Wanting some clarification on website I've come across

Perseveranze said:
Asalaamu Alaikum,

lol this guy, I tried doing some searches on him and hardly anything has come up. His book isn't popular, he's never been taken seriously by anyone (I've just seen quotes on Christian missionary websites, the fact that most anti-islam websites have no mention of him just show the redicilous claims he must've made in the book).

I havn't read the book, so don't know what's in it. But I did get this quote -

"Reveals that there is no historical, or even theological, basis for the orthodox view that Muhammad or his earliest followers intended the Koran to be treated as the inviolable word of God."

No wonder no one has taken him seriously. If you read the Quran, the life of the Prophet(pbuh) and the Hadiths, there's more then enough overwhelming proof that the Quran was to be treated as the word of God. Why on earth would Muslims have gone through so much trouble to ensure people memorize it and write it down? Why is the Quran handled with utmost respect when holding it and reading it? Why has not another single intellectual or anyone that's significantly known for scholarly works or anything made any mention of this before? Why didn't Muslims, memorize hadiths? Anyways, stuff like this should not bother you, it's almost like insulting your own intelligence if you gave people like this any attention, such baseless and stupid claims, that not even Islam haters have acknowledged, shows how desperate for attention some people are.

Edit: This made me laugh;

"The revealed text should not be equated with the perfect text of the original celestial Koran; which was believed to exist only in heaven and to be fully known only by God."

Lol.
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As-salaamu Alaykum brother please get back to me and help me soon please! JazakAllah, wa'alaikumus-salaam
 
Saffy786 said:
Assalaamu-alaykum,

Hope you are well brother, InshAllah. I wanted to ask you for help. I have been having worries/doubts/confusions again( about the original website in the first post) for the past few weeks. They keep coming and going, and they're all regarding this website. It still makes me so anxious/worried/concerned. I don't know what's happening to me, but I just cannot get this website out of my head. I still am concerned that something is true on that site, astagfirullah. Whenever my mind is idle, it sways back to this thought, and it never lets me live in peace. I had sent you a post before, if you look a few posts previously, with the same problem.

How can I make myself SURE/CERTAIN/100% (!!!!!) that there is nothing of significance on this website, and EVERYTHING ON IT IS A LIE? I feel my imaan is so weak at the moment, and I just cannot say "NO!" to that horrible, dread-inducing website. As bad as all that sounds, please help me brother, please reassure me so I can finally relax.

I am really looking forward to your reply and advice, because I want to forget about this site once and for all, and become certain without a shadow of a doubt that it is ALL A FARCE!! I really wish I never found that site in the first place! I am just waiting for your reply and reassurances. At times, I feel more confident and at others the doubts/worries keep coming back. Hence why it is so distressing for me.

All I want to know is that this website( the original one I mentioned in the first post) is all lies and develop confidence and belief in that!

JazakAllah for your help and advice brother, please reply quickly. I hope you pick up this quote quickly and can help.

Wa'alaikumus-salaam

P.S - Anyone else can also advise and help me too, JazakAllah
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Asalaamu Alaikum brother,

Your basically doing what I used to do. And I know how fustrating it can be. I used to always go on these websites, just to refute them, and even though i'd find the refute one after another, I kept going back again and again... And it does after a while fustrate you. And in the end, you feel like your "strength in your belief" is dependant on being able to refute what amatuer Anti-islam haters say. When in reality, your belief should be because you, yourself believe in Allah(swt), in the Prophet(pbut) and the Quran.

Here is some great advice a Sheikh gives -

Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah be pleased with him) said –
“Do not make your heart like a sponge soaking up any idea and specious arguments that come to mind, rather make it like a glass through whose surface the specious arguments pass but do not settle there, otherwise if all those doubts and specious arguments settle in your heart, it will be overwhelmed by them.”

That's not to say "have blind faith and not question", the meaning of what the Sheikh is saying is take things one at a time. Don't keep asking questions to the point where your heart is overhwelmed. In your case, don't keep testing your faith again and again, it will eventually fustrate you and overwhelm your heart, by that time you might begin to doubt, especially if you have no real guidance or understanding.

