i am an atheist. I was born and brought up as a hindu. Why do we as human beings have so much faith in god whether it's allah, krishna, or jesus. Just because someone tells us and wrote in a book that there is a god why should be have in discriminant faith on a specific god and why do we kill each other about our different beliefs or being a "nonbeliever"? Why do we not get any messages from the people who have passed on in the afterlife so to tell us that there "actually" is a paradise? Why are we conditioned since birth to believe in a specific religion and will go to the ends of the earth's to protect it?
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Re: please help me answer the athiest!
faith should be born of reason and the question of the ages should be answered by your own person, it isn't something someone else can bestow upon you.
when you've reasoned Islam and that is all I will talk about it in your heart and mind it becomes a chain of one molten iron with no breaks in the link, then you'll walk aright and the little detours offered by the devil and his pawn will become patent and meaningless!
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faith should be born of reason and the question of the ages should be answered by your own person, it isn't something someone else can bestow upon you.
when you've reasoned Islam and that is all I will talk about it in your heart and mind it becomes a chain of one molten iron with no breaks in the link, then you'll walk aright and the little detours offered by the devil and his pawn will become patent and meaningless!
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Re: please help me answer the athiest!
Greetings of peace,
I'll answer your question from a muslim's point of view, the answer to the 'why's' is simply because we believe there is a purpose to life, and our creator is the one that has informed us of this.
Because he is a our creator whom created us, and Jesus (PBUH) is NOT God nor was Krishna they were men, humans.
I could ask you a similar questions, why do you not believe in God? What is the purpose of life? Do we just live a life on this earth and then rot away for no complete reason? On an earth where people kill each other, love each other, etc etc, is there no one who owns or takes care? What about those killed and never receive their justice in this life, they will never? How unjust life is in that case!
Discriminant?, There is only ONE God, and doesn't teach us to discriminate each other.
Killing another for no complete reason is not the teaching of Islam. Do not judge the book by it's followers, muslim's are not perfect, while Islaam is.
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidence, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land![Al Qur'aan 5:32]
To put it simply, this is planet earth and when your in Paradise, no sane individual after entering paradise would want to come back on earth.
Were 'conditioned'? to do what exactly? why are we conditioned to do good and forbid evil? (from islamic point of view)
I advice you to study Islaam in order to gain some amount of knowledge.
Greetings of peace,
I'll answer your question from a muslim's point of view, the answer to the 'why's' is simply because we believe there is a purpose to life, and our creator is the one that has informed us of this.
Because he is a our creator whom created us, and Jesus (PBUH) is NOT God nor was Krishna they were men, humans.
I could ask you a similar questions, why do you not believe in God? What is the purpose of life? Do we just live a life on this earth and then rot away for no complete reason? On an earth where people kill each other, love each other, etc etc, is there no one who owns or takes care? What about those killed and never receive their justice in this life, they will never? How unjust life is in that case!
Discriminant?, There is only ONE God, and doesn't teach us to discriminate each other.
Killing another for no complete reason is not the teaching of Islam. Do not judge the book by it's followers, muslim's are not perfect, while Islaam is.
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidence, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land![Al Qur'aan 5:32]
To put it simply, this is planet earth and when your in Paradise, no sane individual after entering paradise would want to come back on earth.
Were 'conditioned'? to do what exactly? why are we conditioned to do good and forbid evil? (from islamic point of view)
I advice you to study Islaam in order to gain some amount of knowledge.
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Re: please help me answer the athiest!
Humans have been killing each other for eons for reasons such as money, property, women. one's woman slept with another's, kill. Someone had jewellery, kill and steal it. So on and so forth.
You dont seem to then say that womena and jewellery are evil. Yet you only say that for religion. Perhaps you need to first sort out the contradictions within yourself.
Humans have been killing each other for eons for reasons such as money, property, women. one's woman slept with another's, kill. Someone had jewellery, kill and steal it. So on and so forth.
