Are the following passages "corrupted"?

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This thread is aimed to the muslims hanging out in this area of the forum more than to the christians. Although, anyone is welcome to post/comment if you feel like it's touching you.

I realized that there although muslims should follow the guidance of other prophets as messengers of God, there isn't much of their messages in the Qu'ran so I decided to quote a couple of passages from the Gospel. These are teachings of Jesus and I'm sure that, even though muslims claim it has been corrupted in the Bible, everyone of us will agree that these quotes were inspired and that we can all take a couple of pointers from one or two of them.

I hope everyone enjoys them!

Love for Enemies
43 You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


The Greatest Commandment
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, Of all the commandments, which is the most important? 29 The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.'

Fasting
16 When you fast, do not look sombre as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Giving to the Needy
1 Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honoured by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Ask, Seek, Knock
7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

I took them in different books and in no particular orders. I post these only to seek if you think these words could have been uttered by Jesus and if it is contrary to what is in the Qu'ran or if it is in line with what you believe/know.

Again, please, no theological discussion that will go nowhere. Just let us all know if you like or dislike a particular quote or if anything rings a bell or can be compared to a particular verse from the Qu'ran.

Cheers to all who will participate!:shade:
 
Peace,

Many of us are former Christians and most of us will tell you we came to Islam because of the words of Isa(as). We do feel that the Bible through the words of Isa(as) set us on the path to find Islam.

We do agree that Isa(as) only spoke the Truth and what he has said did come from Allaah(swt)

The only problem, is we only have interpretations of what Isa(as) actually said. No Aramaic writings exist of what he actually said in Aramaic. The oldest Aramaic Bible is the Syriac Peshetta and that was translated into Aramaic from Greek. Interpretations may be very close to the actual words, but we will never know without the original.

You will find many Muslims do have copies of the Bible and we do agree with that which does not contradict the Quran. You may notice that very few if any Muslims would ever desecrate or damage the Bible, because we know it may contain some actual words of Allaah(swt) in it.
 
salaam

we agree with those passages as those teachings were the same teachings of the prophet Muhammad pbuh

The bible you speak of isnt just disputed by muslims but even you christains cant seem to agree what books make up the bible? - does it contain 66 books or 73?

In tradition there are 5 books that were given to Moses pbuh known as the Torah but we find Moses pbuh death and unmarked grave being mentioned in one of the 5 books (specifically deutornomy) - who added this after Moses's (pbuh) death if the books were given to him when he was alive?
 
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from the Quran...............
charity
Surah 2 verses 268-271
268 satan threatens you with proverty and bids you conduct unseemly. God promises you his forgiveness and bounties. And God cares for all and he knows all things.
269 He grants wisdom to whom he pleases, and to whom wisdom is granted, he recieves a benefit overflowing, but none will recieve admonition except men of understanding
270 And whatever you spend in charity or whatever promises you make, be sure God knows it all. But the wrongdoers have no helpers.
271 If you disclose acts of charity it is ok, but if you conceal them and make it reach those in need, that is best for you: it will remove some of your stains and God is well acqainted with what you do.

those who hate you
Surah 41 verse 34-36
34 Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with what is better; then between whom was hatred. become as it were friends and intimates.
35 And no one will be granted such goodness except those who excercise patience and self-restraint--none but the persons of greatest good fortune.
36 And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to you by satan, seek refuge in God. He is the one who hears and knows all things.

God
Surah 2 verses 255-256
255 God. there is no God but he
The living, the self-subsisting, the supporter of all. No slumber can seize him, nor sleep. His are all thngs in the heavens and the earth. Who is he can intercede in his presence except as he permits? He knows what is before, or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass any of his knowledge except as he wills His throne does extend over the heavens and the earth and he feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For he is the most high, the supreme.
256. let their be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error. Whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most trusted handhold, that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.
 
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those who hate you
Surah 41 verse 34-36
34 Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with what is better; then between whom was hatred. become as it were friends and intimates.
35 And no one will be granted such goodness except those who excercise patience and self-restraint--none but the persons of greatest good fortune.
36 And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to you by satan, seek refuge in God. He is the one who hears and knows all things.

Nice, I think some extremists should be shown this verse instead of giving muslims a bad name in the press.

Thanks Siam for these Surahs.
 
Nice, I think some extremists should be shown this verse instead of giving muslims a bad name in the press.

Thanks Siam for these Surahs.

Those are not extremists, those are they who still have much to learn. Islam is a very large religion with over 1 billion followers. If only 1/10th of 1 percent of those using the name of Muslim are not following Islam properly it means we have 1,000,000 people running around blindly saying they are following Islam and they are not.
 
Also, we need to define what is meant by "extremists"?

The ones saying they follow "Islam" and are not very nice to anyone who's not a muslim. You know, people who use the Qu'ran to justify their acts of violence. But that's beyond the point of the post.

