'End of virginity' if women drive, Saudi cleric warns

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hilarious title! The women in that country are already loosing virginity whether they drive or not.

Saudi Arabia has divorce rate at epidemic scales. My friend was telling me that the government is taking special measures like financial incentives to keep the couples together! Its unbelievable what's happening in Saudi.
 
What about men? They can also lose their virginity! Adultery is not confined to women..oh dear
 
What about men? They can also lose their virginity! Adultery is not confined to women..oh dear

Hi,

You do get that problem. In some cultures, people usually blame the problems on the women, even though the man has done wrong as well. Like the hijab. Most Muslims from my experience are very judgemental to Muslim women that do not wear the Hijab. However, most ignore that most Muslim men do not grow the beard, even though it is highly encouraged and considered compulsory by some Muslim scholars.
 
i can't see what reasons they can have for not allowing women to drive. every islamic ruling has to be based on evidence, from the Quran or Sunnah or even ijmah of our righteous predecessors (which is also based on the former two). cars didn't exist back then, but horses and camels did and women did ride them. If women were allowed to ride horses, camels, etc, then they should be allowed to drive as well. not allowing women to drive out of the city is a different matter, because there is a hadith that prohibits women from travelling alone. but not allowing women to drive is ridiculous and has no islamic basis, imo.
 
Saudi women are not allowed to drive. If they want to go to a place, they are driven by men. Saudi women are obligated to wear niqab that cover their faces, except eyes. But many of them have beautiful eyes.

Their beautiful eyes can attract men. Men who attracted to beautiful eyes woman that they see in public area, usually will follow this woman to know where is she lives, or record the car plate number that ride by this woman. But they didn't do further because they afraid to a man who guard this woman. If women drive in Saudi Arabia without adult male, those men will chase them.

This is information that I got from several sources in Saudi Arabia.

Majority of ulama in the world allow women drive car, even alone, as long as meet certain conditions. But if we ask those ulama "should women drive car without mahram in Saudi Arabia?" maybe all of them will answer "no!".

Situation in Saudi Arabia is different. There is a bad image of Saudi men as men who can't see women without doing something wrong. Not all of them, of course. But according to some sources in Saudi Arabia, at there we can find men like this in everywhere.

i can't see what reasons they can have for not allowing women to drive. every islamic ruling has to be based on evidence, from the Quran or Sunnah or even ijmah of our righteous predecessors (which is also based on the former two). cars didn't exist back then, but horses and camels did and women did ride them. If women were allowed to ride horses, camels, etc, then they should be allowed to drive as well. not allowing women to drive out of the city is a different matter, because there is a hadith that prohibits women from travelling alone. but not allowing women to drive is ridiculous and has no islamic basis, imo.
Shaykh Muqbil from Yemen is a non-Saudi scholar who prohibit women to drive car except in emergency situation. Different than Saudi Ulama who prohibit women to drive without
exception.

And in a statement, Shaykh Muqbil said "We can't say this (prohibition for women to drive) is haram". This is because there is no any daleel in Islam that can be used to prohibit women control car as driver. Woman traveling alone is different matter.

Like I have written, ulama can prohibit ummah do something that actually halal as non-Shar'i prohibition. But unfortunately I have found some fatawa that clearly classify this prohibition as Shar'i Haram which those who break this prohibition get sin.

You do get that problem. In some cultures, people usually blame the problems on the women, even though the man has done wrong as well.
In my place, if an old ustadz see a man tease a woman, he will beat this man with his rattan stick. But unfortunately, in some other cultures, in situation like this they will blame the women, not the men.
 
^ I always found that backwards, and more than a little insulting to the males of our species. Can these men seriously not control themselves should they see the eyes of a woman? Do people really legit fear that these men will all go chasing after and raping the women after seeing their eyes at the wheel of a car next to them on the roadway? And if saudi men are really this unable to control their urges then maybe they should start wearing blinders or maybe they should stay at home instead of going out where they may see women.
 
Yea that is a good point you made Tragic Typos about hijab, but men also wear hijab in the sense they are also told to 'lower their gaze', so yes I find it awful that everyone focuses on the women for having to guard her modesty when quite clearly the man has to guard his modesty too. It seems like its the men who need to control themselves more not the women.
 
The women are being distrusted and treated like animals being denied such basic freedom. There is no way something like this can be covered up by a claim for protection of modesty.

My father cheated on my mother and she only used the car to get to work, store, classes, etc. so that she could raise me and my brother when my father left to start a new family.

When I first found out women can't drive in Saudi Arabia, I was dumbfounded. I still don't even know what to think about it.
 
Saudis are already loosing their virginity via facebook hook ups. Driving has nothing to do with it, you can't control youth or people by limiting them, educating them will lead to less immorality then all these "laws".
 
Hi,

You do get that problem. In some cultures, people usually blame the problems on the women, even though the man has done wrong as well. Like the hijab. Most Muslims from my experience are very judgemental to Muslim women that do not wear the Hijab. However, most ignore that most Muslim men do not grow the beard, even though it is highly encouraged and considered compulsory by some Muslim scholars.