You dont seem to then say that womena and jewellery are evil. Yet you only say that for religion. Perhaps you need to first sort out the contradictions within yourself.
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ok I am going to try to answer all questions based on what everyone has posted. to ghareebah who has said he allah is the creator? The "prophet" muhammad has said that. Why is it that we are blindly believing muhammad? Just because he said allah is "god" why should be have "blind faith". And you ask me why I don't believe in God? I don't believe in god because there is no evidence that there is a "god" except for the blind faith people put for no reason except for a book where allah is prophesized as a god. I can write a book also and say that I am god and write all these different ways to lead "life". When "allah" comes down to earth and tells me that he is actually "god" then I will put my faith upon him. Otherwise it is just another human being(muhammad) who had taken advantage of the people during when human beings were in crisis and made them blindly follow his path and it has been passed on from generation to generation. Human beings have been on this earth for the last 400,000 years how come there was no god then but all of a sudden muhammad came up with allah being a god 1400 years ago? Human beings survived just fine the 390,000 years before that. And to your second reply Human beings are just a more evolved and complex form of animals. You do realize that if we didn't have to have survival instincts like other species and had to kill other animals for food we would have not evolved from generation to generation. Our brains evolved over 100's of thousands of years because human beings didn't have to live their life thinking only about killing other animals for food or surviving from other animals as prey. This caused the human brain to evolve. This is backed by science 100%. To your third question you say no one who goes to paradise would want to come back to earth. You don't think 1 person out of the 100's of millions of muslims who have died over the past 100-1000's of years would want to come back to earth just for one second to tell us about paradise so we have extra faith and contemptness and relief and happiness about the after life and we aren't scared or nervous to die? And to your final response I have read excerpts of the quran, the bible, and the bhagvat gita. They are all very similar in what they say about how to lead your life and any human being who has some form of intelligence could have written that based on common sense. And you are saying humans have been killing each other and why aren't women and jewelery evil? Why should they be? Women are as evil/nonevil as men. And jewlery is something monetary and nonliving. If you want to consider it evil then fine that is up to you. How am I contradicting myself? Humans have been killing each other right? Just like extremists of your religion come to my country in India and kill 200+ innocent people in mumbai for what? Because allah tells them to do so because of the ongoing conflict between jammu kashmir? Is that what he says to kill innocent civilians? You are the one that is contradicting yourself and your beliefs.
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Believe in God is the most important thing in faith. If someone does not believe that God exists then he is in deep astray.Does God exist? We have never seen God. We have never talked with God. That is why the Atheists believe God does not exist. It is just a fantasy or a made up thing!
The Story of a Scholar and an Atheist
There is one story of a Scholar and an Atheist. Long ago an Atheist did not believe the existence of God. He asked a scholar for a debate about the existence of God. Among the questions are: “Does God exist?” and “If God exists then where is God?”
Then they decided when and where the debate takes place.
The Atheist and the villagers were waiting for the scholar, but the scholar did not come right on time. When the Atheist and the villagers thought that the scholar will not come for the debate, then the scholar showed up.
“I am sorry to keep you waiting for so long. But the rain is so heavy so the river floods. The bridge drifted away so I could not cross it. Thank God suddenly there was a big tree fell down. Then the branches cut out by themselves so the trunk was branchless. After that the trunk was cut and a hole was created so it became a boat. So I used the boat and crossed the river,” said the scholar.
The Atheist and the villagers were laughing. The Atheist said to the villagers, “This scholar is mad. How can a tree became a boat by itself with no one made it? How can a boat exist with no maker who made it?”
The villagers were laughing out loud.
After the people calmed down, the scholar said, “If you believe that the boat could not exist without its maker, then how could you believe the earth, sky, and its contents exist without its creator? Which is the most difficult to make? Making a boat or creating the earth, sky, and its contents?
Hearing that, they realized that they trapped with their own statement.
