first woman to be jailed for wearing banned Islamic veil

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Ok thanks for the calm approach.
Yes the analogy was bad but my point is that you cannot simply go to a country and try to change the way of life there. If I was to go to a muslim country would you be happy with me trying to voice out my opinion to establish gambling, bars and brothels? of course not!

You are welcome,

Of course not, but have you tried understanding why? You see this is where we always conclude with a load of stuff that is a lie or make the other seem like they're completely messed up. why a certain country would not accept a city running with gambling, bars and brothels? The thing is we always fight and argue over such issues, but we never find a solution, if we only tried to listen to each other.

Here are a few reasons why such things would not be allowed, because they have no benefit to ones soul by gaining nothing, whereas there are permissible ways or alternatives. I'm sure one would argue, well it's 'fun', but what kind of fun is that? sleeping around with some stranger, getting drunk, waking up the next day and having no idea what you did the night before, or going around and wasting a load of money you could've spent on those who are in need, what benefit is there in wasting money? If you ask me I'd prefer to stick to the 'ban gambling' law rather 'permit gambling' into a society..

Here are alternatives, get married, give charity, do what's right for you and avoid the useless stuff, by benefiting yourself and those around you and much more.

 

[Scimitar]

Alrighty now I know how it is. I'm going to get banned because I'm voicing out my FREE opinion and you muslims hate it because I am a westerner. I am now assumed to be a troll because I have different beliefs, great can't wait to get banned.

It's not your country how would you like it if I came to your society and started drinking alcohol in public? Wouldn't like it would ya?
And we don't steal lands^.

Thats considered jaywalking in you country and is an arrestable offence... fail.

DOUBLE STANDARD MY FRIEND.

Scimi

 

[Futuwwa]

It's not your country.

You presume much. Have you verified that no single member of this forum is a French citizen?

But let's presume for the sake of argument that none here is. Therefore?

Is there some cosmic law which states we are not allowed to have opinions or affect things going on in other countries? Does national sovereignty include being free to violate established basic human rights like freedom of religion?

If you think so, then you will practice what you preach and take no issue with the fact that certain Islamic countries ban conversion from Islam to Christianity.

 

[Futuwwa]

Alrighty now I know how it is. I'm going to get banned because I'm voicing out my FREE opinion and you muslims hate it because I am a westerner.

Well, I'm a westerner too, and white enough to qualify as a poster boy for the SS. And I'm voicing out free opinions from time to time too, but I'm mostly liked. Try being less presuming, try listening before dictating. A little humble pie gets you a long way.

 

[GuestFellow]

It's not your country.

Hi,

Who does it belong to then?

Alrighty now I know how it is. I'm going to get banned because I'm voicing out my FREE opinion and you muslims hate it because I am a westerner. I am now assumed to be a troll because I have different beliefs, great can't wait to get banned.[

I personally do not hate your opinion and hope you do not get banned. I like the exposure the Internet provides with different views. It's interesting.

It's not your country how would you like it if I came to your society and started drinking alcohol in public? Wouldn't like it would ya?
And we don't steal lands^.

I was born in Britain. This makes me a British citizen who happens to practice Islam. I have rights to express myself. Therefore, I'm allowed to advocate that I do not approve of alcohol and that it drinking alcohol in public should be banned. In this case, I'm simply taking advantage over the rights that have been granted to me.

 

[UnitedStates#1]

Here are a few reasons why such things would not be allowed, because they have no benefit to ones soul by gaining nothing, whereas there are permissible ways or alternatives. I'm sure one would argue, well it's 'fun', but what kind of fun is that? sleeping around with some stranger, getting drunk, waking up the next day and having no idea what you did the night before, or going around and wasting a load of money you could've spent on those who are in need, what benefit is there in wasting money? If you ask me I'd prefer to stick to the 'ban gambling' law rather 'permit gambling' into a society..

Obviously this is a culture clash so I will try my best to avoid offending people here.
In the western society bars are generally seen as a means of relaxation and it's acceptable here in the west. I am aware that every now and then some attendants do consume too much alcohol but you cannot ban alcohol because of this. There are bound to be stupid people breaking the barrier. Honestly I have no idea why drinking alcohol can be seen as sinful so long as it is done in moderation.
Gambling and Brothels I cannot say much since I actually do not gamble or visit brothels myself however I do admit gambling addiction is a huge problem in our society and I definetely would not mind strict limitations to help people not gamble their future away.

 

[UnitedStates#1]

You presume much. Have you verified that no single member of this forum is a French citizen?

No I thought all Muslims in Europe were immigrants. ^o)

Is there some cosmic law which states we are not allowed to have opinions or affect things going on in other countries? Does national sovereignty include being free to violate established basic human rights like freedom of religion?