And believe me, your never going to "know everything" about Islam or any subject. Unless your a Scholar, which I doubt you are, your always going to lack understanding in some things. What your doing now is just going to put you off your faith, fustrate you and push you away from Islam.

Please take my advice brother, don't let "anti-Islam" websites dictate your belief in your Creator. If you geniunly have a concern about something they said, then feel free to ask here and we'll do our best to remove your doubt. Otherwise control yourself, you can't test Allah(swt), it is He who tests you.

Anyways, that website you mentioned a while ago, twists, exagerates and lies to try and give a false or negative image of Islam. I remember reading about how they were comparing "Islamic science to Jewish Science", and what they did is only look at the past few decades, they did this on purpose. If they looked at the past few centuries, they'd find what we call the "Islamic Golden Age", which many people today (even non-Muslim scholars) believe lead to the modern world. This just shows how biased that website is.

If you got any questions, please ask here.
 
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Perseveranze said:
Asalaamu Alaikum brother,

Your basically doing what I used to do. And I know how fustrating it can be. I used to always go on these websites, just to refute them, and even though i'd find the refute one after another, I kept going back again and again... And it does after a while fustrate you. And in the end, you feel like your "strength in your belief" is dependant on being able to refute what amatuer Anti-islam haters say. When in reality, your belief should be because you, yourself believe in Allah(swt), in the Prophet(pbut) and the Quran.

Here is some great advice a Sheikh gives -

Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah be pleased with him) said –
“Do not make your heart like a sponge soaking up any idea and specious arguments that come to mind, rather make it like a glass through whose surface the specious arguments pass but do not settle there, otherwise if all those doubts and specious arguments settle in your heart, it will be overwhelmed by them.”

That's not to say "have blind faith and not question", the meaning of what the Sheikh is saying is take things one at a time. Don't keep asking questions to the point where your heart is overhwelmed. In your case, don't keep testing your faith again and again, it will eventually fustrate you and overwhelm your heart, by that time you might begin to doubt, especially if you have no real guidance or understanding.

And believe me, your never going to "know everything" about Islam or any subject. Unless your a Scholar, which I doubt you are, your always going to lack understanding in some things. What your doing now is just going to put you off your faith, fustrate you and push you away from Islam.

Please take my advice brother, don't let "anti-Islam" websites dictate your belief in your Creator. If you geniunly have a concern about something they said, then feel free to ask here and we'll do our best to remove your doubt. Otherwise control yourself, you can't test Allah(swt), it is He who tests you.

Anyways, that website you mentioned a while ago, twists, exagerates and lies to try and give a false or negative image of Islam. I remember reading about how they were comparing "Islamic science to Jewish Science", and what they did is only look at the past few decades, they did this on purpose. If they looked at the past few centuries, they'd find what we call the "Islamic Golden Age", which many people today (even non-Muslim scholars) believe lead to the modern world. This just shows how biased that website is.

If you got any questions, please ask here.
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JazakAllah for you reply. You understand my situation completely and this does become very overwhelming and frustrating. I feel as though I am losing it in some regards and am becoming so hypersensitive about everything these days. I think the constant anxiety surrounding these issues is preventing me from think logically. As an example of this, I was recently looking into another topic on the internet and came across this question and answer. I can't post the link for it, so I will copy and paste the text below:

Question
Asalaamualaykum
The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) mentions in a hadith regarding the fitra of a human that an animal gives birth to an animal that is intact, however some animals although rarely, are born deformed in nature and therefore not ‘intact’. Is there a contradiction between this hadith and natural phenomenon, as the Prophet (SAW) must surely have known about deformed animals? Maybe the word “intact’ has a slightly different meaning?

Question from South Africa​
Answer
It seems like you are referring to this Hadith:
 Narrated Abu-Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on the fitra and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian (Zoroastrian), as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?" - Bukhari: 441
The Hadith implies that just as an animal is born in its natural intact state the same is true for humans being born with their spiritual disposition - the Fitrah of surrendering to God (i.e. Islam). The analogy continues that just as the animal is blemished by external elements the same is true for humans who lose their sense of Fitrah due to extrinsic influences.