“Then answer my second question,” said the Atheist. “If God exists, why can’t He be seen? Where is God?” The Atheist thought since he cannot see God then God does not exist.
The scholar slapped the Atheist’s cheek hardly so the Atheist felt so much pain.
“Why did you slap me? It’s very painful”
The scholar asked, “There is no pain. I cannot see pain. Where is pain?”
“The pain is here,” the Atheist pointed his cheek.
“No, I cannot see pain. Do you see the pain?” asked the scholar to the villagers.
The villagers said, “No!”
“So, though we cannot see the pain does not mean that the pain does not exist. So is the God. Just because we cannot see the God does not mean that God does not exist. Though we cannot see Him, but we can see His creations.” Said the scholar.
The argument of the scholar is very simple. Yet, the argument that God does not exist just because human’s sense could not sense the existence of God is very wrong.
How many things that could not be seen or heard by people but exist?
We cannot see the Wind but the Wind exists. We cannot see electricity (what you can see is wire) but electricity exist.
How many things in the sky that billions light years away, even trillions light years away that could not be seen by people yet the things exist?
How many molecular things even nucleus (hair divided in millions) that cannot be seen by people yet exist? People could only see those things by using a very powerful microscope.
How many waves (radio, electromagnetic, electricity, etc) that cannot be seen yet exist?
Those things exist, yet the human sense is very limited so it cannot sense their existence.
The human ability to see colors limited to certain frequencies. People only could hear limited frequencies. Sometimes the light not only very dazzling but also could make people blind. So is the sound. Certain sound could not be heard by human sense while other sound which is very loud could destroy human‘s hearing.
If to sense the creatures of God, sometimes people could not do it, even more to sense the Creator: God!
The Universe, Who is its Creator?
It is hard to proof that God exists. But if we take a look to the planes, cars, TVs, etc, it would be irrational if we say that all exist by themselves. There must be people who make them!
If the simple thing such as the match has its makers, then the universe that far more complex than that must be has its creator.
The Earth where 8 billion people live has circumference 40,000 km. The circumference of the Sun is 4.3 million km. The Sun and its 8 planets along with 100 billion stars are in the Milky Way galaxy whose length is 100,000 light years away.
Milky Way is only a galaxy among thousands galaxies that form a Cluster. This cluster with thousands clusters form 1 Super Cluster. And thousands of Super Clusters form the Universe whose length is 30 billion light years away! Remember, the number 30 billion light years away only current estimation since the strongest telescope today only could reach 15 billion light years away.
Imagine if the distance between Earth and the Sun is 150 million km and passed by the light in just 8 minute, then the whole Universe passed by the light in 30 billion years. That is equal to 285 billion trillion km away. If a man could run 40 km/hour without stopping, he would pass the distance in 810,000 trillion years!
That is the greatness of Allah’s creation! If we believe in the magnificence of Allah’s creation, then we should believe in the magnificence of Allah.
In the Quran Allah explains that He is the creator of Heaven, Star, Sun, Moon, and others:
“Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!” [Quran 25:61]
Is there a Controller of the Universe?
There are millions of people controlling the traffic on road, sea, and air. Beacons are built. People also build traffic light and radar. Air Traffic Control is built to prevent accident. All vehicles have drivers. Even on airplane there are pilot and co-pilot to make the flight safer. On the ships there are Captain, navigator, and engineers. Yet thousands of accidents happen every year on land, sea, and air. Even though there are many controllers, the accidents still happen.
On the contrary, the Earth, Sun, Moon, Stars, and others always revolve for billions of years without single crash. Most scientists believe that the Earth, Sun, and all of the other planets and moons in the solar system formed about 4.6 billion years ago. For billions of years until now the Earth never bump into the Sun, and the Sun never collides with the Moon. There is no mark, police, nor pilots to drive them. Without God, the Controller of the Universe, none of these would happen. Everything is in order because there is God who controls everything. Allah has put orbit for each of those things. If we really think about it then we will know that God exist.
