Afghan, Mother and Daughter stoned and shot to death

[Darth Ultor]

You're a little behind on the times. I'm culturally Jewish but spiritually Theist.

 

[Abz2000]

dunno what that means - do you follow the guidance revealed to the prophets (pbut)?
or do you just make it up as you go along?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

There is no point speculating, debating and discussing an "alleged stoning" when we have no way of ascertaining the real true facts of this case (if such a case exists in the first place).

I remember not long ago the Australian Government was caught out trying to create Islamaphobie in the country by setting up a bogus Extremist Islamist website which allegedly called for terrorist activities in Australia. The exposure was extremely embarressing for the Australian government but it was hardly reported on mainstream media.

These types of stories are often created and used to try and defame Islam and Muslims, for It is all a part of the Zionist agenda to create Islamaphobia using the media as their tool. I am not saying these cases never happen but even if they did occur then they are purely cultural usually occuring in backward tribal areas which are outlawed and out of the reach of the law. They certainly have NOTHING to do with Islam because there is currently no Shariah system set up on this Earth as the last one fell in 1924.

The zionists continue with their agenda to try and create Islamaphobia in this world but they will never truly succeed for they are doing a Islam a great favour in giving it all the exposure it needs for the people of the world to look into it properly for themselves so that they can realise that Islam is NOTHING like how it is falsely portrayed in the media.

Since 911 - which was the beginning of the agenda to create Islamaphobia - Islam has continued to grow rapidly especially in the west and there are now more people turning to Islam than any other faith, belief or religion on the face of this Earth.

The truth will ALWAYS overcome falsehood!

May Allah unseal the hearts of those whos hearts are sealed and guide all to the truth. Ameen

 

[Darth Ultor]

dunno what that means - do you follow the guidance revealed to the prophets (pbut)?
or do you just make it up as you go along?

It means that I believe in God and try my best to do good deeds and abstain from sin. Every religion claims that their way is the right way. Fact remains is that we were not there for the revelations so who am I to boldly interpret the scriptures when they may not be authentic?

 

[Ramadhan]

As long as muslims truly live by Qur'an and asSunnah, who cares about what the west view us?

Now, the keyword here is: truly.

Shouldn't we care more about how Allah SWT view us rather than "the west"?

 

[GuestFellow]

There is no one else to verify it.

Salaam,

I think relying on the security officials is sufficient here. It is possible that some people are too afraid to report these incidents to the police and would prefer to avoid the media.

 

[Zone Maker]

That's what prisons are for. Because most crimes have a doubt. There's rarely guilt beyond ANY doubt. In fact, community service would have sufficed.

Which has no effect. Doubt has nothing to do here. If it was always about doubt crimes would spread (which is happening in the west) and we

wouldn't accomplish anything. The only reason you are saying this is because you don't like stoning period although the results are immediate.

Nothing we do in our lives is without doubt. It is faith and reason we are using here. And you are indirectly saying that GOD is wrong. Speak

from Qur'an and sunnah since it is what we are discussing here.

Adultery is between the sinners and God, not the state.

That is in your religion not ours. Don't bring your religion to the subject. Judaism is not Islam. A religion that doesn't effect our lives is no
religion.

Again if you have anything to say bring it from Qur'an and sunnah since we are talking about Islam here not some useless self satisfactory opinions.

Implementing the Laws of GOD is between the state and GOD, not you.

 

[Tyrion]

If what the news story says is even a little true, I can't understand how any (educated) Muslims would be for it. It's an obvious violation of Islamic law, as well as any other just law out there...

 

[Darth Ultor]

Which has no effect. Doubt has nothing to do here. If it was always about doubt crimes would spread (which is happening in the west) and we

wouldn't accomplish anything. The only reason you are saying this is because you don't like stoning period although the results are immediate.

Nothing we do in our lives is without doubt. It is faith and reason we are using here. And you are indirectly saying that GOD is wrong. Speak

from Qur'an and sunnah since it is what we are discussing here.



That is in your religion not ours. Don't bring your religion to the subject. Judaism is not Islam. A religion that doesn't effect our lives is no
religion.

Again if you have anything to say bring it from Qur'an and sunnah since we are talking about Islam here not some useless self satisfactory opinions.

Implementing the Laws of GOD is between the state and GOD, not you.

Yeah, because the CEO, I mean King of KSA is really implementing Islamic law.

 

[Ramadhan]

If what the news story says is even a little true, I can't understand how any (educated) Muslims would be for it. It's an obvious violation of Islamic law, as well as any other just law out there...

a little true?
which part?

Why can't muslims agree with stoning if it is implemented by sharia court?
Are you telling me prophet Muhammad (saw) was wrong for implementing stoning punishment for convicted adulteries?

 

[Tyrion]

Why can't muslims agree with stoning if it is implemented by sharia court?
Are you telling me prophet Muhammad (saw) was wrong for implementing stoning punishment for convicted adulteries?

