is it ok if i don't like saudi arabia

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The saudi goverent does not even encourage/ allow muslims of other nationalities to start businesses in their lands,unless people have a british or a US passport, that is so unbelievable. Same is the case with the Emirate states, 3 to 4 times pay scale for people who have Uk , US ,EU, Canadian passports, and small pay scales for people who belong to muslim countries, Saudia and the EMirates are purely ruled by the Americans, not by themselves, sad indeed.

But that does not mean that saudis are bad people, there are very good people among the arabs, and they have some really good qualities, like they know the history of Islam so well, understand the Quran well and what I really like is that they leave their shops completely un-attended at prayer times, and there is no theft or burglary MashALlah. And they are welcoming of guests as well.
 
Another thing I like about Saudi Arabia which I forgot to mention is low crime rate and how easy it is to pray namaz.
 
The prophet warned muslims of racism, he particularily warned arabs who may think they are better than others.

Hadeeth : Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Ch. 3 :
“ All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. „

1 - Saudi Arabia is the most sacred place in the world, but unfortunately the people who rule KSA are the worst people in the world (King Abdullah et. al),
I can't blame ordinary saudi people about that.

2 - Saudi people are very nice people, but some of them act nastily. That's true, and they should be ashamed of themselves because they desecrate this holy country by this behavior. Not generalizing this to all saudi people, because Alhamdulillah, I know most of them are good people.

3 - Racists and mean people exist everywhere.
 
marwen said:

1 - Saudi Arabia is the most sacred place in the world, but unfortunately the people who rule KSA are the worst people in the world (King Abdullah et. al),
I can't blame ordinary saudi people about that.
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No. Mecca is the most sacred place in the world. It doesn't confer holiness to the rest of the country simply because someone drew its national boundary in that way. The precursor of present Saudi Arabia was the Kingdom of Nejd, which didn't even rule over the Hedjaz at first. Did the rest of Nejd suddenly become holy simply because the Hedjaz was annexed to it?
 
Futuwwa said:
No. Mecca is the most sacred place in the world. It doesn't confer holiness to the rest of the country simply because someone drew its national boundary in that way. The precursor of present Saudi Arabia was the Kingdom of Nejd, which didn't even rule over the Hedjaz at first. Did the rest of Nejd suddenly become holy simply because the Hedjaz was annexed to it?
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I think he made a mistake but meant that Mecca and Medina are the sacred places and not Saudi as a whole.
 
Futuwwa said:
No. Mecca is the most sacred place in the world. It doesn't confer holiness to the rest of the country simply because someone drew its national boundary in that way. The precursor of present Saudi Arabia was the Kingdom of Nejd, which didn't even rule over the Hedjaz at first. Did the rest of Nejd suddenly become holy simply because the Hedjaz was annexed to it?
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Ghazalah said:
I think he made a mistake but meant that Mecca and Medina are the sacred places and not Saudi as a whole.
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Yes, sister Ghazalah is right. Jazakum Allahu Khayran.
 
the land is holy but it doesn't make the people pure ryt ?
governments are filled with crap they pay europeans good pay but to a poor man less ! so what ? we cannot do anything

just wasting time typing KSA this USA that UAE .... blah blah blah

sorry for entering this useless crappy thread !

Im outa here
 
I thought as much, but it's an important distinction to make, one that not everyone makes. For example, one of Osama bin Laden's grievances against the US was over the stationing of US troops on what he considered "holy land" - even though there's no actual US military base within over a thousand kilometres from Mecca or Medina.
 
Tragic Typos said:
Salaam,

I'm more angry with the people that worship them, make excuses for them and try to copy them (e.g. big expensive weddings).


^ Ugh...what is wrong with this man?

EDIT: a tragic typo...
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To be honest... I could not even watch half of it.... "his highness" - Bu!!sh!t.. he is a materialistic fool.
.. and he is a wrong example. May ALLAH change his thoughts to Islamic.

Umar Ibn Kathab - Whom persia, egypt,europe feared..... I love him.. and his Khilafat.
We need Khilafa back very very soon :(..Ya ALLAH help us unite.

w.r.t OP : I like the environment of the islamic holy places and their environment across the world .. Nothing specific to country..
 
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Eh, it's the same everywhere, I reckon. I've never been outside of the US aside from a cruise to the Caribbean 11 years ago, but I know that there are good people and bad people no matter where you go. You just have to learn to sort of who is who and only deal with the good ones and ignore the bad ones.

Maybe it's a bit simplistic, but there it is.
 
