Is it possible for me to become a Muslim and remain uncircumcised?

[CuriousIncident]

I will try my best to find out as much about Islam as I can. I will not rush because I need to know that Islam is for me and I need to truly believe in it. Thank you everyone!

 

[Nate]

11yo and adult are 2 diffrent things LOL

 

[Ramadhan]

I will try my best to find out as much about Islam as I can. I will not rush because I need to know that Islam is for me and I need to truly believe in it. Thank you everyone!

May Allah SWT give you guidance to the straight path. ameen.

I hope you keep continue to ask questions about Islam.

 

[CuriousIncident]

Nate - Is someone 11 years old?

 

[Nate]

that was directed at Ramadhan

 

[CuriousIncident]

Oh I understand now. I did not understand what you meant. Sorry!

 

[CuriousIncident]

I did not understand what you mean*

Sorry, just correcting myself!

 

[Ramadhan]

11yo and adult are 2 diffrent things LOL

Fair enough.

Now let's see what adults, non-muslims, say about their adult circumcision experience and from the neutral, secular, point of view:

The procedure lasted an hour and recovery took a week or two

That was close to ten years ago now, and since that time I consider it to be the best decision I have made.

It annoys me that the anti circumcision lobby creates so many myths and lies about circumcision in order to prove their point.

http://www.circinfo.net/men_circumcised_as_adults_tell_it_as_it_is.html

 

[Nate]

Im just going off what the Docs told me, I wanted to get it done well before I reverted but they scared me off LOL even thinking of it scares me hew

 

[Ramadhan]

Im just going off what the Docs told me, I wanted to get it done well before I reverted but they scared me off LOL even thinking of it scares me

Are those docs circumcised?

I have many relatives (including my own brother) who are not only doctors, but surgeons, and they don't say anything negative about adult male circumcision.

 

[Insaanah]

You might commit a million sins that reach the sky, Allah will forgive you for all of that... with the condition that you did not commit shirk. (There's a hadith qudsi on this...)

Allah can forgive you all of that, of His own will, if He so chooses and for whom He so chooses. But it shouldn't be taken as a given, that as long as I don't do shirk, I won't worry too much, as Allah is going to forgive me.

See the following verses:

Sahih International
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin. (4:48)

Muhsin Khan
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray. (4:116)

You may be referring to this beautiful hadeeth:

The Prophet :saws: said: “Allah, Blessed and Exalted is He, says, ‘O son of Adam, as long as you call on Me, I shall forgive you of what you have done, and think nothing of it. O son of Adam, even if your sins were to reach up to the clouds in the sky, and then you were to ask for My forgiveness, I would forgive you and think nothing of it. O son of Adam, even if you were to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth, and then you were to meet Me after death, not worshipping anything besides Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as the earth.’” [Tirmidhi]

If we look at the two together, plus other ahadeeth, such as the ones of the mi3raaj, we see that the Prophet :saws: saw some of the people (including Muslims) being punished for serious sins, as it is known that some Muslims who did not commit shirk, will be punished for a while for certain of their sins, before being admitted into jannah. It may be that they didn't ask for forgiveness, Allah knows best. And while Allah will never break His promise, all forgiveness is from His Mercy and Kindness to us, and we hope and pray for it.

Hence, the main concern for every Muslim is to learn how to keep self from committing shirk. Everything ELSE pales in significance.

Of course, shirk is the biggest sin one can commit, but we must try our best to refrain from whatever other sins we can, as some other ones such as backbiting as one example, do have severe punishments, even for Muslims who don't commit shirk. How easy or not that may be to refrain from is a different matter, which I won't go into here.

Islam is the religion of ease.

Indeed it is. It is also a balance, and we are a middle nation. My point here, is simply to say, that we need to achieve a balance, neither going one way nor the other. Our aim shouldn't be to do the bare minimum to get by (or what we think will get us into jannah), nor trying to overburden ourselves with trying to follow lots of new things all at once.

Understanding the need for rules IS a pre-requisite.

As an example, let's say that a new Muslim doesn't understand the reason why they need to refrain from eating Pork (other than Allah is telling them). He doesn't understand why, but because Allah is telling him, he obeys. According to the above logic, he shold not obey, until he knows exactly why it was forbidden. Or, according to that, one who does not understand why, is excused from following. Neither of these two scenarios are correct.

Of course, the more one understands, the better. But if one does not understand the need for a particular rule, there is absolutely nothing to preclude one from following it, while one learns about the possible reasons and benefits of that rule.

