Who is the founder of Christianity?

[Ramadhan]

If you're a catholic, how would you feel naidamar?

If I were a catholic, I would say that those things are not true, and I would give reasons and evidence and facts why the popes were not someone who wear bejeweled and intricate robes who turned blind eye to all the child-molesting priests and approved the murder, killing, rape of millions and millions of people.

If it were not true, then it would be easy for you to refute, no?
And then everyone will be able to see the truth as presented by catholics.

And by the way, YusufNoor was responding to Grace Seeker in that post, not you.

 

[Ramadhan]

Last time to youngcatholic:
all answers to your questions are contained in the faq I sent you. Obviously you have not read it.
This is the last time I indulge myself in this personal discussion.

 

[YoungCatholic]

Good thing I saved my posts, lol. Anyway, I've read your faq and I certainly did not break any of your rules. Except for that crusade post which was not allowed as "attacking islam in any form is not allowed". My other posts however, regarding peter, did not attack islam in any way and did not break any of the rules posted in your faq. Would you mind telling me what did I do exactly that was wrong?

 

[YusufNoor]

Also, if I get banned here, I'd love to hear the reason for it. I did not use any foul words and if i responded in any passion its only because some other user did so before me and you know that. i've also been equally polite to other users except that post containing "do you have a mirror, use it". but you cant blame me for doing that can you? how would you feel if someone called your religion...

the word Pope refers to the funky dude in the Vatican with all of the bespectacled jewels and trappings of the dunya who turn a blind eye to all of the child molesting priests and who institution is responsible for the rape, torture, enslavement and killing of or the approving the rape, torture, enslavement of MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS of human beings. this "institution" DID NOT EXIST in the 1st few centuries of Christianity. PERIOD!

just because your church is thinking of teaming up with the Roman "holy father" doesn't mean Christians can reinvent history, even if they believe it.

please provide 1 historical contemporaneous document that supports the either Peter or Paul was called a Pope. THEY WEREN'T! Christians spread lies trying to authenticate Catholicism and or Christianity. wanting it to be true, claiming it's true DOESN'T make it true!

If you're a catholic, how would you feel naidamar?

if i were a Catholic,[which i WAS] i'd be embarrassed at the truth. go back to the hatesight you were using. they post "Bible" stuff and then stuff from 300 years later. there was no "Catholic Church" in between, ergo no Pope! once the Catholic Church began to form the had to rationalize their significance and "create" their "pre-history"
"according to your Bible" Peter played a significant role in Christianity, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM POPE! you keep missing that point.

your probably too emotionally attached to to these misrepresentations to see the light.

don't worry, we'll pray for you!

adios

 

[Ramadhan]

Would you mind telling me what did I do exactly that was wrong?

Read your faq again. I should have given you infractions points, but I didn't, so I was still being lenient to you by removing your posts only and gave you warnings, but please do not abuse it.

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[YoungCatholic]

BELIEVE ME, i had the power to insert links and such i would have. P.S. if i were to make a thread concerning the beatiful miracles of catholicism - they would be deleted too right?

 

[Ramadhan]

BELIEVE ME, i had the power to insert links and such i would have. P.S. if i were to make a thread concerning the beatiful miracles of catholicism - they would be deleted too right?

1. you can add the source without putting in links
2. yes, I will remove it, especially since you have already stated in your introduction that one of your purposes coming here is to evangelize you religion.

 

[Grace Seeker]

1. you can add the source without putting in links
2. yes, I will remove it, especially since you have already stated in your introduction that one of your purposes coming here is to evangelize you religion.

YoungCatholic, even as a Chrsitian, I concur with naidamar (now Ramadhan) on point #2. If I were a moderator on this site, I too would feel that the rules of the site would require the removal of something that promoted Catholicism (or my own United Methodist faith) to the exclusion of others as simply being against the site's rules.

Now, giving a link as a source for a quote is something different. I've never seen any other mods ever take them down, or if so it has been rare.

 

[Who Am I?]

I clicked "Paul". I'm not interested in joining the debate as this has no relevance on whether or not I find peace in Islam or Christianity.

I now return you to your scheduled argument.

 

[DippedinJannah]

About 20 years ago, I was in a book store and saw a book called "The 100 Most Important People in History" (don't quote me on that exact title).

As I reached for it, I thought to myself, #1 must be a religious leader. No other type of person has such a wide-ranging, profound impact in history.

I opened it up and #1 was...Muhammad (pbuh). Jesus (pbuh) was #2. The author's reasoning is without Paul, Christianity would never have developed and spread. So there were two people who "got the credit" for Christianity, while only one for Islam, and hence Muhammad (p) was first.

The author of course was arguing from a purely skeptical, secular perspective.

I would say the founding of Christianity is a murky.

 

[Ramadhan]

Even based only on christianity sources, and even not taking anything from islamic sources, we can safely say that had Jesus (pbuh) been here today, everyone would have assumed he is a muslim.

Christianity today owe their existence to Saul of Tarsus and Constantin.

 

[DippedinJannah]

Even based only on christianity sources, and even not taking anything from islamic sources, we can safely say that had Jesus (pbuh) been here today, everyone would have assumed he is a muslim.

Christianity today owe their existence to Saul of Tarsus and Constantin.

Brother, I agree, though I would say Christianity owes its existence to Saul/Paul, and its popularity to Constantin. Without adoption by the Roman empire, I suspect Christianity would have faded to be a small sect, or perhaps died out.

I wish we had the original Injeel to read. We know the message - because the message has never changed But it would be interesting to read it in the words of that time.