Ww3

[MustafaMc]

Salaam,

Let's bring some detail into this discussion.

Who is waging this war against Islam?

Assalamu alaikum, brother, why does it seem that your perspective is most often different from other Muslims on this forum?

 

[GuestFellow]

Assalamu alaikum, brother, why does it seem that your perspective is most often different from other Muslims on this forum?

:wa:

I don't know. Does it bother you?

 

[White Rose]

I doubt these wars are against Islam to be honest. I think the US government and certain interest groups need Islam, in order to continue these wars. Without Islam, it would be difficult for them (US and its allies) to find a justification to attack those countries (Afghanistan, Iran, etc) and persuade their own people. So they do need a scapegoat. Then again, the justification to start a war to save people (like Libya) might be sufficient.

I think these wars are planned to meet strategic goals. Blaming Islam and Muslims seems to justify these wars.

It does not make sense. Why would you side with your enemy to achieve a goal? Yes in some cases it can happen but I don't see it happening here. The way media portrays stuff makes us think that they are happening on their own. When you read stories about what is going on the other side, you will start to see what actually goes on. Jedi is right on the spot.

 

[MustafaMc]

:wa:

I don't know. Does it bother you?

Wa alaikum assalam, no, should it? I suppose that you are a convert to Islam like me, but your posts sometimes seem pro-West and it puzzles me.

 

[GuestFellow]

It does not make sense. Why would you side with your enemy to achieve a goal? Yes in some cases it can happen but I don't see it happening here. The way media portrays stuff makes us think that they are happening on their own. When you read stories about what is going on the other side, you will start to see what actually goes on. Jedi is right on the spot.

Salaam,

Jedi has not presented to substantiate his claims. Until he does, I will hesitate to accept his view. He could be right though.

For now, certain interest groups like MEMRI need Islam in order to pursue their objectives. Twisting verses from the Qur'an and Hadith allows them, in this case MEMRI, to make Muslims look bad and portray all Jewish people as the victim.

^ Just an example how certain interest groups need ideologies to pursue their objectives, even though they disagree with the ideology itself. These interest groups may not even be aware that they need Islam. I would not recommend vising MEMRI, the website screams propaganda and appropriate for viewers who enjoy drowning in their own paranoia.

 

[GuestFellow]

Wa alaikum assalam, no, should it? I suppose that you are a convert to Islam like me, but your posts sometimes seem pro-West and it puzzles me.

I hope it does not bother you. If my posts bother anyone, just let me know, so I can address the problem.

I was raised a Muslim, become agnostic and then converted back to Islam.

I'm not pro-West, nor pro-East. I prefer people to present evidence to establish their claims. I like detail...

 

[ILuvAllah]

@TragicTypos bro u said u are not aware of all that has been going on. If you see that post of her where she said ugly things about the Prophet (pbuh) then you'll know what I'm talking about. I think that post has been removed coz I have reported it to the mods. Anyone, any sane person who loves Allah and the Prophet (pbuh) would lose his/her temper by ugly offensive language against Islam, against the Prophet (pbuh). So dont give us tips on exercising to control our anger. you are not aware of what she has been doing in this forum, so dont be so quick to judge. get to know the facts first.

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

Assalamu alaikum, the last days will surely be difficult to bear with some being believers in the AM and disbelievers in the PM. May Allah (swt) protect us from leaving the deen of Islam. I believe that humans are the most brutal of all animals as the angels said "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood." Quran 2:30 One only has to remember the allied fire-bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the killing fields of Cambodia, the machete chopping of Rawanda, ad infinitum, ad naseum, to see the dark side of humanity. How many millions of people have already been killed since the beginning of WWI until now? Could it be that we are now living during the time of Dajjal, that the killing will run into the billions and that the survivors would wish to exchange places with those already in the grave? Pray that Allah (swt) will not place on us a burden more than we can bear and that He preserve or faith until our final breath.

Ameen ya Rabb.

I didn't intend to excuse humans when i suggested that perhaps what people refer to as 'natural disasters', such as earth quakes, famines, hurricanes, will be the main 'cause' of death in these times. Human corruption, mischief and 'natural disasters' in fact have mutual relationship. It is due to the mischief of man that invite these disasters to fall upon themselves.