*Sigh, I don't have time to start with you Ramadhan.. And no, I obviously wasn't saying the Prophet (pbuh) was wrong. (You already knew that though)

Did you even read the article? If the incident was anything like how it was described (with the woman and her daughter being taken out of their homes, stoned, and then shot... With no mention of any order, trial, witnesses, etc...) then it's obviously anything but Islamic... It's just murder. I hope it's not true, but honestly, it's baffling how far some members will go to deny wrongdoings when they're connected in any way, however indirectly, to Islam... (Or when there's a chance to bash the west...)

 

[Zone Maker]

Yeah, because the CEO, I mean King of KSA is really implementing Islamic law.

Every Muslim should know that what is being implemented in KSA is not an Islamic state.
The key word here is not what you “like”, what you “want” or what you “think”. The key word here is what “works”. Since wants and likes can be easily be modified, manipulated and exploited by outside entities. Then we go to things called logic and reason something that most if not all religions except for Islam throw out of the window. Here comes the dangerous part:

1- There are people like you who simply like to say let it be between the sinner and GOD which is anarchy like ideology from which Islam is innocent. Then you put laws which contradict your (let it be between the sinner and GOD) ideology in the first place which barely has any effect. Acting as if you know the laws of the universe yet you don’t even know the ingredients of the different foods you are eating every day. You are simply striping victims from their rights to defend themselves and the sign which will tell people that harsh consequence will befall them if they harm innocents basically striping believers from their humanity.

2- Then there are people like those in china who are the same as you acting as if they know all that are in the universe. They use logic and reason but, they deny the fact that they have limited knowledge. Basically implementing death penalty upon those who spread corruption. Although it is working does that mean we have to change Islam to implement such a law? No, because the ones who made such laws have limited knowledge of the world we are living in. They don’t know the consequence of such decisions in the long term. They are not gods they are creatures with limited knowledge. Only GOD knows such things.

I don’t want to be a weak creature were people can exploit me knowing no real and no harsh punishment will be used against them, a creature without dignity. A lifeless shell of what I could be. Neither do I want to be a violent monster that kills and destroys everything in its way. I want to be what GOD wants me to be a human.

P.S. To Muslims how can you be sure they are not the victims of the invading army. This is BBC we are talking about.

 

[Abz2000]

^ bro - i wish i could give you more reps, at last another brother who speaks the truth without grovelling to the colonialists

 

[esperanza]

*Sigh, I don't have time to start with you Ramadhan.. And no, I obviously wasn't saying the Prophet (pbuh) was wrong. (You already knew that though)

Did you even read the article? If the incident was anything like how it was described (with the woman and her daughter being taken out of their homes, stoned, and then shot... With no mention of any order, trial, witnesses, etc...) then it's obviously anything but Islamic... It's just murder. I hope it's not true, but honestly, it's baffling how far some members will go to deny wrongdoings when they're connected in any way, however indirectly, to Islam... (Or when there's a chance to bash the west...)

than kyou brother,,,yes people should read the artile properly,,,she was suspeted of a sin ..and punished in the middle of the night,,do you think it was evert proven or witnesses prevented,,, idont think so\\\

this is not about blaming the taliban,,,or about the west bashing islam\\

this is about a womans suffering,,,and whetbher this case is true,,, or not these things do happen ..just as hnor killings do happen\
where there is proven worng doing ..and offiial punishment..thats different

but there are countless cases where people take the law in their own hands

and there are cases of rape in muslim ounteries where women are afraid to report...\

but if a woman is just suspeted of something ..and a family or community memeber punishes her..none blinks an eye

come on people wake up


many people will riticse me for portaraying muslims in a bad light..that is not my objefdtive,,,but,,,there are many muslims who are far way from being true muslimns

and fact there are many crimes ommitted against women

true the west is killing muslims true the west has high rates of violene and rape

but its muslims we care about

we think about the west view of islam

well maybe we should change this view by improviung ourselves and presenting a better view of islam to them

 

[Abz2000]

first of - they've got us debating about an issue which we don't even know t be true,
secondly, if it was true - we still don't know the facts and know that the lamestream media are more than capable of twisting facts (they even make news up),
thirdly, if it was all true and they were what they were accused of, then it would still have to be in private as the taliban just don't get to run courts of justice, opium dealing u.s puppet karzai runs the courts of injustice instead.
fourthly, if it is true, then the u.s would have probably given them a license and even promoted them as role models for afghan society.
the problem is that the courts are corrupt, the police are being corrupted, the army is corrupt anyway, and the occupiers are satanists.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Every Muslim should know that what is being implemented in KSA is not an Islamic state.
The key word here is not what you “like”, what you “want” or what you “think”. The key word here is what “works”. Since wants and likes can be easily be modified, manipulated and exploited by outside entities. Then we go to things called logic and reason something that most if not all religions except for Islam throw out of the window. Here comes the dangerous part:

1- There are people like you who simply like to say let it be between the sinner and GOD which is anarchy like ideology from which Islam is innocent. Then you put laws which contradict your (let it be between the sinner and GOD) ideology in the first place which barely has any effect. Acting as if you know the laws of the universe yet you don’t even know the ingredients of the different foods you are eating every day. You are simply striping victims from their rights to defend themselves and the sign which will tell people that harsh consequence will befall them if they harm innocents basically striping believers from their humanity.