Anyone else would like to comment on the quotes I posted?
 
'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

in jewish scripture, the word "echad" is used, which means a single, absolute unqualified one.
This is definitely the truth, as Allah SWT also says in the Qur'an (QS. 112:1)

Transliteration
Qul huwa Allahu ahad
Pickthall
Say: He is Allah, the One!

So the verse (Deuteronomy 6:4) is part of Torah that still survives the corruption.

It is mindboggling, though, how christians creatively interpret The Lord is One into Lord is The father, the son and the holy spirit, especially since Jesus (p) in the bible repeatedly told his disciples to worship the One God, and never told his disciples to worship the father, himself and holy spirit.


 
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It is mindboggling, though, how christians creatively interpret The Lord is One into Lord is The father, the son and the holy spirit, especially since Jesus (p) in the bible repeatedly told his disciples to worship the One God, and never told his disciples to worship the father, himself and holy spirit.

Must you always attack Christianity? The OP was just talking about some nice verses in the Bible...
 
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Fasting 16 When you fast, do not look sombre as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


I agree. this is also one of Injeel verses that is not yet so much corrupted, as confirmed by Qur'an:

"O you who believe, fasting has been prescribed for you as it has been prescribed for those before you, so that you may attain taqwa."
[QS 2:183]

Also, from hadith Qudsi that supports the above verses that fasting is only for Allah and we must not show it off:

“Allah said, ‘All the deeds of the son of Adam are for him: the good deeds will be multiplied ten times to seven hundred time, except fasting, which is for Me and I will reward for it accordingly. He abandons his (sexual) desire, food and drink for Me.’ Verily, there are two joyous and pleasurable moments for the fasting person: one at the time of breaking his fast, and the other is when he will meet his Lord (in the Hereafter). Verily, the unpleasant odor emanating from the mouth of the fasting person is better in the sight of Allah than the scent of musk.”
[Al-Bukhari & Muslim].


Whoever does not give up lying and practising falsehood, Allah is in no need of his giving up food and drink. [Al-Bukhari and others]

From the gospel verses (Matthew 6:16-17), it is inferred that the fasting done by Jesus (pbuh) and his followers was not merely abstaining from certain type of food or desires. And it is clearly not just abstaining from drinking sweet tea, or meat like current christian practices, because not drinking sweet tea or eating meat alone do not make you lethargic. It is clear that the fasting practiced by Jesus (pbuh) and Moses (pbuh) was similar to the fastings of muslims (no drinking, no food, no sexual acts).
 
Must you always attack Christianity? The OP was just talking about some nice verses in the Bible...

I am sure you will have many many productive contributions to make, at the very least in this thread.
 
I am sure you will have many many productive contributions to make, at the very least in this thread.

I sure hope so. I think me calling you out on your attempt to derail the thread with unnecessary remarks on Christianity was a good start. :D
 
'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbour as yourself


QS 4:36

And serve Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful,
 
Cheers to all who will participate!:shade:[/QUOTE]


(2:255) Allah: the Everlasting, the Sustainer of the whole Universe; there is no god but He. *278 He does neither slumber nor sleep. *279


*279. This is a refutation of the ideas of those who, in formulating their concepts of God, are inclined to consider God analogous to their own imperfect selves and hence ascribe to God the weaknesses characteristic of human beings. An instance at hand is the famous Biblical statement that God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day He rested (see Genesis, chapters 1 and 2).


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1-2&version=NIV
 
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Here's one or two. Jesus is speaking to 2 different sects of jews around at the time.

First the Sadducees concerning the resurrection and a woman married 7 times; as they didn't believe in it since they only follow the first five books of Moses.
Matthew 22 (28-32)

Now at the resurrection, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they had all been married to her. Jesus said to them in reply," You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God." At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven. And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the god of the dead but of the living.

Second the Pharisees who believe in the resurrection and pride themselves on knowing all the Law all 613 of them. So Jesus asks them a question.

Matthew 22 (42-46)
Jesus questioned them saying,"What is your opinion about the Messiah?" Whose son is he?" They replied,"David's." He said to them,"How, then, does David, inspired by the Spirit, call him 'lord,' saying: The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet"? If David calls him 'lord, how can he be his son?" No one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare to ask him anymore questions.



Peace be with you
 
The bible you speak of isnt just disputed by muslims but even you christains cant seem to agree what books make up the bible? - does it contain 66 books or 73?

66

In tradition there are 5 books that were given to Moses pbuh known as the Torah but we find Moses pbuh death and unmarked grave being mentioned in one of the 5 books (specifically deutornomy) - who added this after Moses's (pbuh) death if the books were given to him when he was alive?

The final 8 verses of the book of Deuteronomy speak of Moses' death. These closing verses were believed to be most likely written by Joshua or by Eleazar the high priest.
 

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