“He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge” [Quran 10:5]
“It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit” [Quran:40]
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People who think a lot about universe insha Allah will believe that there is a God!
“Allah it is who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.” [Quran 13:2]
“Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire” [Quran 3:191]
Who is the Creator of People and Plants?
To those arrogant people who deny the existence of God, Allah questions them about His creatures. Who is the creator of sperm and plant? People or God the All Wise Creator?
“Have ye seen that which ye emit?
Do ye create it or are We the creator?” [Quran 56:58-59]
“Have ye seen that which ye cultivate?
Is it ye who foster it, or are We the Fosterer?” [Quran 56:63-64]
“Was it ye who made the tree thereof to grow, or were We the grower?” [Quran 56:72]
Can Men Create a Fly?
In another verse, Allah challenges others to create a fly if they could do it. Men may be could make robots from things that created by Allah. Yet, none could make a fly from nothing nor thing that could reproduce except Allah:
“…Lo! Those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from him. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!” [Quran 22:73]
There are many other Quran verses that describe the existence of God and God is the All Wise Creator.
http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com
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Islam is not a religion which started 1400 years ago, rather, its a religion from the first human being Adam. The same god all Muslims worship which all the prophets did before Mohammed...
A quote from Qur'an:
Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian, but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists) (Aal `Imran 3: 67).
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[TD]Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would
have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in
Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who
believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and
it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place
far distant!"
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[TD]We certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime: but disputes arose therein. Had
it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their differences)
would have been settled between them: but they remained in suspicious
disquieting doubt thereon.[/TD]
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The Story of a Scholar and an Atheist
There is one story of a Scholar and an Atheist. Long ago an Atheist did not believe the existence of God. He asked a scholar for a debate about the existence of God. Among the questions are: “Does God exist?” and “If God exists then where is God?”
Then they decided when and where the debate takes place.
The Atheist and the villagers were waiting for the scholar, but the scholar did not come right on time. When the Atheist and the villagers thought that the scholar will not come for the debate, then the scholar showed up.
“I am sorry to keep you waiting for so long. But the rain is so heavy so the river floods. The bridge drifted away so I could not cross it. Thank God suddenly there was a big tree fell down. Then the branches cut out by themselves so the trunk was branchless. After that the trunk was cut and a hole was created so it became a boat. So I used the boat and crossed the river,” said the scholar.
The Atheist and the villagers were laughing. The Atheist said to the villagers, “This scholar is mad. How can a tree became a boat by itself with no one made it? How can a boat exist with no maker who made it?”
The villagers were laughing out loud.
After the people calmed down, the scholar said, “If you believe that the boat could not exist without its maker, then how could you believe the earth, sky, and its contents exist without its creator? Which is the most difficult to make? Making a boat or creating the earth, sky, and its contents?
Hearing that, they realized that they trapped with their own statement.
“Then answer my second question,” said the Atheist. “If God exists, why can’t He be seen? Where is God?” The Atheist thought since he cannot see God then God does not exist.
The scholar slapped the Atheist’s cheek hardly so the Atheist felt so much pain.
“Why did you slap me? It’s very painful”
The scholar asked, “There is no pain. I cannot see pain. Where is pain?”
“The pain is here,” the Atheist pointed his cheek.
“No, I cannot see pain. Do you see the pain?” asked the scholar to the villagers.
The villagers said, “No!”
“So, though we cannot see the pain does not mean that the pain does not exist. So is the God. Just because we cannot see the God does not mean that God does not exist. Though we cannot see Him, but we can see His creations.” Said the scholar.
The argument of the scholar is very simple. Yet, the argument that God does not exist just because human’s sense could not sense the existence of God is very wrong.
How many things that could not be seen or heard by people but exist?
We cannot see the Wind but the Wind exists. We cannot see electricity (what you can see is wire) but electricity exist.
How many things in the sky that billions light years away, even trillions light years away that could not be seen by people yet the things exist?
