Sunni - Shi'a unity

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Who cares? Im past caring because lets face it, There will never be unity until the end of times, simple as that
salaam, well you should have faith that we will unite brother. I truly feel when Allah see we are ready, than we will not care for the mere difference and we will see we are the slaves of Allah and follow his words and guidance... and unite!

So I care and probably many more other Muslims! :)
 
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salaam, well you should have faith that we will unite brother. I truly feel when Allah see we are ready, than we will not care for the mere difference and we will see we are the slaves of Allah and follow his words and guidance... and unite!

So I care and probably many more other Muslims! :)

I have always championed for 'unity' amongst the Muslims, Whether one is Sunni, Shia, Bralwi, Deobandi, Salafi, whatever..We are MUSLIM and we should unite under the banner of ISLAM..but sadly... the reality is that were more divided now then we ever were.

Im past caring, As far as im concerned UNITY is a dream that may not come to fruition in my lifetime
 
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I have always championed for 'unity' amongst the Muslims, Whether one is Sunni, Shia, Bralwi, Deobandi, Salafi, whatever..We are MUSLIM and we should unite under the banner of ISLAM..but sadly... the reality is that were more divided now then we ever were.

Im past caring, As far as im concerned UNITY is a dream that may not come to fruition in my lifetime

I understand now!
 
But for all the other sub sects of shias that I've learned about so far, cursing is part of their belief.
So far you been speaking and reading wrong brother! With all due respect brother, nope, we DO NOT have that apart of our belief. Like I said that is haraam!
Salam sister, I respect your opinion and I hope other shia come to be like you too. But I was told in number of imam barghas and by number of shi'i scholars that cursing carries great reward. Here is discussion on a shia forum http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/58680-cursing/

If you direct this to them that would be better, because I'm just saying what I was told by shia scholars.

Regards,
 
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Waliakum Salaam,

There is a difference between correcting someone and judging them. If someone says something that is incorrect, there is nothing wrong with correcting them in a polite manner.



Is it not ironic? You say that it is not ideal to look at other's mistake but here you already passed a judgment that a Shia you know is better than many people who claim to be Sunni. Are you not being judgemental to the Sunnis that you know?


Salam Alaikkum, there is nothing wrong suggesting one made a mistake and he/she should see that, but everyone here would agree that it's like Flowergarden feels responsible for all the madness of Shiism.

Pls see where I am coming from, I am just showing that regardless of religion or sect that doesn't ensure a person is good or not, I didn't give an example or see it that way like people did here to Flowergarden, she could be questioned like
'Hi Ms Flowergarden is it true that Shiaa has hatred for Sahaba?' No, it wasnt brought that way, she was attacked already.


Hence my point of view is for people who has misconception about ISLAM, SHIAA, SUNNI, CHRISTIAN OR JEWS, how can we generalize?

I have given example of someone who claims he/she is Sunni and troubles everyone, and yes ironically always going to Mecca too, another one who claims he is a Muslim but terminated a person without any explanation or valid reason, and yes in the Holy Month of Ramadan???

Now my question is that, how can one ensure he or she is indeed a TRUE MUSLIM for real when judgment day is yet to come?











"Allah has revealed to me, that you must be humble. No one should boast over one another, and no one should oppress another." (Iyad b. Hinar al-Mujashi: Muslim)
 
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I was a member in shiachat. I came to them with clean heart and only to know closer my muslim family who stand on different side.

I introduced myself, said salaam, but no one replied me. I tried to discuss with them, but someone called me as a man from other religion. I asked some questions about shia in good manner, Mr.Toyibonline replied it with cursing sayeedna Umar. Astaghfirullah !

I tried to keep in patience, but I saw in shiachat I am regarded as their enemy. Not by all of them, of course. But only by extreme people there. However, it's enough as a reason for me to leave them. I told myself "Okay, if they can't accept me as a brother, I leave them".

I spend almost three years in Islamicboard. I feel like live in the big family of Muslims. I enjoy it, and I am happy. I know, admins and moderators here are sunni.

Then I see some shia came to this forum. They were coming with clean hearts, and they were coming because they wanted to join with their family in Islam from sunni.

Should I regard them as my enemies like extremists in shiachat regard me as their enemy ?. No !. I won't !. If I regard them as my enemies, what's difference between me and extremists in shiachat ?. I am not an extremist, that's why I accept them as my family in Islam.