Allah swt says in the Noble Quran;

ظَهَرَ الْفَسَادُ فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ بِمَا كَسَبَتْ أَيْدِي النَّاسِ لِيُذِيقَهُم بَعْضَ الَّذِي عَمِلُوا لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْجِعُونَ
قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلُ ۚ كَانَ أَكْثَرُهُم مُّشْرِكِينَ
فَأَقِمْ وَجْهَكَ لِلدِّينِ الْقَيِّمِ مِن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِيَ يَوْمٌ لَّا مَرَدَّ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ ۖ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَصَّدَّعُونَ ​

'Mischief has appeared in the land and the sea on account of what the hands of men have wrought, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, so that they may return. Say: Travel in the land, then see how was the end of those before; most of them were polytheists. Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. (Romans v.41-43)

 

[Scimitar]

Jedi is right on the spot.

He usually is, that's why he's a jedi. Only 17 too, masha-Allah.

Scimi

 

[MustafaMc]

that's why he's a jedi. Only 17 too, masha-Allah

I am impressed, mash'Allah.

 

[Pygoscelis]

oh should I give her a hug when she swears at my Prophet (pbuh)? have u even seen her other posts? the way she spoke against the Prophet (pbuh) with her filthy mouth that I'd say even fag was a good word to describe her attitude. she is enemy of Islam and I dont understand why it hurts you so much that I sweared at her.

You were right to swear at her. She was behaving badly. Now lets see if one of your less sane "brothers" here wishes death on her.

 

[Pygoscelis]

It is OK for them for instance to go killing 16 civilians women & children so long as they issue an apology, but it isn't ok for us to get angry that they defecate on the Quran, urinate on dead bodies again, hey it is freedom of speech and well their PR folks have issued a statement that pretties it all up..

Sorayacali did that? I must have missed that part. Were posts deleted?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Ironically I think 9/11, the Bush Idiocy, and the Afghanistan and Iraq wars may have saved the planet from world war 3. The USA is the only world power truly capable of launching it and they have so in debt and war weary now that I seriously doubt they will attack Iran or anybody else for a decade at least. By then maybe some liberal presidents will chill things down a bit and they'll get away from the conservative hot heads that keep wanting war. The 99% movement has potential. Could it be the start of a reshuffling of western society away from corpotocracy and neocon attitudes and towards a more global and socialist world? I hope so!

Also, developing new energy technology like better nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, etc could go a long way towards resolving the conflicts in the middle east. The main reason Islam is seen as a threat and why islamophobia thrives is because of the words and actions of some radical muslims, who are motivated by western aggression (and dare I say attrocity), which is motivated by greed for oil. If we can get off oil then the middle east becomes far less relevant and Islam can go back to being a religion few in the west need to pay any special attention to.

 

[جوري]

Sorayacali did that? I must have missed that part. Were posts deleted?

Maybe you'll run into her and she'll tell you all about it for $2.00 of what her father has conditioned her for although in all likelihood you're not of the correct gender but it's never about that anyway is it?

Best,

 

[Pyrrhic]

unfortunate... We still dont understand the true situation...

 

[MustafaMc]

I didn't intend to excuse humans when i suggested that perhaps what people refer to as 'natural disasters', such as earth quakes, famines, hurricanes, will be the main 'cause' of death in these times. Human corruption, mischief and 'natural disasters' in fact have mutual relationship. It is due to the mischief of man that invite these disasters to fall upon themselves.

Assalamu alaikum, yes, that is true, too. Thank you for making that point that ultimately Allah (swt) is in control and what man does is only to the extent that Allah (swt) allows them. The Quran and the Bible both have examples of a people who were obliterated by Allah (swt) for their sin and disobedience.

 

[Scimitar]

Ironically I think 9/11, the Bush Idiocy, and the Afghanistan and Iraq wars may have saved the planet from world war 3. The USA is the only world power truly capable of launching it

Actually, this is not true. There are many nations on the earth that have the ability to wage nuclear war... I posted this on page one of this thread, but I'll post here again. Take a look at this video. It charts Nuke testing over almost 50 yrs.

