How I became Muslim

[Hiroshi]

thanks, i appreciate the response.

to answer your questions, i have read the quran and translation.
i have not read the bible, all i know of it is from what i have picked up on these forums and in passing.

Many Muslims regard the Bible almost with a sense of repugnance and are discouraged from ever reading it.

 

[Hiroshi]

The earlier post that I made was quoting from Galatians not Romans. I tried three times to correct this reference by attempting to edit the post but the system would not allow me to do so.

 

[M.I.A.]

Many Muslims regard the Bible almost with a sense of repugnance and are discouraged from ever reading it.

nooo, i think your brush strokes may be too wide. my family and parents never discouraged me from any sort of reading.
they may have looked at me a little strange if i had bought a copy of the bible but i didnt get into "religion" until my late twenties and belonging to an islamic family, the quran was and still is an ongoing point of learning.
my granma still tells me to trim my beard so i guess you can understand how this relates to your point lol. (no disrespect intended to my gran, i love her very much)

but if any question arises in my mind regarding any of the prophets peace and blessings be upon them, or there messages.. then these forums are a good point for learning.

 

[Hiroshi]

nooo, i think your brush strokes may be too wide. my family and parents never discouraged me from any sort of reading.
they may have looked at me a little strange if i had bought a copy of the bible but i didnt get into "religion" until my late twenties and belonging to an islamic family, the quran was and still is an ongoing point of learning.
my granma still tells me to trim my beard so i guess you can understand how this relates to your point lol. (no disrespect intended to my gran, i love her very much)

but if any question arises in my mind regarding any of the prophets peace and blessings be upon them, or there messages.. then these forums are a good point for learning.

Well I am happy that you say that. But I have had some negative responses from some characters when I quote the Bible.

In some English hotels or guest houses it is the custom to leave a Bible in the room for anyone to read. When my daughter went on a school trip for some days with others in her class they had been booked in to stay at just such accommodation. But there were many Muslim children in her class who strongly objected to the Bibles and wanted them taken away.

Hopefully then, most Muslims are more open minded.

 

[M.I.A.]

Well I am happy that you say that. But I have had some negative responses from some characters when I quote the Bible.

In some English hotels or guest houses it is the custom to leave a Bible in the room for anyone to read. When my daughter went on a school trip for some days with others in her class they had been booked in to stay at just such accommodation. But there were many Muslim children in her class who strongly objected to the Bibles and wanted them taken away.

Hopefully then, most Muslims are more open minded.

hopefully those children will mature to be well rounded individuals, it depends on what they are taught when they are willing to learn.. guess thats life for you.

i dont think anybody can unify christianity and islam through the book, but the way in which questions are posed and there content used should be done for benefit to both.. if that is what we seek.. after all both claim to represent one god, before any division sets in.

the last thing id say is that i was told to hate the action and not the person, we are different people in any given situation..and in my eyes the moment you actively pursue religion is the first steps to becoming a constant person.

i do not know who i was when i was a child but as a man id like to think im not a mischief maker anymore.

 

[SFatima]

Well I am happy that you say that. But I have had some negative responses from some characters when I quote the Bible.

In some English hotels or guest houses it is the custom to leave a Bible in the room for anyone to read. When my daughter went on a school trip for some days with others in her class they had been booked in to stay at just such accommodation. But there were many Muslim children in her class who strongly objected to the Bibles and wanted them taken away.

Hopefully then, most Muslims are more open minded.

Greetings hiroshi,

I do not know of any muslims who would hold hatred towards the bible/ christians or jews or anyone for that matter. Hate isn't taught to us. That is another thing if parents try to prevent their children to go near the other books at an early stage in life where they aren't even familiar with their own book. But as muslims it is only required of us to read and understand the Quran as much as we can, and that includes the references to Torah and Gospels (injeel) not bible though, and we may read them if we wish to raise our knowledge,and in fact we understand them more, after we have read the Quran more thoroughly.