I know, there are differences between sunni and shia. But I also know there are similarities between sunni and shia. My shia uncle did not perform salah taraweeh. But he does not hate sunni, even sometime me and him prayed together. Shia in this forum are shia who do not hate sunni. I know it.

Can we unite sunni and shia in the world as one ummah ?. I am afraid to dream about it because this is not realistic. Unite all sunni and all shia as one ummah is thousands times harder than only unite Saudi Arabia and Iran as one country.

But I believe, we can do something that more realistic, make a small world where sunni and shia can live together and respect each other. And Islamicboard forum is our small world. This world is too small for the real world, of course, just like an oasis in the great desert. But we can build more oasis.

So, try to throw away hatred in our hearts. Lets we build a small world of Muslims where non-Muslims who respect to Muslims can join too.
 
Salam sister, I respect your opinion and I hope other shia come to be like you too. But I was told in number of imam barghas and by number of shi'i scholars that cursing carries great reward. Here is discussion on a shia forum http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index....58680-cursing/

If you direct this to them that would be better, because I'm just saying what I was told by shia scholars.



Regards,

JazakAllah Khair, thank you brother.
How ever I was banned from that site! :heated: LOL! There are a lot of shia their who believe it is a must to curse, but I don't see the point, I actually see it as a sin. I leave all in Allah's hand. So brother you will come across shia such as, but my family wouldn't curse anyone. I am shia, but love my sunni brothers and sister, that just how I am. and I won't change. :D
 
I was a member in shiachat. I came to them with clean heart and only to know closer my muslim family who stand on different side.

I introduced myself, said salaam, but no one replied me. I tried to discuss with them, but someone called me as a man from other religion. I asked some questions about shia in good manner, Mr.Toyibonline replied it with cursing sayeedna Umar. Astaghfirullah !

I tried to keep in patience, but I saw in shiachat I am regarded as their enemy. Not by all of them, of course. But only by extreme people there. However, it's enough as a reason for me to leave them. I told myself "Okay, if they can't accept me as a brother, I leave them".

I spend almost three years in Islamicboard. I feel like live in the big family of Muslims. I enjoy it, and I am happy. I know, admins and moderators here are sunni.

Then I see some shia came to this forum. They were coming with clean hearts, and they were coming because they wanted to join with their family in Islam from sunni.

Should I regard them as my enemies like extremists in shiachat regard me as their enemy ?. No !. I won't !. If I regard them as my enemies, what's difference between me and extremists in shiachat ?. I am not an extremist, that's why I accept them as my family in Islam.

I know, there are differences between sunni and shia. But I also know there are similarities between sunni and shia. My shia uncle did not perform salah taraweeh. But he does not hate sunni, even sometime me and him prayed together. Shia in this forum are shia who do not hate sunni. I know it.

Can we unite sunni and shia in the world as one ummah ?. I am afraid to dream about it because this is not realistic. Unite all sunni and all shia as one ummah is thousands times harder than only unite Saudi Arabia and Iran as one country.

But I believe, we can do something that more realistic, make a small world where sunni and shia can live together and respect each other. And Islamicboard forum is our small world. This world is too small for the real world, of course, just like an oasis in the great desert. But we can build more oasis.

So, try to throw away hatred in our hearts. Lets we build a small world of Muslims where non-Muslims who respect to Muslims can join too.
^ I personally have no hate in my heart for Shia's or any other group. The point that I and many of the posters were trying to make was that some Shia's have views that are deviant. If there are shia's like flowergarden or the zayedi shia's mentioned in this topic who do not curse or malign the sahaba and the ummul mumineen then I would love to be unified with them. There are however those who do as you yourself mentioned and I want nothing to do with them. I love who the prophet loved which includes his companions and his wives and I dislike who he disliked. The prophet himself in a saheeh hadith cursed those who cursed his companions and punished those who spread lies about Ayesha. I don't see any leeway there neither do I get the whole "quran sunnah mantra" in light of the hadith in reference to cursing the sahaba and of Allah's words vindicating Ayesha. I don't think anybody was personally attacking anyone on this topic and Allah knows best.
Salam
 
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Then I see some shia came to this forum. They were coming with clean hearts, and they were coming because they wanted to join with their family in Islam from sunni.