How many molecular things even nucleus (hair divided in millions) that cannot be seen by people yet exist? People could only see those things by using a very powerful microscope.
How many waves (radio, electromagnetic, electricity, etc) that cannot be seen yet exist?
The human ability to see colors limited to certain frequencies. People only could hear limited frequencies. Sometimes the light not only very dazzling but also could make people blind. So is the sound. Certain sound could not be heard by human sense while other sound which is very loud could destroy human‘s hearing.
If to sense the creatures of God, sometimes people could not do it, even more to sense the Creator: God!
The Universe, Who is its Creator?
It is hard to proof that God exists. But if we take a look to the planes, cars, TVs, etc, it would be irrational if we say that all exist by themselves. There must be people who make them!
If the simple thing such as the match has its makers, then the universe that far more complex than that must be has its creator.
The Earth where 8 billion people live has circumference 40,000 km. The circumference of the Sun is 4.3 million km. The Sun and its 8 planets along with 100 billion stars are in the Milky Way galaxy whose length is 100,000 light years away.
Milky Way is only a galaxy among thousands galaxies that form a Cluster. This cluster with thousands clusters form 1 Super Cluster. And thousands of Super Clusters form the Universe whose length is 30 billion light years away! Remember, the number 30 billion light years away only current estimation since the strongest telescope today only could reach 15 billion light years away.
That is the greatness of Allah’s creation! If we believe in the magnificence of Allah’s creation, then we should believe in the magnificence of Allah.
In the Quran Allah explains that He is the creator of Heaven, Star, Sun, Moon, and others:
“Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!” [Quran 25:61]
Is there a Controller of the Universe?
There are millions of people controlling the traffic on road, sea, and air. Beacons are built. People also build traffic light and radar. Air Traffic Control is built to prevent accident. All vehicles have drivers. Even on airplane there are pilot and co-pilot to make the flight safer. On the ships there are Captain, navigator, and engineers. Yet thousands of accidents happen every year on land, sea, and air. Even though there are many controllers, the accidents still happen.
“He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for people who have knowledge” [Quran 10:5]
“It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit” [Quran:40]
.
People who think a lot about universe insha Allah will believe that there is a God!
“Allah it is who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord.” [Quran 13:2]
“Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire” [Quran 3:191]
Who is the Creator of People and Plants?
To those arrogant people who deny the existence of God, Allah questions them about His creatures. Who is the creator of sperm and plant? People or God the All Wise Creator?
“Have ye seen that which ye emit?
Do ye create it or are We the creator?” [Quran 56:58-59]
“Have ye seen that which ye cultivate?
Is it ye who foster it, or are We the Fosterer?” [Quran 56:63-64]
“Was it ye who made the tree thereof to grow, or were We the grower?” [Quran 56:72]
Can Men Create a Fly?
In another verse, Allah challenges others to create a fly if they could do it. Men may be could make robots from things that created by Allah. Yet, none could make a fly from nothing nor thing that could reproduce except Allah:
“…Lo! Those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from him. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!” [Quran 22:73]
There are many other Quran verses that describe the existence of God and God is the All Wise Creator.
http://islammyreligion.wordpress.com
--
Islam is not a religion which started 1400 years ago, rather, its a religion from the first human being Adam. The same god all Muslims worship which all the prophets did before Mohammed...
A quote from Qur'an:
Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian, but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists) (Aal `Imran 3: 67).
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[TR]
[TD="width: 35"]41:44[/TD]
[TD]Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would
have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in
Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who
believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and
it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place
far distant!"
