US to promote gay rights abroad

[GuestFellow]

If it were kept at an attraction then the rest of us wouldn't be so cognizant of it no?
rather the intent is to make this a normal part of our societies!

Salaam,

They should keep their sexual preference to themselves and not force people to accept it.

 

[جوري]

Salaam,

They should keep their sexual preference to themselves and not force people to accept them sexual preference.

I agree with that... Also Islam was built upon 7aya'a (chastity) if it isn't appropriate for heteros it is alot less appropriate for homos when they're so openly advocating a known sin.
If I 'suffered' Kleptomania I'd not be shoving it in everyone's face and committing theft so openly.
Everything can be justified. Everything!
Religion defines our morality not Hillary Clinton and Co. She's be better focusing on her own husband's sexual indiscretions than preaching to us what she defines as normal!

 

[Pygoscelis]

Salaam,

They should keep their sexual preference to themselves and not force people to accept it.

That's exactly how I feel about religion ;D

 

[Abz2000]

That's exactly how I feel about religion

religion in Islam is not what you perceive the word "religion" to be in the west,
it is a complete way of life.
that includes politics, personal life, and collective public life, .
you can't keep it to yourself.

and if they (hillary and obama say that sodomy is their way of life....................kudos to them, but it's not ours,

for you is your way and for me mine

 

[Aprender]

That's exactly how I feel about religion

I can understand how in Christianity it's difficult for the religion to be kept to oneself as it is a tenant of the faith to try and get others to follow it by whatever means necessary for certain conditions. I myself have been forcibly handed Christian pamphlets while walking around in school or told by Christians I'll burn in Hell with other students of different faiths or none at all as we walk to our classes on campus. But with Islam I'm not sure what you mean by this? With Judaism I'm not sure what you mean by this? Even with Hinduism and other religions of the world I'm not sure what you mean by this? You either believe or you don't.

If you're talking about a political stand point that religious laws shouldn't be forced in a mostly secular country, I get your point here completely then.

 

[Pygoscelis]

religion in Islam is not what you perceive the word "religion" to be in the west,
it is a complete way of life.
that includes politics, personal life, and collective public life, .
you can't keep it to yourself.

As Aprender said, you can't really HIDE that you are a muslim, but you can refrain from pushing it on everybody around you (and many do as Aprender observed - Christians not so much perhaps). Same with a homosexual. Sure, a muslim will do his prayers, will go to mosque, will live according to the tenets of Islam, etc. A homosexual may live with another man instead of with a wife and they may function as a married couple would. Both are central to who the person is (though yes, Islam encompasses more), and both wouldn't really be possible to hide while being true to yourself, but neither has to be rammed down anybody else's throat.

for you is your way and for me mine

This, pretty much.

 

[Ramadhan]

Well this will not be coming to the Muslim countries cause we have our own rights. If someone wants to be gay and they live in the M.E they should go to the West. I hope the Iran war does not start cause of gay rights!

Unfortunately, your fears are coming to get real.

In Indonesia, world's largest muslims country, gay activists (funded by foreign donors) are pushing to get homosexual relations officially recognized. They also get the support from so-called "liberal muslims" who believe that people living in homosexual relations are ok.

These things are truly some of the signs of the end of things.

 

[Abz2000]

Psycho, I'm not sure if you've had a bad experience with a sodomite "ramming his thing down your throat" but faith is not something you "ram down ones throat", it is not a physical item, I really find it offensive that you even make the comparison and call the concepts the "same thing",
Too much fluoride in the water can dull the contrasts, I know, but we must try.

 

[ariginality]

Of course, very unlikely US government wants to promote gay rights. It probably has another agenda.

What's so unlikely about it? Obviously, if your crossing foreign aid with gay rights it's a bit fishy. But realistically, this goes along the lines of other absurdities we have become accustomed to with America. Think about foreign aid to Israel vs any other country, the war in Iraq vs a more relevant country, or turn nationally to see the policies which aid haram rather than feed the hungry, marriage in this country is being mocked. Since when has it become a legal status rather than a religious union? They want to defend a gay couples right to adopt? What about a child's right to grow up in a stable home with a mother and a father.

In a country where the divorce rate is 50%, its funny to see "Mrs. Hillary Clinton" present the policy, of all people, who is married for political and business purposes after her husband publicly humiliated her in front of the world. She wants to push America' lack of understanding of what marriage is on the rest of the world. Freedom and ignorance for all!