It should be clear from the above that the hadith does not suggest that no animal is born handicap. The hadith is only comparing the state of natural health of a new born animal and the fact that it later may get maimed with the state of a new born human, naturally being with the Fitrah and the fact that he later may deviate from the Fitrah.

For some reason, when I am reading this question I keep worrying that there is something anti-Islamic or dodgy in that question or its answer. I read the question and answer and then re-read them, trying to convince myself that there is nothing dodgy here. Yet I still keep worrying, as I mentioned before I think the constant anxiety here is not allowing me to think properly. This is how I feel I am 'losing it' in this aspect!

Please can you reassure me and help me here? Is there anything dodgy/anti-Islamic in that question or its answer? I think it is best for me to not go on any things like this until I feel better regarding all these issues!

JazakAllah for your help, wa'alaikumus-salaam
 
bro, if you don't find a valid answer to something in islam that should be explained, then it is your job to ask questions out of sincerity to find the truth,
as kennedy said:

no president should fear public scrutiny of his program,
for from that scrutiny comes understanding,
and from that understanding comes support or opposition,
and both are necessary,
i am not asking your newspapers to support an administration,
but i am asking your help, in informing and alerting the american people.

the man was later shot dead.................

watch?v=EZYfeYhQ9eU

you will get people who raise obscure questions while knowing that the facts do not support their explanations, this is not out of sincerity, but out of jealousy, you are justified in ignoring them.

when 'Umar (ra) exclaimed in the mosque that hte dowries given to women was getting too high, a woman stood up and said that the Quran clearly states give them Qintar, which means loads of treasure.
'Umar (ra) conceded and said: a woman is right and 'Umar is wrong.

the muslim leaders in one of the battles sent a message to 'Umar (ra) saying that a man was going around among them asking about certain verses of the Quran, not anything that can be explianed or learned from, but certain words that Allah (SWT) uses (by the winnowing winds etc) (you can't explain what "ta ha" means and it's explanation would be conjecture), this man would go around and ask people: what does addhaaryatidhar'a mean, and people would be confused, there was a lot of murmuring and the leaders were a little concerned as there were new Muslims in the ranks too,
so 'Umar said: send him to Madinah,
the man turned up at the Prophet's mosque and when 'Umar greeted him - he asked the same silly question,
'Umar ordered them do bring a large carpet, he got the man, rolled him up in it, and started to beat the carpet with a stick, "do you know now what it means?
yes, O Amirul Mu-mineen i fully understand.
the man apparently never asked silly questions again in the lifetime of 'Umar (ra), but after the Caliph passed away, he was reported to have gone around asking those questions again :D
what can you say?

i learned that it's great to try to sincerely debate meaningful arguments - even if it means standing before the leader, but not unexplainable, unchangeable, and meaningless things that can only cause people to go astray rather than seek guidance.
 
btw bro, that whole topic which i saw on the website is off course from the start:

the story they use is the story of the man who had asked how Almighty God brings the dead to life, sohe was made to temporarily die/sleep for 100 years and when he woke up he found had rotted to bones while his food was still in perfect condition, all that remained of his donkey was the brittle bones, and Almighty God started the process from there,
now the website tries to paint that as the creation process while really it is an example of the resurrection /restoration process, that would be like getting fresh food and leaving it in the open atmosphere for 100 years and saying that the Quran says nothing happens to food and that fridges are haraam - since they question Gods ability to keep it fresh.

here's the actual verse:

259. Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."

here's the next verse:

260. Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead." He said: "Dost thou not then believe?" He said: "Yea! but to satisfy My own undertaking." He said: "Take four birds; Tame them to turn to thee; put a portion of them on every hill and call to them: They will come to thee (Flying) with speed. Then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."

are they gonna make a new site saying that the Quran says that birds come from certain cut up portions of themselves and not from eggs?

and btw: many of the nobel "peace" prize winners on that site were war criminals, and even some of the so-called "muslim" leaders they presented were working with the same team - lame presentation
 
BTW I am talking about the original website I posted in the first post, which had the title 'Koran:the Myth of Embryology!'