There are many rules in the Qur'an. Let us not let people think that Islam is a religion devoid of rules. It is not all rules like Judaism, and not all love devoid of rules, like the Christians. It is a middle way, a balance.

The verses that I quoted from Sura Baqarah inform us about what it takes to prosper in the Aakhirah. Look at them again. Nothing is said about rules.

Those verses do not constitute the entirety of the Qur'an. If we look at the whole Qur'an, we will see that it does contain rules that we have to follow, and as I said in the quote above, we have been shown the middle way. I'm not saying it is all rules, but that there are rules that we have to follow in it.

Also, as an example, if we take a look at the first 11 ayaat of Surah al-Mu'minoon (surah 23), we will see that it gives a list of things that successful believers do, believers who inherit Paradise, which, apart from salaat and zakaat, is different and expanded from the one in Surah al-Baqarah. The list in Surah Ma'aarij, Surah 70 verses 22-34 is similar to the one in Surah al-Mu'minoon, while Surah al-Ahzaab, 30:35 includes fasting while the other ones don't. This can be dependant on the circumstances/occasions and time periods in which they were revealed. For example, fasting was made compulsory (2:183) after the revelation of those verses you quoted at the beginning of Surah al-Baqarah, so one cannot say that those verses by themselves summarise what one needs to succeed in the aakhirah. That is why we need to look at the picture as a whole, not isolated parts of it, and we need to take a balanced look at things, in their context, and that's really the point I have wanted to make here.

Anyhow, apologies if this has derailed the thread, as it's not to do with what the OP is asking, so will let the topic continue and exit here.

With peace and

 

[Darth Ultor]

There are several of these kind of condtradictions . Wine , for instance

Leviticus 10:9 . Do not drink wine nor strong drink

Way to not post the whole thing.

Leviticus 10:9: Do not drink wine nor strong drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest you die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations

 

[Predator]

Way to not post the whole thing.

No I didnt miss anything , you dont read your bible properly

In another verse we read:

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. (Proverbs 20:1)

No comments! Very clear verse concerning what wine really is, and what it cause to human being.

In the same book we read:

For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. (Proverbs 4: 17)

Here we have another description of wine, which is violent.


In Isaiah we read:

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. (Isaiah 28:7)

Here we have a detailed description of what damages and errors can occur through wine. We are told by “God” ( Jesus according to Christians) that the Priests and the Prophets erred, in other words wine brings “the incorrect” and the “error”, for example bible testify some “errors” from some prophets did through the wine:

The error of Prophet Noah:

20. And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21. And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was naked within his tent.
22. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. ( Genesis 9 :20-25)

The error of Prophet Lot:

31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
37. And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
38. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day. (Genesis 19: 31-38)


In The book of Joel we read:

Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth. (Joel 1:5)

Another clear prohibition of wine by “God” (Jesus according to Christians) calling the one who drinks wine “drunkard” and “for it is cut off from your mouth” which means that wine is forbidden.

Interesting is also the comparison that “God” ( Jesus according to Christians) use in order to describe what wine is equal with:

wh0redom and wine and new wine take away the heart. ( Hosea 4:11)

In other words wine has the same results with prostitution! And they are equal.

In the Gospel of Luke, we read about the John the Baptist:

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. (Luke 1:15)

John the Baptist is described as an abstainer from wine and for that reason is great in the sight of the Lord.


As we noticed above from the biblical passages, it is quite clear that wine cause errors, and that “God” ( Jesus according to Christians) prohibited, condemn and many times curse it. Also it is prohibited “for ever throughout the generations” as mention in Leviticus 10:9.

 

[Karimah]

Thanks for sharing all this information. My take is that since its not mentioned in the Qur'an then you don't have to do it.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ Peace

Thanks for sharing all this information. My take is that since its not mentioned in the Qur'an then you don't have to do it.

O you who believe! Obey God and His Messenger, and do not turn away from him. (al-Anfal, 8.20)

 

[MustafaMc]

Thanks for sharing all this information. My take is that since its not mentioned in the Qur'an then you don't have to do it.

Sister Muslim Woman is correct in quoting the Quran in that one obeys Allah (swt) by following the example, or Sunnah, of the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) (saaws). There is more to Islam than just the Quran and more than just faith. There are some who call themselves Muslim, yet they reject hadith. I think you will find very few on this forum with that viewpoint.

Therefore, it is better for a man to become circumscised upon converting to Islam, but there are allowances if he feels that is too much for him. It is better in my opinion to pray with the prepuce intact than to not pray with it abscised.