I came across the bible too quite a few times when we stayed at hotels and wanted to take it home with me but sigh I could never ask anyone if I was allowed to, felt embarrassed since my sister kept telling me that it was going to look weird if I asked : S

 

[Ramadhan]

By contrast, the men who wrote the scriptures in the Bible often do not make mention of themselves but rather give the credit to God for their writings.

So this means christians are happy to accept that God wrote errors, contradictions, and even in many instances, smut, that's because you find them in bible.

Also, since you don't have the identities of the writers of bible, how did you know that the writers credited God for their writings? I'm always surprised whenever christians make this and that claims, including this one.

 

[May Ayob]

Many Muslims regard the Bible almost with a sense of repugnance and are discouraged from ever reading it.

That is not true , I used to live in Zimbabwe and when we were little kids the school forced me even thopugh I am a Muslim to read the Bible, attend Christian classes and draw the cross ... I was actually forced or either I wouldn't have continued my primary education , the little kids in class used to see how I drew the cross and it was perfect but no it didn't satisfy them at all so they kept demanding me to draw it over and over again... Non of the above has ever affected my faith in Allah as being One with no other partners, There is a big majority of Muslim who are very familiar with the Bible and know it very well but no one can deny that the bible is everything but the word of God

Peace be to you

 

[Misz_Muslimah]

Jazaakalahu khayr for sharing..
Great story

 

[M.I.A.]

That is not true , I used to live in Zimbabwe and when we were little kids the school forced me even thopugh I am a Muslim to read the Bible, attend Christian classes and draw the cross ... I was actually forced or either I wouldn't have continued my primary education , the little kids in class used to see how I drew the cross and it was perfect but no it didn't satisfy them at all so they kept demanding me to draw it over and over again... Non of the above has ever affected my faith in Allah as being One with no other partners, There is a big majority of Muslim who are very familiar with the Bible and know it very well but no one can deny that the bible is everything but the word of God

Peace be to you

wow, i feel really bad for you.
sounds like some sort of mental torture and brainwashing technique, breaking a persons will is often how its done.

 

[Who Am I?]

Many Muslims regard the Bible almost with a sense of repugnance and are discouraged from ever reading it.

I have to disagree with that. I still have my copy of the Bible and I still read it from time to time. I memorized parts of it when I was in school. It is part of who I am and I cannot ignore that.

Even when I was a Christian, I always respected the Qu'ran and never agreed with that idiot pastor who wants to burn it.

I wish I had been taught both the Qu'ran and the Bible as a kid so that I could have then made a more informed choice in my formative years. I didn't really know anything about Islam until recently and feel like the last 35 years of my life has been a waste of time.

 

[Trumble]

In some English hotels or guest houses it is the custom to leave a Bible in the room for anyone to read. When my daughter went on a school trip for some days with others in her class they had been booked in to stay at just such accommodation. But there were many Muslim children in her class who strongly objected to the Bibles and wanted them taken away.

Not exactly a 'custom' as such. The vast majority are given to the hotels (and also hospitals, care homes, prisons etc, etc) by an evangelical Christian organization called the Gideons and have been since long before Britain became 'multicultural' in the way it is today. They give a New Testament to each school-child as well, or at least they did in my day; I suspect that might be different now. In a 'Christian' country that's fair enough, IMHO. That said, if people are offended I'm sure the hotel staff would gladly remove the Bible from their room for the duration of their stay if asked.

Many London hotels now also have a copy of the Qur'an in each room as well.

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

Not exactly a 'custom' as such. The vast majority are given to the hotels (and also hospitals, care homes, prisons etc, etc) by an evangelical Christian organization called the Gideons and have been since long before Britain became 'multicultural' in the way it is today. They give a New Testament to each school-child as well, or at least they did in my day; I suspect that might be different now. In a 'Christian' country that's fair enough, IMHO. That said, if people are offended I'm sure the hotel staff would gladly remove the Bible from their room for the duration of their stay if asked. Many London hotels now also have a copy of the Qur'an in each room as well.