It's been quite a while since I found that site. JazakAllah, wasalaam
 
Saffy786 said:
JazakAllah for you reply. You understand my situation completely and this does become very overwhelming and frustrating. I feel as though I am losing it in some regards and am becoming so hypersensitive about everything these days. I think the constant anxiety surrounding these issues is preventing me from think logically. As an example of this, I was recently looking into another topic on the internet and came across this question and answer. I can't post the link for it, so I will copy and paste the text below:

Question
Asalaamualaykum
The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) mentions in a hadith regarding the fitra of a human that an animal gives birth to an animal that is intact, however some animals although rarely, are born deformed in nature and therefore not ‘intact’. Is there a contradiction between this hadith and natural phenomenon, as the Prophet (SAW) must surely have known about deformed animals? Maybe the word “intact’ has a slightly different meaning?

Question from South Africa​


Answer
It seems like you are referring to this Hadith:
 Narrated Abu-Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on the fitra and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian (Zoroastrian), as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?" - Bukhari: 441
The Hadith implies that just as an animal is born in its natural intact state the same is true for humans being born with their spiritual disposition - the Fitrah of surrendering to God (i.e. Islam). The analogy continues that just as the animal is blemished by external elements the same is true for humans who lose their sense of Fitrah due to extrinsic influences.

It should be clear from the above that the hadith does not suggest that no animal is born handicap. The hadith is only comparing the state of natural health of a new born animal and the fact that it later may get maimed with the state of a new born human, naturally being with the Fitrah and the fact that he later may deviate from the Fitrah.

For some reason, when I am reading this question I keep worrying that there is something anti-Islamic or dodgy in that question or its answer. I read the question and answer and then re-read them, trying to convince myself that there is nothing dodgy here. Yet I still keep worrying, as I mentioned before I think the constant anxiety here is not allowing me to think properly. This is how I feel I am 'losing it' in this aspect!

Please can you reassure me and help me here? Is there anything dodgy/anti-Islamic in that question or its answer? I think it is best for me to not go on any things like this until I feel better regarding all these issues!

JazakAllah for your help, wa'alaikumus-salaam
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Asalaamu Alaikum,

I asked this question on another forums, since I wasn't too knowledgeable regarding Animals/Hadith context. And this was the answer -

Ibn al-Iskandar said:
Wa Alayk as-Salaam,

I'm not sure that the part in parenthesis is the correct explanation for the Hadith, and have yet to find that in any Shuruh.

Rather, Ibn Hajar gives quite a lengthy discussion on the Hadith, among which he explains the part which says: "...'as the beast produces...', meaning: the beast gives birth to an offspring of complete physique, and if left alone like that, remains free of defect, rather they (people) alter it by cutting its ear, and in the example, thus going away from the root or Asl."- end quote.

So in the context the statement does not mean 'perfect' and it is not referring to animals being born without deformity. It means 'complete'.

The Hadith uses the term الجَدَّاءُ which means: 'to have small udders, amputated ears, empty of milk, and weaned without water(?)'.

However, Ibn Hajar states that what is intended is 'cut ears' (1/97), and it is this meaning which the majority of Muhaqiqeen refer to as well.

So the Hadith is referring to the fact that animals are born without their ears slit, rather it is mankind who innovates this act and imposes it upon them later on (as in the tradition of making camels 'Bahirah' referred to in the Qur'an 5:103).

The same with children, they are born with Iman in general, and inclined towards preferring and accepting Allah's Lordship, however it is his parents who come and alter that with Allah' permission.

Again, the interpretation is differed over and so the explanation will differ accordingly.
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That seems very clear to me.

If you found that Hadith on an Anti-islam site, then no wonder, just shows how they twist things. They never took into account;

- The meaning of the ancient Arabic (language that was spoken)
- THe context of what that hadith was revealed in
- How the people at the time of the Hadith understood this.

