[Zafran]

Hmm...Unlike many Muslims, Christians don't believe that Jesus will come back after over 2000 years of being with God...just to DIE and become worm food after he establishes the Kingdom of God on earth for about 40 years.

Nope.

After the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus' prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks. Jesus' rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die. Muslims will then perform the funeral prayer for him and then bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad, Abu Bakr, and Umar (companions of Muhammad and the first and second Muslim caliphs respectively)

I mean, really. Isn't that a bit weird? For Jesus to be alive for over 2000 years in heaven with God only to die on earth after 40 years of ruling? How anti-climactic. PLUS it seems that Islamic eschatology says that Muhammad will be the raised FIRST on the day of universal bodily resurrection. So, Jesus lives for over 2000 years in God's Presence as God's Messiah and RULES as God's leader (all that time of which Muhammad is and remains dead)..but then after he dies, he's NOT even raised first??

This really just seems weird to me, in a way...

All the prophets are on the same side - They have different roles - Jesus pbuh being the messiah, Ibrahim pbuh being the friend of God and having his progeny as prophets - Moses pbuh talking to God directly, Muhammad pbuh being the intercessor (on the leave of God on the last day) and last prophet of God etc etc.

Furthermore as Muslims see Jesus pbuh as Great prophet like all the other prophets he is human and will live a human life - eternal life is in the next life. His role of messiah he will fufil before the end of time kill the anti christ and establish peace on earth.


edit - No prophet is dead (spiritually) they are all with God.

 

[siam]

^^ this was also mentioned and ur right about it...but i took the various verses that we can relate to now.

When I first looked into Judiasm ---I was surprised...until then, I had assumed that the Christian interpretation of the OT was more or less how Jews also understood the Torah!! But I found that actually Judaism and Islam are fairly close in our beliefs and structures.
Some similarities.....
Both Believe in the One God, Unique, Indivisible, Genderless. (slight difference is that some Jews may believe God is Genderless in that he has both male and female aspects while we believe he is neither male nor female)
Neither religion has the concept of original sin, Both believe in the inherent goodness of creation.
Both religions believe faith and practice must be balanced and both are important (orthodoxy and orthopraxis)
Both have "God's Laws" ---Judaism has Halaka, Islam has Sharia
Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages---both have a "root word" system that supports a deep, rich understanding of our Holy texts. ---and in fact, if I remember correctly, Arabic has had a lot of influence on the Jewish re-understanding of Hebrew(apparently the meanings of some words had become lost in time)---I think it was Rabbi Maimonides (Rambam) who made a Hebew-Arabic dictionary.....
There was a lot of dialogue and philosophical development between Judaism and Islam during the Golden age of Islam. One thing that we have to remember is that Islam has always been a Just and tolerant religion ---the Quran calls the Jews and Christians "people of the Book".
There is a lot of intolerance in the West now because of socio-economic and geo-political circumstances---but I feel as Muslims we must try to stay true to the spirit of Islam..perhaps we can be an example to others.

Some Dutch Catholics have "re-branded" their Lent as "Christian Ramadan" and some Catholics are fasting the Muslim way!! Apparently fasting had been part of Christianity but had fallen out of favor.....

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

Hmm...Unlike many Muslims, Christians don't believe that Jesus will come back after over 2000 years of being with God...just to DIE and become worm food after he establishes the Kingdom of God on earth for about 40 years.

Nope.

actually prophets (pbut) dont become worm food...they are preserved

 

[YM Usrah Umar]

also can sum1 plz tell me does it mention in the bible that the christians had to go to war or fight at some points? like the muslim e.g battle of badr, uhud etc etc, im jus wondering did the christians and jews fight violaters etc?

 

[Ramadhan]

also can sum1 plz tell me does it mention in the bible that the christians had to go to war or fight at some points? like the muslim e.g battle of badr, uhud etc etc, im jus wondering did the christians and jews fight violaters etc?

I cant remember precisely, but I think it is commanded in the OT of the bible.
Whether commanded or not, the fact is christians as a group of people went to war far more times and killed far more people than any other groups of people in the past 2,000 years.

 

[Chavundur]

I want to ask one question, I see great atheistic influence and tendency in western countries ( I know It is very explicit ), How Christianity can deal with that problem. I mean When We think as a Christian, Is there any hope or perspective ?

 

[gmcbroom]

Chavundur, there is always hope. As for what can a christian do? Well, I can't speak for all, but I pray. Take the recent killing of Osama Bin Laden. Where as there were quite a few people in the US that were celebrating in the streets at his death. There were and are many who deplore his assination. Don't get me wrong he was responsible for many of my countrymen's deaths both in the US and abroad. However, that said, as a christian I weep at the death of a man who was killed without the chance to repent. Christians, that actually understand what it means to be christian, do not rejoice over the death of another no matter what their crimes were. It's about, redemption, being right with God. That is why the Church is against the death penalty and abortion because it robs a person of there chance to repent. Though, the Catechism does acknowledge that there are times that for the safety of society, some may be put to death by governments as in Osama Bin Ladens case, they don't like it.

Peace be with you