what do christians & jews believe in?

oh yh i was wanting to mention do the christians still use the old testament to this day or is it jus the new testament? and the jews still use the old testament right?
 
@ YM ---pig fat^o)!!??? ---- Wherever you are getting your info---it seems it might be an unreliable source? Also, as a Muslim, it is wise to double check claims of what the Quran says---with an actual Quran so that any false claims are not repeated.?......Usually quotations from the Quran come with a Surah number or name, and verse number......
The internet is a wonderful resource of information---but some information is biased and, I know from my own experience, it is difficult to figure out .....
You seem to feel that the "wealth of the Jews" is fact---perhaps you can double check with other sources to verify if it actually is a fact? because otherwise, speculating on something that turns out not to be a fact would really be useless---right?:D ----You are doing the right thing by asking questions....it is a good way to get information......
 
The Jews use the Torah (written), they also have an oral Torah (Talmud) which was written down as the Mishna. The Gemara are rabbinical works about the Mishna. The 2 together make up the Talmud. There are 2 Talmuds, the Yerusalmi and the Babylonian. The Jews also have the Midrash which are explanations/commentary.

The Torah along with two other books(?) make up the Tanakh---the other two are the nevim and ketuvim (?)

The Christians have a translated version of the Torah that they call the Old Testament (OT). Most Christians use the Septuagint which is the (Koine)Greek translation of the Hebrew Torah---to translate into their English Bibles as OT. The Catholic Church as a latin translation which they call the Vulgate. The Early Eastern Chruch used the Peshi-tta which was an aramaic translation of the Torah. The Ethiopian Church also had its own version of the OT.

again---any corrections will be appreciated......
 
siam said:
@ YM The Quran encourages trade. Wealth is a blessing from God that comes with the responsibility of charity.
Charity is an important practice in both Judaism and Christianity. In Judaism it is called Tzadaka (?) not sure if the spelling is correct---anyway, like us Muslims, Jews who are blessed with wealth, must share with the needy---I think---right Boaz? .....It is obligatory or something(?).......
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Yes, any of us who can afford to give Tzedakah (notice how it sounds like Zakat) must give it. The wealthy have to donate at least 10% of their salaries.
 
Boaz said:
Tzedakah
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actually it sounds more lik sadaqah which is alms giving..
sadaqah and Zakat differ in that you can give sadaqa to anyone but zakat only to Muslims..

peace
 
I don't think Boaz was referring to the pronounciation---Tzedakah is Hebrew for charity---and as he confirmed---like zakat it is an obligatory charity. But I think Jews also practice voluntary charity?
 
Dear brother Boaz,
I commend on your patience and I feel bad that you had to read so many abussive remarks.
Best wishes
Shalom
 
siam said:
do Christians have obligatory charity?
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Most Christian denominations have a practice called tithing in which they are to give 10% of their income to the church. the church in turn is to use this for things such as charity, church up keep and missionary work. The degree of obligation to give this 10% varies among denominations. For example most Catholic churches are very lax and simply pass a basket around each mass. Some Baptist churches are quite demanding and will send members a monthly bill for it. Most Denominations fall somewhere in between.
 
al yunan said:
Dear brother Boaz, I commend on your patience and I feel bad that you had to read so many abussive remarks. Best wishes Shalom
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we actually enjoy having Boaz here.. him and Rav, but Rav left sometime back..

peace
 
Also, I don't know why it says in the Quran that the Jews said the Priests are partners of God. At the time of the Holy Temple, you could get executed for uttering such blasphemy. Like the Muslims, we believe God is One. Uno. Wahad. No equal, no second. You can't be a Jew and say God has an equal to Him.

By the way, do Muslims also place their own health and lives above everything except a few circumstances? With the Jews, there are a few times when you have to choose to give up your own life. The two I remember is if someone says to renounce your faith and to choose between your life and the life of another. That is when you must choose to give up your life.
 
YM Usrah Umar said:
jazaks for the replys. does it mention in the quran how the jews are rich? if yes can sum1 post the ayah plz? how do they hav alot of money?
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YM Usrah Umar said:
but u can deny that jews (not all of them) have history about money and how they hav alot of it.
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YM Usrah Umar said:
yes of course bro there is but ther has to be religous background behind the fact that jews are so wealthy, yh u can say that they put alot of emphasis of education, theyv seem to be a community where they help each other out since what happened with hitler etc etc, many more that i may not know about but i think its stems way back....way back. in the quran allah said stay away from the pgi fat and the jews ignored this, and sold the pig fat
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Brother, as Boaz said himself, I urge you to read the Qur'an and ahadeeth instead of mein kampf.

Your opinions seem taken from enemies of Islam to make Islam and muslims look bad.
 
like i said before in this thread plz do not take offence plz, im not asking in a angry manner or anythn...its just asking questions in a grace manner...forgive me if it sounded like rude.

@ YM ---pig fat!!??? ---- Wherever you are getting your info---it seems it might be an unreliable source?
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my bad not the quran but from hadith. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said "Allah's curse is on the Jews. When Allah prohibited upon them the fat of the animals, they dissolved it, then sold it and ate its price!" (Al-Bukhari 2236, Muslim 3/1207)

anyways im not hating....forgive me
 
@ Boaz ---Perhaps surah 9 verse 31 (Preists as partners) can be best understood in context of verse 34---where Priests "devour the wealth of men and hinder them from the way of God"



This is only speculation on my part-----there is the Jewish concept of "Shutafut"(partnership) which in the 2nd temple period was used for community-building....so that ritual feasts were conducted with public funds---instead of donations from the rich---so that all Isreal (nation) could particpate (partnership). The idea apparently has something to do with the covenant---that --as a nation---there is a "partnership with God". (interpreted as the responsiblity of the "nation" to do God's will).....(?)

It may be possible some "Preists" may have abused their power...........perhaps the Arab Jews in the area misunderstood some things....?........

I am not that familiar with Jewish history (or Judaism) ...so feel free to correct...
 
The Jews have 613 "commandments (or rules). These are called mitzvot---if you google it you will find ones related to sabbath. You could also visit Judaism 101 to get the "Basics" of Judasim.

Other "rules" are called Halaka and correspond to what we Muslims call Fiqh (Jurisprudence)
 
FYI. Jesus simplifies the 613 mitzvot (not negated them) into the Great Commandments of Deuteronomy 6:4-6 (the Jewish Shema, Love of God) and Leviticus 19:9-18 (Love of neighbor as self). Jesus himself attested that doing these two commandments fulfilled all the Law and Prophets.

Jesus, the God-authorized Prophet and Messenger of God, specified this as his teaching. As I see it, we have every reason in the world to believe that the historical JEWISH Jesus actually taught this.

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
 
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This simplification was taught way before Jesus was born. Rabbi Hillel was asked to explain Judaism to a gentile while standing on one leg. He said, "What you don't want done to you, don't do unto others and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest is explanation." And you know what, way before Moses got the ten commandment, Confucius who wasn't a Jew taught the "Love your neighbor as yourself" rule.
 
Boaz said:
This simplification was taught way before Jesus was born. Rabbi Hillel was asked to explain Judaism to a gentile while standing on one leg. He said, "What you don't want done to you, don't do unto others and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest is explanation." And you know what, way before Moses got the ten commandment, Confucius who wasn't a Jew taught the "Love your neighbor as yourself" rule.
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Yep - Just shows that God's messege has always been universal.

peace
 

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