IS IT OK TO NOT LIKE SAUDI


well firstly have you been to saudi ...do you know saudi people

yes there are arrogant..racist and some ccorrupt saudis


but you cannot generalise about people....

the saudis are generally hopsitable and welcoming people..............

the present king has given billions to lebanon palestine egypt tunisia libya and somalia...

in saudi there are not half naked women in public there are not pubs or brothels..
there is very low crime,,,,,low cost of living ....

some people criticising ,,,saudi live in the west...benefitting from the west..yet they hate the west


is your country perfect before you criticise saudi
 
Tragic Typos said:
Salaam,

Both of them mistreat and exploit migrant workers and the government is a monarchy. It makes me sick when the royal family members spend so much money on luxurious goods while there are people living in poverty. Also both countries do not have the guts to speak against the US and Israel. Other than that, I like the culture of both countries and the food.
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actually the people are not living in poverty.. everyone is entitled to live well from the government even without working
 
UEA said:
I know everything started in saudi arabia but i just don't like that country because it's always about saudi arabia in the muslim world. Other countries like UEA give more rights. What is your opinion?
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UAE gives more rights like ..discos bars bikini filled beaches,,,,etc etc
 
you can hate the saudi Arabian government for their being installed by the colonialists and working for them even now,
but apparently hating the Arabs is a way of demeaning the Noble Messenger (pbuh):

It was narrated that Salmaan said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said:
“O Salmaan, do not hate me and leave your religion.”
I said: O Messenger of Allah, how could I hate you when Allah has guided me through you?
He said: ‘By hating the Arabs you would hate me.”.

This hadeeth was narrated by al-Tirmidhi (no. 3927); al-Bazzaar in his Musnad (2513); al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer (6/238); al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (4/86); and others, via Abu Badr al-Shujaa’ ibn al-Waleed, from Qaboos ibn Abi Zabyaan, from his father, from Salmaan.

the reliability of the hadith has been found to have a few weak narrators in the chain - but it's there anyway. link added for further reference:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/117609

the narration itself though does make sense to me.

and as others have said - most Arabs are very hospitable big-hearted people.
 
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is it ok if i don't like saudi arabia
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Sure, it's ok if you dislike Saudi Arabia. Just don't say it!

If there had been a bunch of nations listed somewhere... and next to each of them there was a DISLIKE button, would you click on it?

Well, I would not. Openly showing dislike for something or someone isn't the way of the Prophet (saws).

Remember the hadith: "Whosoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, must either speak good or remain silent." - Muslim.

As Muslims we are obligated to think the best of our fellow brothers and sisters in Islam. Have we forgotten that?

It's easy to criticize and point fingers at others. Have we achieved righteousness of such great level that we are now in a position to pick at other people's faults and shortcomings?

Are we so set on correcting others that we have forgotten to turn our vision towards our own selves and see the monstrous faults we ourselves suffer from?

What right have we to make judgments of other people and other nations when such judgments are based on insufficient knowledge, sheer prejudice and ignorance? Are we being just when we make such judgments? And why classify people and put them into categories?

Is this how we would like Allah to judge us? Would we want Allah to judge us the same way we judge others?

If no, then cease speaking ill of anyone.

If you have nothing good to say BE SILENT.
 
and I remember a news last year that a royal family in Saudi Arabia paid Beyonce Knowles to perform for like hundreds of thousands USD a night :heated:...and they're still considered "islamic"?? maybe the only thing ticks me off about the Arabs are the way they treat their women soooo inferior, which is UN-ISLAMIC. Sadly the western media always associate the Arabs as Islam, whether they violate Islam rules or not. And I know a female friend of my mother told me a story she's wearing hijab and worked in Saudi as a doctor, and one day when she walked on a street a scary old man approached her and asked her if she's willing to be his wife +o(. Another story came from my aunt who already came home from umrah and she's been warned "if you walk to taxi, be sure your husband entered the taxi first otherwise the taxi driver will take the wife and leave the husband alone outside the taxi". another was a news where a woman in UEA who's a rape victim was punished in jail while the rapists were freed.

However I never go to Arab or UEA myself....so cannot really confirm whether those scary stories are true.
 
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I would advise country haters, to go back and look at what youre actually hating. When you talk about hating a country, the most popular thing to mention is what the ones in power are doing, hardly its people. Just because you have nut jobs running the country, doesnt make the country bad. Also, the trend with the media is to highlight the bad (especially of Muslim countries or a country that is not theirs), rather than be fair and show the good. A lot of good also comes out of countries who cares to show that?

Reanalyze what youre actually hating.

Let me give you an example. There are a lot of things I dislike about Pakistanis, generally what some of them do, especially the psycho politicians, does it mean everyones bad? I'm Pakistani yet I can think and feel dislike for a lot them, coz they send out a bad message but I wont say I hate Pakistan. It's not the fault of all the other billions of people living it. We hate being brushed with the same brush, when it comes to Muslims doing something stupid, so why are we doing the same? Has any country ever been void of issues? IF you havent been there, if you havent lived there or met every single human being in that country, what right do we have to speak ill of them? When I dont know something for certain and only hearsay, I refuse to hold an opinion. Simple.
 
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