They just "quote out of context" and "try" to mislead people who don't persue futher knowledge.
 
Perseveranze said:
Asalaamu Alaikum,

I asked this question on another forums, since I wasn't too knowledgeable regarding Animals/Hadith context. And this was the answer -



That seems very clear to me.

If you found that Hadith on an Anti-islam site, then no wonder, just shows how they twist things. They never took into account;

- The meaning of the ancient Arabic (language that was spoken)
- THe context of what that hadith was revealed in
- How the people at the time of the Hadith understood this.

They just "quote out of context" and "try" to mislead people who don't persue futher knowledge.
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The website where I found that answer from was 'www.understanding-islam.com'. Is that an anti-Islamic site? I am avoiding these from now on, after this has been clarified!

And where on the original site is the page about Islamic Science vs Jewish science? JazakAllah
 
Saffy786 said:
The website where I found that answer from was 'www.understanding-islam.com'. Is that an anti-Islamic site? I am avoiding these from now on, after this has been clarified!

And where on the original site is the page about Islamic Science vs Jewish science? JazakAllah
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That site you linked seems ok.

As for the Science thing, that was one of the first sites you linked in your first post, it was a site made by jews.
 
Perseveranze said:
That site you linked seems ok.

As for the Science thing, that was one of the first sites you linked in your first post, it was a site made by jews.
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OK so the website seems OK, but their answer for that previous question appears dodgy?? Interesting......I'm just curious, don't intend to sound rude.

Is this the first site, I don't see it comparing Islamic science and Jewish science:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-embryology.htm

JazakAllah
 
Saffy786 said:
OK so the website seems OK, but their answer for that previous question appears dodgy?? Interesting......I'm just curious, don't intend to sound rude.

Is this the first site, I don't see it comparing Islamic science and Jewish science:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-embryology.htm

JazakAllah
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It's at the top brother -

Jews outperform Muslims in science!

^Such a false statement and they purposely ignore this - http://www.islamicboard.com/health-science/35385-setting-record-straight-miracle-islamic-science.html

ANd - http://www.1001inventions.com/1001inventions

Without Muslims we wouldn't have computers, we wouldn't have camera's, technology etc. Heck, some of the tools in surgery used 700 years ago is still used today. The first true Scientist was a Muslim, subhanallah.

If that site was honest, they wouldn't even TRY to compare Muslims with anyone in the field of science.

Just a biased, dishonest and twisting website, stay away from that crap.
 
Perseveranze said:
It's at the top brother -

Jews outperform Muslims in science!

^Such a false statement and they purposely ignore this - http://www.islamicboard.com/health-science/35385-setting-record-straight-miracle-islamic-science.html

ANd - http://www.1001inventions.com/1001inventions

Without Muslims we wouldn't have computers, we wouldn't have camera's, technology etc. Heck, some of the tools in surgery used 700 years ago is still used today. The first true Scientist was a Muslim, subhanallah.

If that site was honest, they wouldn't even TRY to compare Muslims with anyone in the field of science.

Just a biased, dishonest and twisting website, stay away from that crap.
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Oooh so that was the website, yes Fine that is it!! I now want to close this chapter, I want to just end these worries now so I am going to follow your advice which you posted a few posts before. This site is wrong therefore I will not allow this to disrupt me anymore??

The other site is wrong( http://www.understanding-islam.com/...r-in-a-hadith-regarding-deformed-animals-9122) ???

Therefore, there is nothing to worry me now, right?

And so I shall leave this all now insha Allah, and spend more time reaffirming my faith in Allah SWT, and making my imaan stronger insha Allah.
 
Saffy786 said:
Oooh so that was the website, yes Fine that is it!! I now want to close this chapter, I want to just end these worries now so I am going to follow your advice which you posted a few posts before. This site is wrong therefore I will not allow this to disrupt me anymore??

The other site is wrong( http://www.understanding-islam.com/...r-in-a-hadith-regarding-deformed-animals-9122) ???

Therefore, there is nothing to worry me now, right?