The funny part is look who presented the policy

 

[Abz2000]

yes, let's look at who presented the policy:

 

[Pygoscelis]

Psycho

Really? Everyone was being civil until you now, so I'll just leave it at that.

I really find it offensive that you even make the comparison and call the concepts the "same thing"

I didn't say homosexuality and Islam were the "same thing". I said both are central to who people are and neither has to be pushed on others nor hidden away to accommodate others. To each their own as you said above.

 

[جوري]

I didn't say homosexuality and Islam were the "same thing". I said both are central to who people are and neither has to be pushed on others nor hidden away to accommodate others. To each their own as you said above.

Not at all, except perhaps in your own psyche. One is a base and perverse animal behavior that needs to remain in the privacy of ones home if at all (with all its shades) and the other is a meta need and a higher philosophy that is attained after much cerebration, reflection and reason.
When you're in a so-called Islamic country, such philosophy is the law of the land, and the law of the land per all philosophies, ideologies and even natural laws dictates that base perverse behavior is a criminal act and will not be tolerated or accommodated openly. So folks like Hillary and other spawn of Satan should focus on their own internal affairs and shove this so-called aid they use to cripple others into becoming little satanists up theirs..

best,

 

[GuestFellow]

What's so unlikely about it?

Salaam,

I could be wrong. I'm not sure what is really going on, so I prefer to keep my options open. Like the current administration is facing significant pressure from gay right activists.

 

[CosmicPathos]

When would US promote sibling marriage, cousin marriage and incest? They are as natural, if not more, than homosexuality. Why is US such a hypocritical god?

and I despise this Hillary, she runs to everywhere to show her hideous face with hideous policies.

 

[Muezzin]

This so-called 'aid' is never seen by the people who actually need it rather goes directly into the pockets of despots. The same despots either put is in Swiss banks, use it for lawyers who justify their orders to kill their own people and when they die or are exiled those same banks freeze their assets and reclaims their money. It just counts as beggary with which the big pawn of Satan uses to enforce its satanic tenets far and wide.

This is true. I'd rather the US and UK deny aid to countries because those countries are led by tyrants who would pocket the money themselves, rather than randomly bringing homosexuality into it. That would at least be more honest.

Although then the US and UK would open themselves up to criticism as to why they have not attempted to depose such tyrants. Which is probably why they played the gay card.

 

[Pygoscelis]

When would US promote sibling marriage, cousin marriage and incest?

And add poligamy to that list. I don't see it making any sense for them to promote any sort of marriage. As one of my country's prime ministers, Pierre Turdeau is famous for saying "The government does not belong in the bedrooms of the nation" and it certainly doesn't belong in the bedrooms of OTHER nations.

Why is US such a hypocritical god?

You view the US as a god?

 

[Aprender]

cousin marriage

One of the American presidents, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was married to his distant cousin.

 

[جوري]

One of the American presidents, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was married to his distant cousin.

Queen victoria was married to her first cousin Albert.. and a host of others too including actual sibling marriage in Germany and potentially more than we can even stratify given sperm donations..

 

[GuestFellow]

You view the US as a god?

Hi,

I think he meant the US behaves like a God. You know, telling other countries how to behave and threatening to bring democracy to their countries...

 

[ariginality]

As Aprender said, you can't really HIDE that you are a muslim, but you can refrain from pushing it on everybody around you (and many do as Aprender observed - Christians not so much perhaps). Same with a homosexual. Sure, a muslim will do his prayers, will go to mosque, will live according to the tenets of Islam, etc. A homosexual may live with another man instead of with a wife and they may function as a married couple would. Both are central to who the person is (though yes, Islam encompasses more), and both wouldn't really be possible to hide while being true to yourself, but neither has to be rammed down anybody else's throat.

It's pathetic to compare a religion to a, call it what you will, "alternative lifestyle." But both are choices. One is not "born gay," they make a choice as does a criminal. America can tell me that I can't go over a certain speed limit without going to jail, consume drugs that are not federally approved, broadcast the Athen in certain areas, or even far more laws that would be seen as ridiculous if you google search "absurd laws" or the like. But if a nation doesn't want to allow men to sodomize each other based upon their deep-rooted religious beliefs, your here to claim their rights? There are for nobler causes... get serious. The world would be self-sufficient just the same without America's grand existence, if not far more so.