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 35"]41:45[/TD]
[TD]We certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime: but disputes arose therein. Had
it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their differences)
would have been settled between them: but they remained in suspicious
disquieting doubt thereon.[/TD]
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now you say it started with adam which the christians believe? so your beliefs in start of life is similar to Christianity. Now a reason why religion is bad. It is bad because religion breeeds extremism and extremism breeds terrorism which is going on in parts of the world right now. Unprovoked attacks. C'mon please don't show me a picture of the universe and history of it and a couple quotes from the prophet muhammad. If god really was there then he should show himself to us. And if you say that he doesn't need to because faith itself should be enough then this is the condition of delusion, ignorance, human conditioning since birth or a combination of all three.
i am telling you religion is going to cause the end of humanity because of extremism which is the sad truth when if we based and lived life on common sense and logic we wouldn't have senseless killings everyday. And also why does islam allow you to marry multiple wives, make them cover their face outside of the house, provide them with less rights than a male? how can you possibily rationalize that?
and if you tell me that the sharia law is perfect. then you are completely ignorant. You do understand how easy it is for a man to commit a crime on a woman and get away with it. And for example if a man doesn't like his wife for whatever reason he can call 3 witnessess who will testify based on fear or because they have a personal realtionship with a male who can completely lie and get the woman stoned to death. You think that is correct?
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Greeetings..
The first man on earth Adam (as) unto the final messenger, the righteous who follow them, those who believe God. This world has said so, this world wasn't created for no reason, but a reason, if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't or shouldn't be alive.
Have you studied any religion? The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spoke about prophet's who came before him, whom were only sent to nations. The Qur'aan speaks about prophet's before Muhammad (PBUH), they all believed in God.
And, Allaah only means 'the God' in arabic. In English we use 'God', and different languages it is different.
Blindly believing Muhammad (PBUH) in what exactly?
Blind faith? It is encouraged to seek knowledge. If you had ever read the Qur'aan you'd know the author of the book asks you to 'READ', (Chapter 96), if you have the slightest idea what your talking about, you wouldn't be asking such a question.
I simply asked you, just like you asked.
Where is Allaah prophesized as God? provide your evidence please.
You can simply stick to your believe of No God or either study Islaam, of which you've not the slightest knowledge of. It wouldn't hurt to study, would it?
The Qur'aan is meant to be a guidance for man, a way to live ones life
Supposedly the God of Hindu's, Christian's, etc came down, how come you don't follow them?
Muhammad (PBUH) took advantage? Do you know what was happening during the time of the prophet (PBUH)?
Jesus, Noah, Moses, Adam, (PBUT) etc etc, came before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), they taught about God, did you know?
They came to teach about the Oneness of God, they told the nation they were upon to stop the evil acts they did and to do what's good for them, so no they weren't just fine.
Yes, that is what the Qur'aan has already taught us. Paradise has been mentioned in the Qur'aan.
All prophet's came with a similar message, although, not all have followed their teachings fully. Some have given them higher rank, perhaps due to their piety, etc and so began to hold them in the same position as God allmighty, while none asked to be worshipped.
"And for every Ummah (a community or a nation) there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged."[Al Qur'aan 10:47]
The brother's point was that, the people are at error not the teacher. So regardless of Muslim or Non-muslim, your not perfect, though you can strive to do so, when taught so.
Your contradicting yourself by blaming 'thiest's' and stating they're the wrong ones, whereas, athiests are no angel's either, they also fight amongst themselves, because they're human. It's not right to speak without knowledge! But if you were to stick to the teachings accordinly, them you'd never be of the losers, who kill civillians and take lives unnecessarily.
Just coz some so called 'muslim's' do something does not mean, Islam teaches this, just because I did a wrong, doesn't mean my parents are to blame, i've my own choice once i'm mature enough to make my own decisions, some make silly decisions based on their lack of knowledge.
The first man on earth Adam (as) unto the final messenger, the righteous who follow them, those who believe God. This world has said so, this world wasn't created for no reason, but a reason, if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't or shouldn't be alive.
Have you studied any religion? The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spoke about prophet's who came before him, whom were only sent to nations. The Qur'aan speaks about prophet's before Muhammad (PBUH), they all believed in God.