2- Then there are people like those in china who are the same as you acting as if they know all that are in the universe. They use logic and reason but, they deny the fact that they have limited knowledge. Basically implementing death penalty upon those who spread corruption. Although it is working does that mean we have to change Islam to implement such a law? No, because the ones who made such laws have limited knowledge of the world we are living in. They don’t know the consequence of such decisions in the long term. They are not gods they are creatures with limited knowledge. Only GOD knows such things.

I don’t want to be a weak creature were people can exploit me knowing no real and no harsh punishment will be used against them, a creature without dignity. A lifeless shell of what I could be. Neither do I want to be a violent monster that kills and destroys everything in its way. I want to be what GOD wants me to be a human.

P.S. To Muslims how can you be sure they are not the victims of the invading army. This is BBC we are talking about.

Have you thought out every aspect of your post? Does adultery really disturb public order enough to execute someone? Okay, if it's an Islamic state, then Sharia must be implemented but are you honestly saying that every alleged adulterer was really guilty? Doesn't the Islamic justice system put the burden of proof on the prosecution and not the defense? Rape victims have been executed too whereas the rapists got off with a slap on the wrist (but I won't get any article because it will be dismissed as Zionist propaganda). I remember reading here that the prosecution needs four witnesses minimum to even bring a case to court. Only way to prove that is if they were out in public together showing affection unless they look through the window of a private house, which is forbidden.

 

[Darth Ultor]

^ bro - i wish i could give you more reps, at last another brother who speaks the truth without grovelling to the colonialists

Colonialists? You think you sound impressive using big words like occupation, Zionism, colonialists, and corruption? Did I give the order to start these wars? No. Just because people don't hold all your views, it doesn't mean they're all part of the "Conspiracy to Destroy Islam".

If you want my views of the war, here they are.

Afghanistan: We did what we came to do. We destroyed the al-Qaeda stronghold there along with getting Osama bin Laden. In other words, we got those responsible for 9/11. Now we have no more purpose there. For all I care, civil war may resume in that country like it was before the West got in. The Taliban was never an enemy of the United States or its allies.

Iraq: I am embarrassed about that war. It makes me sick that 3 million Iraqis and 4500 Americans died for absolutely nothing. I hated Saddam Hussein, but he was never a threat to us. In fact, was he even really Muslim let alone an Islamic fundamentalist?

 

[Ramadhan]

*Sigh, I don't have time to start with you Ramadhan.. And no, I obviously wasn't saying the Prophet (pbuh) was wrong. (You already knew that though)

Did you even read the article? If the incident was anything like how it was described (with the woman and her daughter being taken out of their homes, stoned, and then shot... With no mention of any order, trial, witnesses, etc...) then it's obviously anything but Islamic... It's just murder. I hope it's not true, but honestly, it's baffling how far some members will go to deny wrongdoings when they're connected in any way, however indirectly, to Islam... (Or when there's a chance to bash the west...)

Well, i don't know what you meant, Tyrion.
That's why I asked you "which little part"?

I just thought you disagreed with stoning punishment for adultery.
It's good that you actually agree on the stoning punishment for adultery.

Because, it is obvious to me and to any other member of this forum I'm sure, that the rest of the story is so NOT islamic, and not only should we not defend it, but we have to condemn it.

I am also highlighting your accusation that some members go too far in denying wrongdoings. I've seen no one is doing it. Some members just want to ask for more proof that it truly happened (because I'm sure, like me, they are also aghast that something like that happened in that way).

Interestingly, you are so quick to judge your own brothers and sisters in Islam, but I didn't see your posts in those threads that discussed the atrocities of western occupiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Abz2000]

Colonialists? You think you sound impressive using big words like occupation, Zionism, colonialists, and corruption? Did I give the order to start these wars? No. Just because people don't hold all your views, it doesn't mean they're all part of the "Conspiracy to Destroy Islam".

wow, lookee here who's getting defensive - i wasn't even talking about you or anyone on this forum!!!!!

................They think that every cry is against them...............

Quran : Al munafiqoon 63:4

 

[Ramadhan]

Have you thought out every aspect of your post? Does adultery really disturb public order enough to execute someone? Okay, if it's an Islamic state, then Sharia must be implemented but are you honestly saying that every alleged adulterer was really guilty? Doesn't the Islamic justice system put the burden of proof on the prosecution and not the defense? Rape victims have been executed too whereas the rapists got off with a slap on the wrist (but I won't get any article because it will be dismissed as Zionist propaganda). I remember reading here that the prosecution needs four witnesses minimum to even bring a case to court. Only way to prove that is if they were out in public together showing affection unless they look through the window of a private house, which is forbidden.

Bro,when you want to criticize islamic laws, you need to bring up qur'an verses and ahadeeth.
What you have been criticizing is some incidents which people attributed to islamic laws.