All right lets not compare the ruling on beard with the ruling on hijab, totally two different concepts, shall we? Purpose of beard is not to hide "beauty" of men, unlike the hijab. Duh. Yes some scholars have considered beard to be obligatory but the reasons for that are different from the reasons why Hijab is obligatory. Almost all scholars have considered hijab obligatory. Do not you think your comment is a bit hypocritical and dishonest?
 
Shaykh Nasir-ud-deen Al-Albaani (rahimahullah), one of the great scholars of our era who passed away a decade ago, was asked:
Question: Is it permissible for a woman to drive a car?
Answer: If it is permissible for her to ride upon a (female) donkey then it is permissible for her to drive a car.
Question: But there is a difference between a donkey and a car.
Answer: Which is more concealing – riding upon a donkey or in a car? I would suggest (riding in) a car.
(Translated by Adnan bin Salam)

Shaykh Muqbil Al-Waadi'ee (rahimahullah) another giant of our era issued a similar ruling:

Question: What is the ruling on a woman driving a car, and what is your view in making it similar to a woman riding a beast (i.e. Horse)?

Answer: If the woman is righteous and is safe from fitnah and she needs something in the market then this is no problem (driving) and I do not see any prevention in this. For the car is a machine made of iron and we do not make this Haraam upon her.

Do read the article in it's entirety, it gives a holistic view on the issue.

http://saudilife.net/component/cont...-fuller-view-on-women-driving-in-saudi-arabia
 
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although i won't give an opinion on this subject, (my personal belief is that women can drive, i sometimes get a lift off my sister)
i don't think the scholars are questioning the permissibility of driving a car in itself,
they are questioning the risk of letting their daughters out alone in a society being constantly corrupted by external interests.

surely you don't spend money on store security just for the sake of it and you definitely don't just take into account the cost of security alone, otherwise you'd never hire them.
in the same way many don't question the cancer causing radiation scanners at airports simply because the government has staged attacks and implied that Islam is the enemy.
if you took into account the scanners alone - just for the sake of having them there - they'd never be "somehow justified".

if there was the rule of Allah and people were not being corrupted to the soul, they would NEVER bring into question the permissibility of women driving - as it is permissible.
 
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they are questioning the risk of letting their daughters out alone in a society being constantly corrupted by external interests.

I understand those risks.

But what if the daughters are driving with their fathers, or brothers or husbands in the car?
 
then it would be foolish to prevent them in my opinion.
 
The Shariah does allow women to drive but the comments posed in this case are more related to the Saudi society than any fatwa. The cleric is just being conservative. He's just afraid that a drastic change in such a clever and peaceful society will lead to more fitna, eventually.
 
Salam

1/4 of my mind says its okay not to allow women to drive, because I've seen MIDDLE EAST countries
Some Arab countries are really delayed, how I say that?

If you go to some Arab country, housemaids are treated as slave, they dont implement their rights even Prophet Muhammad teaches us to that we are all equal.
I've been to Saudi too, I was not wearing Avaya or cultural black dress, Just wearing pants and long dress till knees with Hijab and I felt that some men were looking at me like crazy, I felt I was raped by their eyes HAHAHAHA lol

Then I've been to 7 emirates of United Arab, and I fall inlove with the freedom esp Sharjah and Abu dhabi, (I just didnt like dubai much coz U dont feel islam very much anymore due to clubs and drinks etc)... UAE is amazing in short, women drive, housemaids have freedom and weekends, people are educated,,, its a warm country, mashallah, and its up to you, go to club or go to mosque, Quran 2:256 there is no compulsion in religion


Same as Bahrain, people are friendly and nice... so my conclusion is that I understand why they are trying to ban driving in KSA, however I think it cant last forever, inshallah
 
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I've been to Saudi too, I was not wearing Avaya or cultural black dress, Just wearing pants and long dress till knees with Hijab and I felt that some men were looking at me like crazy, I felt I was raped by their eyes HAHAHAHA lol

Salaam,

I find that disturbing. Acid needs to be poured down their eyes. Harsh but effective. :)
 
I've been to Saudi too, I was not wearing Avaya or cultural black dress, Just wearing pants and long dress till knees with Hijab and I felt that some men were looking at me like crazy, I felt I was raped by their eyes HAHAHAHA lol

I know what you're talking about. I have a friend who has lived the majority of his life in KSA and he had to say the same thing when asked about it. I was discussing about this issue with him and he said women would themselves give up driving, if it ever starts in KSA because of the reaction of men. Men will flog to those cars with a women driver and their non-stop stares will make it too uncomfortable for women to be drive in peace. Astaghfirullah. :skeleton:
 
Asalam,

Well even with rich & little advance country like Q8, its very common for men to race & tease girl's cars.
So I understand where this proposal is coming from, we don't know the real thing but I got a little idea of Saudi and for the 1st time I understand women in Niqab.

I hope they'll get proper Islamic education, its the only key.

Well I have to mention that I've heard many times contrary to this negative image, people of Medina are quiet different with amazing manners, Subhanallah
Husband told me its because Prophet Muhammad prayed for them, those who went for Hajj & visit the Prophet's mosque can testify to this perhaps.
 
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If women drive then of course unthinkable things will happen! Zina will be on the rise, more suicides etc. I back this rule 100%! :statisfie
 
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