And, Allaah only means 'the God' in arabic. In English we use 'God', and different languages it is different.
Blindly believing Muhammad (PBUH) in what exactly?
Blind faith? It is encouraged to seek knowledge. If you had ever read the Qur'aan you'd know the author of the book asks you to 'READ', (Chapter 96), if you have the slightest idea what your talking about, you wouldn't be asking such a question.
I simply asked you, just like you asked.
Where is Allaah prophesized as God? provide your evidence please.
You can simply stick to your believe of No God or either study Islaam, of which you've not the slightest knowledge of. It wouldn't hurt to study, would it?
The Qur'aan is meant to be a guidance for man, a way to live ones life
Supposedly the God of Hindu's, Christian's, etc came down, how come you don't follow them?
Muhammad (PBUH) took advantage? Do you know what was happening during the time of the prophet (PBUH)?
Jesus, Noah, Moses, Adam, (PBUT) etc etc, came before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), they taught about God, did you know?
They came to teach about the Oneness of God, they told the nation they were upon to stop the evil acts they did and to do what's good for them, so no they weren't just fine.
Yes, that is what the Qur'aan has already taught us. Paradise has been mentioned in the Qur'aan.
All prophet's came with a similar message, although, not all have followed their teachings fully. Some have given them higher rank, perhaps due to their piety, etc and so began to hold them in the same position as God allmighty, while none asked to be worshipped.
"And for every Ummah (a community or a nation) there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged."[Al Qur'aan 10:47]
The brother's point was that, the people are at error not the teacher. So regardless of Muslim or Non-muslim, your not perfect, though you can strive to do so, when taught so.
Your contradicting yourself by blaming 'thiest's' and stating they're the wrong ones, whereas, athiests are no angel's either, they also fight amongst themselves, because they're human. It's not right to speak without knowledge! But if you were to stick to the teachings accordinly, them you'd never be of the losers, who kill civillians and take lives unnecessarily.
Just coz some so called 'muslim's' do something does not mean, Islam teaches this, just because I did a wrong, doesn't mean my parents are to blame, i've my own choice once i'm mature enough to make my own decisions, some make silly decisions based on their lack of knowledge.
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How would you know about shariah? and no where in the world is shariah fully implemented.
Is not one ignorant who speaks without knowledge? If you dislike Islam, then why are you here?
If there was good in something, would you ignore it or accept it? simple question
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Pretty much. But In the case of Gods, just like in the case of other non-falsifiable claims like faeries etc, we can not 100% state they don't exist. We can only state that we see no evidence or reason to believe they do exist. The burden is not on us to show something non-falsifiable doesn't exist (that is by definition impossible). It is on the claimant to prove it does.
Atheism makes no claim related to this. Atheism is the lack of belief in God(s). It if compatible with the universe always existing and having no begining. It is compatible with the universe being created by non-intelligent means (say a spin off from another universe). It is even compatible with intelligent design (just not by God(s)).
This goes to the root of non-falsifiability. It is true that because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. But it doesn't mean it is there either. And using "creations of God" as proof that God exists is a non-starter. Calling them "Creations of Gods" assumes God exists. And you don't get anywhere by showing that we can't explain them either, because not knowing something doesn't mean God had to do it. God-of-the-gaps has been used to explain all sorts of things over the years but those gaps get smaller and smaller as our understanding and science grows. There is no shame in admitting "I DON'T KNOW".
The Earth where 8 billion people live has circumference 40,000 km. The circumference of the Sun is 4.3 million km. The Sun and its 8 planets along with 100 billion stars are in the Milky Way galaxy whose length is 100,000 light years away.
Milky Way is only a galaxy among thousands galaxies that form a Cluster. This cluster with thousands clusters form 1 Super Cluster. And thousands of Super Clusters form the Universe whose length is 30 billion light years away! Remember, the number 30 billion light years away only current estimation since the strongest telescope today only could reach 15 billion light years away.