Note: the tally reaches the following count:

UK: 45 nuclear tests
France: 210 nuclear tests
Russia: 715 nuclear test
USA: a whopping 1032 nuclear tests

The main reason Islam is seen as a threat and why islamophobia thrives is because of the words and actions of some radical muslims, who are motivated by western aggression (and dare I say attrocity), which is motivated by greed for oil. If we can get off oil then the middle east becomes far less relevant and Islam can go back to being a religion few in the west need to pay any special attention to.

That's what they want you to believe. The truth is, bad apples exist in every community - why is it that only Muslims are in the media hotspot? To understand this, you need to study history comparatively.

I also recommend learning about the history of the house of saud, and the impportance of the balfour declaration and that which followed after. Things aren't what they seem.

Scimi

 

[ILuvAllah]

A persons character can have many quirks... hers were indicative of bad character. I humoured her initial post on this thread and she went on the back foot instantly, and it wasn't justified. From that point on, her posts in this thread became more inflammatory, and in that other thread too... She wanted to go out with a bang - and she got what she wanted.

Now, back on point... World War 3

A sister from another forum made a little 3 part series exposing some hidden truths about war in modern day, here check it out (production isn't the best, but the content is actually quite good) :

Scimi

wow this is real eye opener. everyone should watch it

 

[Scimitar]

Phase 3 is also really worth the watch sister. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, and Scimitar Approved Viewing. ;D

Scimi

 

[GuestFellow]

@TragicTypos bro u said u are not aware of all that has been going on. If you see that post of her where she said ugly things about the Prophet (pbuh) then you'll know what I'm talking about. I think that post has been removed coz I have reported it to the mods. Anyone, any sane person who loves Allah and the Prophet (pbuh) would lose his/her temper by ugly offensive language against Islam, against the Prophet (pbuh). So dont give us tips on exercising to control our anger. you are not aware of what she has been doing in this forum, so dont be so quick to judge. get to know the facts first.

Salaam,

No I have not been aware about what is going on. If her posts were insults against the Prophet (P.B.U.H), then she would have been banned immediately. So I don't know why she was allowed to be a member here. Since her post has been removed, I'm not sure what she had said. So this belongs to the past and ought not to have been raised in this topic in the first place. Besides, how am I supposed to know if she insulted the Prophets when her post has been removed.

I would not lose my temper. I won't allow anyone to upset me to the extent where I will lose my temper and use offensive language. I have confident in Allah that he will deal with people that insult Islam and the Prophets (P.B.U.H). I guess I have more self-control.

I wasn't intentionally giving tips how to exercise our anger. I just said, suppressing anger is not good but ought to be released in an appropriate manner, like exercising.

I don't need to be aware about what is going on. As you said, the issue has already been resolved, so there was no need to raise it up. You used the term fag. That is offensive and inappropriate. Like I said before, if you want to use inappropriate language go ahead. I think using inappropriate language is not acceptable. I'm certain what I'm advocating is supported by the forum rules. I took issue with you using inappropriate language.

Judging you about what? I said that since both members have used foul language, there is not much difference in terms of the vocabulary they use. Hence that is what I meant by both of you are as bad as each other. This is prior to me knowing she insulted the Prophet (P.B.U.H)

You were right to swear at her. She was behaving badly. Now lets see if one of your less sane "brothers" here wishes death on her.

:skeleton:

Ironically I think 9/11, the Bush Idiocy, and the Afghanistan and Iraq wars may have saved the planet from world war 3. The USA is the only world power truly capable of launching it and they have so in debt and war weary now that I seriously doubt they will attack Iran or anybody else for a decade at least. By then maybe some liberal presidents will chill things down a bit and they'll get away from the conservative hot heads that keep wanting war. The 99% movement has potential. Could it be the start of a reshuffling of western society away from corpotocracy and neocon attitudes and towards a more global and socialist world? I hope so!

Also, developing new energy technology like better nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, etc could go a long way towards resolving the conflicts in the middle east. The main reason Islam is seen as a threat and why islamophobia thrives is because of the words and actions of some radical muslims, who are motivated by western aggression (and dare I say attrocity), which is motivated by greed for oil. If we can get off oil then the middle east becomes far less relevant and Islam can go back to being a religion few in the west need to pay any special attention to.

Nice summary. However, the liberal politicians in America, are just as hawkish as Republicans when it comes to foreign policy. Obama is considered to be worse than George Bush.

I see what you mean about Afghanistan and Iraq war. The public, from my experience, are fed up with these wars.