Should I regard them as my enemies like extremists in shiachat regard me as their enemy ?. No !. I won't !. If I regard them as my enemies, what's difference between me and extremists in shiachat ?. I am not an extremist, that's why I accept them as my family in Islam.

I am ashamed to have read that. Please accept my apology on behalf of the GOOD Shia community, that is so awful! Shia Chat is a mean place I was banned from there, they have a lot of extremist on there.

I hope you can see that not all Shia are like that, I am more like you brothers and sisters!
 
I just to mention, there will be bad everywhere in any religion or country... but we can always say ALL those people are bad just because of a couple of rotten apples. Just like Riana said, I feel awful that many have felt Shia hurt them, but truly there are many Shia who love all Muslim who follow Allah's words. It is a matter of looking at their hearts!
 
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Greetings and peace be with you Vision;
I have always championed for 'unity' amongst the Muslims, Whether one is Sunni, Shia, Bralwi, Deobandi, Salafi, whatever..We are MUSLIM and we should unite under the banner of ISLAM..

We need more people like you.

the reality is that were more divided now then we ever were.

Sadly I agree with you.

Im past caring, As far as im concerned UNITY is a dream that may not come to fruition in my lifetime

There is too much injustice in this world for unity to happen, but we must never give up on striving for justice with peace, that leads to unity. We are either a part of the solution, or a part of the problem, if we give up trying, then we become a part of the problem.

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people.

Eric
 
Salaam alaikum wr wb

"He said, "O my people have you considered: if I should be upon clear evidence from my Lord while He has given me mercy from Himself but it has been made unapparent to you, should we force it upon you while you are averse to it?" 11:28 Qur'an
 
I am ashamed to have read that. Please accept my apology on behalf of the GOOD Shia community, that is so awful! Shia Chat is a mean place I was banned from there, they have a lot of extremist on there.

I hope you can see that not all Shia are like that, I am more like you brothers and sisters!
You don't need to apologize because you didn't do something wrong to me. Also I never regard Shia people are my enemies although some of them regard me as their enemy.

You are my sister in Islam.
 
As someone who is interested in Islam I just wanted to say the following. I have always admired the unity of Muslims from the outside as when you see all the Muslims going to Mecca for pilgrimage together and how they all are side by side praying to God. It is really something Muslims should be proud of and it is one of the reasons which attracted me to Islam and wanted me to know more about it. It is a shame that this unity doesn't continue on the inside because not only does it do harm for the Islamic community itself but it also does harm for those seeking the truth in Islam when they see Muslims arguing amongst each other. People can sometimes be their own worse enemy.
 
As someone who is interested in Islam I just wanted to say the following. I have always admired the unity of Muslims from the outside as when you see all the Muslims going to Mecca for pilgrimage together and how they all are side by side praying to God. It is really something Muslims should be proud of and it is one of the reasons which attracted me to Islam and wanted me to know more about it. It is a shame that this unity doesn't continue on the inside because not only does it do harm for the Islamic community itself but it also does harm for those seeking the truth in Islam when they see Muslims arguing amongst each other. People can sometimes be their own worse enemy.

Salam Sister

We cannot avoid this, people have different opinions, however whether it is Sunni or Shiaa we all follow ONE QURAN and SUNNAH, we all pray 5times daily to one true God. I hope you will not loose your interest in ISLAM because of this issue. There is only kind of MUSLIM and I hope you find the right one.

May Allah show you the right path forever Amen.
 
As someone who is interested in Islam I just wanted to say the following. I have always admired the unity of Muslims from the outside as when you see all the Muslims going to Mecca for pilgrimage together and how they all are side by side praying to God. It is really something Muslims should be proud of and it is one of the reasons which attracted me to Islam and wanted me to know more about it. It is a shame that this unity doesn't continue on the inside because not only does it do harm for the Islamic community itself but it also does harm for those seeking the truth in Islam when they see Muslims arguing amongst each other. People can sometimes be their own worse enemy.