Imagine if the distance between Earth and the Sun is 150 million km and passed by the light in just 8 minute, then the whole Universe passed by the light in 30 billion years. That is equal to 285 billion trillion km away. If a man could run 40 km/hour without stopping, he would pass the distance in 810,000 trillion years!
And given this do you then claim that God created all of this simply for us? Why all the empty space? Why all the other stars and planets? When looking at the tiny pale blue dot in our own solar system (never mind galaxy or universe) it is awfully hard for me to feel so self-important to think that it was all created for me and my species. Especially when pretty much all of it will kill me instantly if I go there. Even on my own planet I can not survive in many of its areas.
Um, no. Not really. The universe is not this harmonious safe place you are imagining it to be I'm afraid. In fact, check this out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaW4Ol3_M1o&feature=fvwrel
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I had unsubscribed from yet another worthless thread by another un-amusing redundant atheist but thought this was noteworthy.
If you had loads of money and wielded loads of power would you wanna live in a tiny ant farm nook or would you want a huge mansion?
btw this has been addressed before, up and including the importance or lack of importance of man kind. We're not the only creatures in existence.
not that I care by the way what you believe or don't I don't give a fig, just to showcase the consistent flaws in your logic!
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Oooh the innocent angelic Indians! Do you even know your own history?
your country? Your Brahmans have been killing each other long before Ghanzni looted Delhi. Your Kings have been fighting and maiming each other for the last 5000 years. Ever read Mahabharata?
Your Northern Indo Aryans came to India 5000 or more years ago and wiped off many locals namely Dravidians and ran them off to the South. What about that?
Your Kings have been fighting with each during the times of Vedas and Upanishads. Your "democratic" state headed by the atheist Nehru has unlawfully taken over Kashmir without giving them the chance to decide for themselves who they want to join.
Your "democratic" nation killed hundreds of innocent Sikhs in Operation Blue Star in 1984. Oh so holy pious Hindustani (Ironically you take pride in the name given to you by Arabs!)! You did not even have a name for your nation before Arab traders descended upon you. And then you with pride sing "saaray jahaan say acha Hindustan hamaraa," a poem written by a Muslim philosopher Muhammad Iqbal????
Tis all struggle of mankind, be he atheist or religious. Will Atheist India give freedom to Kashmir? Will Atheist India let the formation of Khalistan?
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you realize again that your statement was utter crap. Did I ever say us Indians are innocent. I was born a bramhan but do you see me condoning anything that they did or do? No. I think it is disgusting in Hindu society in the way the system caste works for the top of the chain to the botooms (untouchables). Yes I realize India killed innocent Sikhs in Operation Blue Star and after that they decided to blow up Air India....(btw they were stashing weapons in the golden temple) again not justifiying it it was use of excessive force. And you do realize kashmir was always a part of India until the muslims decided to form their own country. It is very similar to the situation in the gaza strip. And who are you supporting there the palestines right? As am I supporting them against Israel. And would you like me to go on a laundry list about Pakistan? I didn't think so. No country is perfect over such a long period of time. Name one country please...yea that's what I thought. Why should India give freedom to kashmir when it was theirs all along? I believe to show some progress as humans both countries should have equal rights to Kashmir and show progress with peace and as humans in general. Has there been any terrorist attacks in Pakistan from Hindu extremists for Kashmir compared to numerous terrorist attacks in India? I didn't think so.
yes I agree Hitler and a few other people.But you are always going to have crazy people on this earth whatt can you do? No atheist is perfect nor is any muslim perfect. You just try to live based on pure common sense and if you don't have that then you can't argue with stupid whether they're athiest or muslim. You see?
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It is inconsequential to me what you accept or reject, I haven't the time nor interest in your personal sob story!
As for backing up well simply do your homework on enver hoxha, mao zedong, lenin, saloth sar etc etc..
Millions of people at the hands of militant atheists but I guess when the quota gets past a number you can't count up to, you dismiss it?
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