And so I shall leave this all now insha Allah, and spend more time reaffirming my faith in Allah SWT, and making my imaan stronger insha Allah.
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Asalaamu Alaikum, Brother enough is enough now. I have seen you like this for a long time now, what are you doing to yourself? How can a Muslim who lacks adequate knowledge go around trawling the internet for anti-Islamic websites and expect their imaan to remain in tact?

You will find the web FULL of absurd, false and incorrect information on Islam. The very purpose and intent of such websites is to spread false and incorrect information and lies about Islam and you are trawling through the internet searching for such websites for no reaosn whatsoever and causing yourself so much damage in the process!

A person may aswell headbutt the wall that is what you are doing to yourself. Stop this now and take a grip of yourself. Be firm in that you will NOT trawl the web for such websites again. Why should you? For what reason? Why not actually learn the TRUTH about Islam and learn as much knowledge as you can. How can anyone go searching for Islam through those who aim to spread lies and incorrect information about Islam?

It is clear you suffer from severe waswas (whisperings of shaythan) so why are you making your condition worse by drinking poison? Rather than finding a cure? Cure yourself from such a disease by NOT referring to such websites ever again and strengthening your imaan this Ramadan. Strengthen your imaan by worshipping Allah and doing everything to please him. Learn as much knowldge as you can about Islam and join some courses if need be and sit with the pious and learned.

Ban yourself from using the internet if need be! Do whatever it takes to NOT ever get yourself in such a position again. Stop damaging yourself now! Be firm never to repeat this behaviour again.

This month is such an amazing opportunity for us to get closer to Allah and strengthen our imaan but you are continuing to lower your imaan by what you are doing. You are doing the opposite to what a Muslim should do. So stop such behaviour at once and make the necessery changes NOW and do not repeat such behaviour again.

Do EVERYTHING to get closer to Allah and avoid anything which angers or displeases him. By you going to such websites is pleasing shaythan is that what you want? If not then stop going on such websites and stop pleasing shaythan and doing severe damage to your imaan. Stop wasting your Ramadan and stop wasting your life.

Use your precious little time that you have left in this life to worship and please Allah. Live for the hereafter. Live to please Allah and remember him as much as you can. Learn as much as you can about Islam through books, courses, attent your local Masjid and sit with the learned and pious and surround yourself with good and pious people.

Ask of Allah sincerely in dua to help you to keep you strong so you stay away from such filthy websites. It is not right for you as a Muslim or for your imaan to trawl through such sites. So make a firm committment to Allah that you will not repeat such behaviour again but that you will do EVERYTHING to get closer to him.


Here are some threads you should read to make the best of this blessed month and the rest of your life:


12 Ways to Maximize Everyday in Ramadan

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...308088-12-ways-maximize-everyday-ramadan.html


10 Steps to Increasing our Iman(Faith) this Ramadhan

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...steps-increasing-our-iman-faith-ramadhan.html


10 steps to getting closer to Allah this Ramadan

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...54-10-steps-getting-closer-allah-ramadan.html


VERY Rewarding Nafl Salaahs we can Pray Everyday this Ramadan!

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...afl-salaahs-we-can-pray-everyday-ramadan.html


Immense Rewards for Reciting the Qur'an in Ramadan

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...7-immense-rewards-reciting-quran-ramadan.html


15 Easy Good deeds to do throughout Ramadan!

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...15-easy-good-deeds-do-throughout-ramadan.html


40 Quick, Easy & Rewarding Good Deeds to do Everyday in Ramadhan!

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...ewarding-good-deeds-do-everyday-ramadhan.html


How productive was your day today in Ramadan?

http://www.islamicboard.com/fasting...13-how-productive-your-day-today-ramadan.html


If you need anymore help then please do not hesitate to ask. So make the changes NOW for you may not have a tomorrow.
 
Saffy786 said:
Oooh so that was the website, yes Fine that is it!! I now want to close this chapter, I want to just end these worries now so I am going to follow your advice which you posted a few posts before. This site is wrong therefore I will not allow this to disrupt me anymore??

