US pastor burns Koran in protest

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What do you people think about this? In both ends his burning and the reason for his burning. He is burning the quran in protest to Nadharkhani in Iran being condemned to death based on Islamic sharia law for converting from islam to christianity. Justified?

Of course no! That's a crazy idea. Better take that Apostate to USA.
 
He had to buy those Korans in the first place right? So somehwere, some muslim dude/dudetter got dat paypuh. Also, burning a Koran isn't really offensive....in any way shape or form, especially seeing as it's one of the only halal means of disposing anything with the word of God on it (the other is burial).

I hereby dub this pastor the award of ultimate failure in the universe!
 
At least he's not executing ex-Christians that convert to Islam.
 
an idiot did something stupid. we'd be pretty busy if we took notice every time that happened!
 
Who gave this man attention again? Shame on the media for feeding trolls.
 
There is no compulsion in religion, if the guy wants to leave Islam then let him. No where in the Quran does it tell you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. The Quran even talks about people who have believed, disbelieved, believed, and then disbelieved. Now if we are supposed to kill anyone who disbelieves, how would they be able to do what the Quran describes them doing?

Some people here disagree with me but that is fine they can have the opinion they wish to abide by.

And the pastor, all I can say is I hope he "wakes up" some day.
 
Greetings,

At least he's not executing ex-Christians that convert to Islam.
Are you trying to say something about Islamic law?

There is no compulsion in religion, if the guy wants to leave Islam then let him. No where in the Quran does it tell you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. The Quran even talks about people who have believed, disbelieved, believed, and then disbelieved. Now if we are supposed to kill anyone who disbelieves, how would they be able to do what the Quran describes them doing?
There is a clear hadeeth in Sahih Bukhari that Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: "Whoever changes his religion ( i.e. from islam to another belief) kill him". This is a well known punishment in Islam to the extent that some scholars have quoted a consensus among Muslim scholars on this judgement. Please be careful akhee of using Qur'anic verses in this way without having knowledge of the issue, because as we know, there is a methodology of using Islamic evidences to arrive at a conclusion. There is no compulsion to accept Islam, but it is very a serious thing to know the religion of Truth and then abandon it.

Bear in mind that an apostate is given the opportunity to repent and if he does so, at least with some types of apostasy, the person is not to be killed. So in this way a person might apostasise repeatedly. Another possibility is that a person may disbelieve in their heart while professing to believe with their tongue. and Allaah (swt) knows best.
 
Let them burn Qurans... even if they burnt all the Qurans in the world, we can reproduce them letter for letter, for we have the word of Allah, memorized with our hafiz... approx 10 million at least in the world.

I doubt anyone has memorized any other book from cover to cover like us Muslims...

I was on vigilant citizen forum last night, and some Christians were calling our prophet pbuh all sorts of horrible names. I posed that I found it weird how Christians would slander the prophet Muhammad pbuh in the worst ways possible but Muslims would never do that to Jesus pbuh...

...In Gods vision, who is the more favourable group?

That shut them all up. I got nothing against Christians and believe that true Christians (who are rare these days) and Muslims are like oranges and tangerines, different - but each delicious in their own way..... (thank you J-Dub for the example)

...of course, bad apples also exist in each faith. But these are harldy examples by which to judge a religion by.

The pastor should have known better. Som of his own congregation must have squirmed when they found out that the man they respect as a spiritual leader, went and burn a monotehistic religions holy book. This will no doubt work in the favour of Muslims, as in the past - the burning of the Quran has only served to pique the curiosity of non Muslims, to find out what is inside the book...

...this is how some non Muslims, find Islam, and sooner or later, some of those take shahadah.

Let them burn the Qurans.

I hereby dub this pastor the award of ultimate failure in the universe!

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Scimi
 
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Well said on all accounts...

There is no compulsion in religion, if the guy wants to leave Islam then let him. No where in the Quran does it tell you to kill anyone who leaves Islam. The Quran even talks about people who have believed, disbelieved, believed, and then disbelieved. Now if we are supposed to kill anyone who disbelieves, how would they be able to do what the Quran describes them doing?

Some people here disagree with me but that is fine they can have the opinion they wish to abide by.

And the pastor, all I can say is I hope he "wakes up" some day.
 
Greetings,

Are you trying to say something about Islamic law?

There is a clear hadeeth in Sahih Bukhari that Ibn Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: "Whoever changes his religion ( i.e. from islam to another belief) kill him". This is a well known punishment in Islam to the extent that some scholars have quoted a consensus among Muslim scholars on this judgement. Please be careful akhee of using Qur'anic verses in this way without having knowledge of the issue, because as we know, there is a methodology of using Islamic evidences to arrive at a conclusion. There is no compulsion to accept Islam, but it is very a serious thing to know the religion of Truth and then abandon it.

One simple explanation that comes to mind for the verse you quoted is that an apostate is given the opportunity to repent and if he does so, at least with some types of apostasy, the person is not to be killed. So in this way a person can apostasise repeatedly, and Allaah (swt) knows best.

Is there anyone in this forum who has studied the science of hadith? I'm sure there is a explanation behind it otherwise zakir naik wouldnt have said Death penalty for a Muslim who leaves Islam is not an Islamic Law. Also in surah nisa there is an explanation.
 
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I recently saw a history book for children that explained the difference between Christians and Muslims in this way:

"Christians are followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Muslims are followers of the teachings of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)".

I thought to myself: "They're the same thing....Muslims also follow the teachings of Jesus.."
 
Greetings,

In general, burning books is not a good idea.

Peace
 
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Iluv♥Allah;1514043 said:
Is there anyone in this forum who has studied the science of hadith? I'm sure there is a explanation behind it otherwise zakir naik wouldnt have said Death penalty for a Muslim who leaves Islam is not an Islamic Law. Also in surah nisa there is an explanation.
Check what the scholars have said in this regard, visit trustworthy fatwa sites and Insha'Allaah it should become clearer.
 
Iluv♥Allah;1514043 said:
Is there anyone in this forum who has studied the science of hadith? I'm sure there is a explanation behind it otherwise zakir naik wouldnt have said Death penalty for a Muslim who leaves Islam is not an Islamic Law. Also in surah nisa there is an explanation.

Salaam,

Some scholars argue that Muslims that leave Islam are executed. Others argue that Muslims that leave Islam and promote it/commit treason, will then be executed. I'm not sure how these principles are applied in a real life case. I'm certain there are books on this issue.

Greetings,

In general, burning books is not a good idea.

Peace

Hi,

Welcome back. I used to be known as Guestfellow. Glad to see your doing well.
 
A lot of these posts focus on the man burning the Koran, but ignore the poor man who is facing execution for converting to Christianity. I don't have the knowledge of Islamic law to be able to debate about whether the killing was lawful, but morally it's wrong. Muslims convert to Christianity, Christians convert to Islam. Both basically worship the same God, shouldn't he be given the chance to go back to Islam like he may decide to later in life?

Burning the Koran will achieve nothing, he should raise awareness of the issue in a more dignified way.
 

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