It is sad indeed, but such issues arise because people deviate in their beliefs, when you go to the doctor and tell him you have an illness he diagnoses you with a disease, that disease has a name by which it is recognised, similarly we have a name for people who's belief has been infected with a disease and is no longer pure. It's important to diagnose the disease of these people so other people become aware of it and are able to avoid it and to recognise it's symptoms. If we didn't diagnose the disease and give it a name then people would not know to stay away from it instead they might become infected with it, until the disease spread through the entire population and we all became corrupted with the wrong belief. And the result would be that the true teachings of the prophet pbuh become lost.

We have many diseased people who's belief has become corrupted and they are no longer upon the belief of the early Muslims, not just Shia's but many other groups who's belief became corrupted, they've existed through out history, we've protected ourselves by terming their disease with a name and explaining why it's wrong.

But this shouldn't worry you, because the prophet of Islam predicted that people will invent new beliefs that are not from Islam and still call themselves Muslims even though their belief is not in accordance with the teachings of Islam, he said the Muslim ummah will split into 73 groups and the correct group is the one that is upon the same belief as him and his companions.

Pure uncorrupted belief is so important that it must be protected, if it isn't then the truth becomes lost in falsehood.

The reason why these devient beliefs spread through out the Muslim ummah is because when the Muslims spread Islam to other countries there were people who didn't like the fact that Islam had come to their land because it challenged the status quo, it gave people equal rights, it gave women the right to inherit, it gave wife's numerous rights so that their husbands could no longer treat them like crap, it gave slaves rights to the point that slavery became quite a good profession for people, when people think of slavery they automatically think negative but after Islam gave slaves rights then it was like a profession, it also encouraged the freeing of slaves as great reward-able acts, and there are many other instances where Islam challenged the status quo, as a result people sought to destroy the religion of Islam from within by claiming to be Muslim and then spreading deviant beliefs, one of the reasons Islam came was to free humans from worshipping the created things, whether it be a statue/elephant or a man claiming to be God or a man claiming the right to legislate laws for you on what you're allowed to do and what you aren't allowed to do.

Islam came to free people from this and bring them to the worship of the creator and take them away from the slavery and rule of men to the servitude of the creator it tells us that all men are equal before God and he looks at our hearts not our appearances.

So you had people who hated Islam for such reasons and want to destroy it, they figured the best way to destroy it was to infiltrate it and spread their disease from within, and that's how many deviant groups arose. You even had people from other faiths who wanted to destroy Islam so they would also try to spread deviance and sadly some of them succeeded in their task of corrupting the belief of the Muslims' for example Abdullah ibn sabah, a Jew, played a significant part in the establishment of the Shia creed. Which arose after the death of the prophet (saw). Of course modern Shia's will deny he ever existed and try to hide it, however it's "documented and confirmed in many of the earlier so called prominent and reliable shia books and their scholars, despite the fact that many of the contemporary shias completely deny he ever existed".

You may be wondering how these deviant beliefs are identified, well if they go against the Qur'an and authentic sunnah then they are not from Islam, for example there is a group who call themselves Muslims yet they believe there was another prophet after the prophet Muhammed (saw) this is a clear contravention of the Islamic texts which state that Muhammed was the final messenger to mankind, also this belief is not found amongst the early Muslims, that is another way we know it's know from Islam.

Yet this group walk around calling themselves Muslims, when they hold a belief that contradicts the testimony of faith. Hence the disease in their belief has been labelled with a name by the scholars of Islam.

I hope I've made things more clearer for you.
 
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As someone who is interested in Islam I just wanted to say the following. I have always admired the unity of Muslims from the outside as when you see all the Muslims going to Mecca for pilgrimage together and how they all are side by side praying to God. It is really something Muslims should be proud of and it is one of the reasons which attracted me to Islam and wanted me to know more about it. It is a shame that this unity doesn't continue on the inside because not only does it do harm for the Islamic community itself but it also does harm for those seeking the truth in Islam when they see Muslims arguing amongst each other. People can sometimes be their own worse enemy.
We don't have disagreements on core beliefs like the nature of God and Quran.
 
Salam Sister

We cannot avoid this, people have different opinions, however whether it is Sunni or Shiaa we all follow ONE QURAN and SUNNAH, we all pray 5times daily to one true God. I hope you will not loose your interest in ISLAM because of this issue. There is only kind of MUSLIM and I hope you find the right one.

May Allah show you the right path forever Amen.

Salaam,

Actually Shia's pray 3 times a day. o_o
 
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