The other site is wrong( http://www.understanding-islam.com/...r-in-a-hadith-regarding-deformed-animals-9122) ???

Therefore, there is nothing to worry me now, right?

And so I shall leave this all now insha Allah, and spend more time reaffirming my faith in Allah SWT, and making my imaan stronger insha Allah.
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Lol believe me brother, there's nothing to ever doubt in regards to Islam. I've looked at everything I possibly can and there's nothing at all, just made me stronger in faith/imaan.

I'm like this now;

‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, among others, would say: “If the veil of the Unseen were lifted up, my certainty would not increase.”

Close the chapter and refirm your faith in Allah(swt) and make your imaan strong inshallah. This is an interesting link, if your up for having a good read, then check it out - http://www.theinimitablequran.com
 
Perseveranze said:
Lol believe me brother, there's nothing to ever doubt in regards to Islam. I've looked at everything I possibly can and there's nothing at all, just made me stronger in faith/imaan.

I'm like this now;

‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, among others, would say: “If the veil of the Unseen were lifted up, my certainty would not increase.”

Close the chapter and refirm your faith in Allah(swt) and make your imaan strong inshallah. This is an interesting link, if your up for having a good read, then check it out - http://www.theinimitablequran.com
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JazakAllah for your help and advice, I know I am such a curious person, yet I don't pursue the knowledge myself to remove my worries, which I know is wrong:( I have just one more question:

In the previous post I made( about the animals/hadith topic), what did you mean when you said 'quoting it out of context'? Also, was that the same question as the one I copied from the other site, because the answer seems hard to understand!? Or maybe it requires some background reading? Sorry to be bugging you again because of my lack of knowledge here!

JazakAllah
 
brother - i told you clearly - the subject they used was from suarh baqarah, where the man asked how Almighty God could bring a ruined town back to life - he was made do die for 100 years, when he woke up, he thought he had slept for a day or half a day, his donkey's bones only remained, and his food was totally intact, the donkey was re-created from it's bones, they full well knew this and without giving the full verse, they made out that this is the creation process, here is their mis-statement:

Keith L. Moore knows that the Koran is wrong when it says that bones are formed first, then flesh is placed upon them.
"Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh ..." (Al-Baqara 2:259)​
The Koran gives the impression that first the skeleton is formed, and then it is clothed with mustle. Dr. Bucaille knows perfectly well that this is not true. The muscles and the cartilage precursors of the bones start forming from the somite at the same time. At the end of the eighth week there are only a few centers of ossification started but the fetus is already capable of some muscular movement.

here is the full verse:

Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age;

and look at thy donkey:
And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people,
Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh."
When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."
Quran 2:259

from their first presentation - you can see that this is a perversion of the facts - so please do the research into the verses for the context.

that was not the creation process - that is the resurrection process,

and regarding the verse in Surah Mu-minun:
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood ('Alaqah) ; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump (Mudghah); then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh (lahm); then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Quran 23-14

the Quran clearly says the Mudghah comes before the bones or meat,
now many people have attempted to interpret the word "mudhah" and come out with different explanations - some have said chewed appearance, or chewed substance, some have said lump, and some have given other interpretations - now we know it hasn't been chewed by anyone so it could mean chewed appearance or something not completely defined or anything that Almighty God may have intended, after the bones part the term "lahm" is used, this is almost unanimously interpreted as "meat" or "flesh", how do we know that Almighty God does not define this stage as different from the pre-skeletal stage - as the composition of the substance is constantly changing?, obviously composition of the "chewed" pre-skeletal stuff is not the same as the post skeletal stuff even though the transition is occurring during the formation of cartilage, so if Almighty God decided to use two different terms to describe pre-skeletal flesh and post-skeletal flesh, does that mean it's wrong? or does it mean that he gave it a different definition. bearing in mind that these are human words.