This is practiced in many American hotels as well. I find it interesting that British schoolchildren are given a copy of the New Testament, because in American public schools, that isn't allowed. I assume you attended a private school.

I think it would be interesting to visit a hotel with a copy of the Qur'an in each room. I think they should adopt that practice in America as well. Perhaps I will have the privilege of visiting London someday, insha'Allah

 

[Flame of Hope]

I think it would be interesting to visit a hotel with a copy of the Qur'an in each room.

The idea of a hotel that has a copy of the Qur'an in each room doesn't appeal to me. I dread to think of even the tiniest disrespect shown to it by ignorant people.

 

[Just_A_Girl13]

The idea of a hotel that has a copy of the Qur'an in each room doesn't appeal to me. I dread to think of even the tiniest disrespect shown to it by ignorant people.

Hmmm...... I suppose you're right. I hadn't even thought of that. That is a very upsetting thought :hmm:

 

[Trumble]

This is practiced in many American hotels as well. I find it interesting that British schoolchildren are given a copy of the New Testament, because in American public schools, that isn't allowed. I assume you attended a private school.

No, a state school (in the UK private schools are often called public schools, which is terribly confusing!) It seems that they still do it, although some schools have banned it to avoid upsetting other faiths.

 

[brmm]

brother,



bible is a collection of books, numbering in total between 66 to 76 books, depending on which bible you use (there is no one single bible)
and (christian bible) is NOT = (torah + injeel).

christian bible = old testament + new testament

old testament consists of 24 judaic hebrew scriptures (but not in the same order or content as judaic) and consists of books such as:
- the pentateuch also known as the torah, regarded as written by moses (pbuh), although it is not possible because the books also tell stories about Moses' own funeral (!) so it may contain some tawrah and
- psalms, regarded as written by Daud (pbuh) and may contain some zabur but it is also regarded as corrupted by evidence
The rest of the books were written by various known and uknown rabbis, scribes, etc.

New testament consists of the four canonical gospels, letters of paul, letters of the pastors, apocrypha and various other books. Letters of saul alone dominate half of the new testament, while Jesus' sayings and actions as reported in the four gospels only contribute as much as 18%.
With the exception of letters of paul, the authorships of the other books are not known.

Also injeel is NOT the same as the four canonical gospel.
Injeel would be The gospel of Jesus (pbuh), and we know that there is no gospel of jesus (pbuh) in the bible, there only the gospels of luke, matthew, john, and mark.
Remember, in the early days of christianity, there were hundreds of gospels, and nicece council decided to purge gospels which did not conform to the roman/latin idea of jesus (pbuh).

The mistake that people often make is they think injeel = bible, or even injeel = four canonical gospels.

Salam Alaikom brother .... thank you for correcting me.

 

[May Ayob]

wow, i feel really bad for you. sounds like some sort of mental torture and brainwashing technique, breaking a persons will is often how its done.

Salaam
Thank you for your concern, but it didn't really affect me in anyway,
Although they used to make us watch Disney's movie Hercules which is kind of strange and I didn't understand why?
But now I think it's clear.
Also, the story of prophet Moses PBUH was very close to that which my mother used to tell us , I didn't like the drawings though, I didn't understand why they had to draw the prophets, well it was quite and experience


Salaam

 

[Hiroshi]

The idea of a hotel that has a copy of the Qur'an in each room doesn't appeal to me. I dread to think of even the tiniest disrespect shown to it by ignorant people.

But disrespect for the Bible doesn't cause you dread? God has made the Bible available to all people in all languages. Why should the Qur'an be treated differently?

 

[Hiroshi]

no one can deny that the bible is everything but the word of God

Peace be to you

Jesus said that the Bible is the true word of God (John 17:17). But usage of the cross and the trinity doctrine are not taught in the Bible. The best evidence is that Jesus did not die on a cross.