on the same topic - the debunkers might ask: why call one mudghah and the other lahm when it's the same thing,
well - their predecessors would have said the same thing - when all the while THEY DIDN'T KNOW OF - OR HAVE A DEFINITION FOR CARTILAGE AT THE TIME, they called it all bone.
so the current debunkers might ask, why say bones when cartilage comes before bones?
so then one might ask - why did your ancestors call it bone?
if you have now come to understand - only in the past few centuries that there is a slightly different composition in cartilage than what we now define as bone - could it not be that we will in future find that there is a stark contrast between the composition of the flesh - pre-cartilage/bone stage and post stage,
should Almighty God have given them a new word for the initial stages of bone also at the time?
i would say: no - because many would still not use the word cartilage and see the forming structure as initial stages of bone. walk around with an x-ray of a foetus and the majority will tell you it's bone - despite a new term for this initial stage of bone having been coined.
but Almighty God DID see a reason in separating the terms used for pre-skeletal and post skeletal flesh, and we will God Willing - in future continue to coin various new terms even in between that for the process.

p.s some things in the Quran explain appearance and not intricate details, when it talks of Dhul Qarnain - it mentions the Sun setting in a murky place - anyone who hasn't lived in the real world would say this is nonesense - yet anyone who speaks the speech of humans - would know that even scientists don't wake up and say: the earth has rotated on it's y axis, they use the terms "sunrise" and "sunset" , and the Quran was revealed to humans in human speech, in a way they can comprehend, it was even revealed in two different dialects, the Makkan verses and the Medinese verses are different arabic, Caliph Uthman (or i think abu bakr) had to get rid of all the texts in different dialects form all over Arabia and used the parchments that 'umar (ra)'s daughter and the Prophet (pbuh)'s wife Ummul mu-mineen Hafsah had in safekeeping with her to make a standardized text. Allah revealed to humans in the easiest possible terms they could comprehend,

We sent not a Messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people,
in order to make (things) clear to them.
Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
Quran 14:4

Understand that the Quran does not go into intricate genealogies and ancestors etc like the previous scriptures,
it goes to the point of morals and remembrance, of reflection, so don't be surprised if it talks of sunset - also google the term "sunrise" and you'll get a time when the sun rises in your locality from knowledgable weather experts and astronomers - despite the sun having neither risen - nor set. i'm sure you yourself feel more comfortable with the term, i personally would look at someone in a weird way if they woke up and told me that "the earth has completed a full rotation on it's y axis" - and i would most likely say: "english please - freaK".
 
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Perseveranze said:
Lol believe me brother, there's nothing to ever doubt in regards to Islam. I've looked at everything I possibly can and there's nothing at all, just made me stronger in faith/imaan.

I'm like this now;

‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, among others, would say: “If the veil of the Unseen were lifted up, my certainty would not increase.”

Close the chapter and refirm your faith in Allah(swt) and make your imaan strong inshallah. This is an interesting link, if your up for having a good read, then check it out - http://www.theinimitablequran.com
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Assalaamu-Alaykum Brother Perseveranze and to everyone else here,

Look at this link: http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm

And here is the rebuttal to it: http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam-questions_rebuttal.htm

What do you think? Shouldn't www.bible.ca/islam be on the list of anti-Islamic websites?

JazakAllah, wasalaam.
 
Saffy786 said:
Assalaamu-Alaykum Brother Perseveranze and to everyone else here,

Look at this link: http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-questions.htm

And here is the rebuttal to it: http://www.answering-christianity.co...s_rebuttal.htm

What do you think? Shouldn't www.bible.ca/islam be on the list of anti-Islamic websites?

JazakAllah, wasalaam.
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:sl:

I'm confused. Whats your deal, bro?
If you are already aware that it's anti Islam website, why do you keep insisting on us to go to that website?
That website was deleted by mods in your early post, and yet you kept on posting it.

May Allah SWT give you guidance, regardless of your motive.
 
Saffy786 said:
But can anyone just clarify my worries? I think I've got nazar.... or I'm becoming weaker
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There have been tens of replies in this thread. And they are clearly sufficient in clarifying your worries already. Have you actually read them? Which part of those replies that you have not found to be satisfying?
Please read them.
 

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