Look at the culture clashes between Islam and the West.

 

[Futuwwa]

No I thought all Muslims in Europe were immigrants. ^o)

Then you've learned something new today. Congrats.

But beside that, immigrants tend to get citizenship eventually. After which an immigrant is legally a full and equal member of society, a shareholder in the state, not a guest under any obligation to give the hosts the right of way.

Look at the culture clashes between Islam and the West.

I can see that there is one going on. Therefore?

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Greetings of peace,

In the western society bars are generally seen as a means of relaxation and it's acceptable here in the west. I am aware that every now and then some attendants do consume too much alcohol but you cannot ban alcohol because of this. There are bound to be stupid people breaking the barrier. Honestly I have no idea why drinking alcohol can be seen as sinful so long as it is done in moderation.

I'm sure your aware that in the present day (and past) alcohol has caused numerous harms to the society.

Is that saying that there are no other ways of relaxation? I'm very sure you don't need alcohol to relax, as their are plenty of alternatives.

It's not a really a clash of cultures, probably religion and culture , it's people who drink it out of choice, a matter of choice, matter for individuals to decide upon for themselves.

One of the reasons it is sinful as it has more harm than good. By allowing alcohol, who's gonna stop the crazy ones? it's not gonna stop them is it? Or the amount of harm it causes to the body, here you have another reason to do so and maybe more.

Do you know the amount of harm that would be avoided if it ever was? Ever ponder upon that?

Fact is as we all know well, is that it has done more harm than good, otherwise there wouldn't be a limit to how much one should take, it still remains a drug and a great addiction at that.

However, this may just be an opinion of mine, so feel free to disagree all you want.

 

[GuestFellow]

In the western society bars are generally seen as a means of relaxation and it's acceptable here in the west. I am aware that every now and then some attendants do consume too much alcohol but you cannot ban alcohol because of this. There are bound to be stupid people breaking the barrier. Honestly I have no idea why drinking alcohol can be seen as sinful so long as it is done in moderation.

Alcohol is the main reason why there is a high crime rate in Britain.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CrimeJusticeAndTheLaw/CrimePrevention/DG_181558

^ Source.

 

[LauraS]

We must remember France has put a ban on all religious symbols, not just the hijab, but the hijab has recieved the most publicity. I can understand the country's antipathy towards religion and they've had issues with it since the revolution, but how does banning people from expressing their religion make you any better? Let's hope something is done for this woman.

 

[UnitedStates#1]

Alcohol is the main reason why there is a high crime rate in Britain.

So I guess Islam rules are going to work in the USA too right? ;D

 

[UnitedStates#1]

We must remember France has put a ban on all religious symbols, not just the hijab, but the hijab has recieved the most publicity. I can understand the country's antipathy towards religion and they've had issues with it since the revolution, but how does banning people from expressing their religion make you any better? Let's hope something is done for this woman.

So I can't go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet but a woman with a burqa can?
If a police officer is trying to identify who I am I can simply put on a Burqa and claim that it would be "racist" to be pulling it off?

 

[~ Sabr ~]

A 32-year-old mother from France is set to become the first woman ever to be sent to prison for wearing an Islamic veil.

She is the daftest woman I have ever seen. Seriously. When the hijab is banned, why wear it and put yourself in Jail?! How dumb. :heated:

 

[UnitedStates#1]

She is the daftest woman I have ever seen. Seriously. When the hijab is banned, why wear it and put yourself in Jail?! How dumb.

Good post buddy.
This is about respecting the laws. If you hate the rules then just leave the country?
It's common sense.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

If you hate the rules then just leave the country?

Or, Islamically just make Hijrah, like Muhammad :saws: did when the people of Makkah did not let him do anything.

 

[Muhaba]

what happened to the wests claim that they give freedom to people??? where's the freedom? truly this is an attack on all civilized people and all civilized people regardless of religion should protest against this. In the West women are supposed to have the right to wear what they want !

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

She is the daftest woman I have ever seen. Seriously. When the hijab is banned, why wear it and put yourself in Jail?! How dumb. :heated:

AsSalaamu Alaaykum sis,

So sister's should stop wearing hijaab?

 

[marwen]

AsSalaamu Alaaykum sis,

So sister's should stop wearing hijaab?

I think sister Hafizah is talking about niqab not hijab.

She is the daftest woman I have ever seen. Seriously. When the hijab is banned, why wear it and put yourself in Jail?! How dumb.

My sister Haafizah, I hope you don't mind if I had a slightly different opinion here :
being jailed for your religion is not dumb.
Such people who face trials are the only front of defense of Islam.
If every muslim thinks only about his personal safety and doesn't make sacrifice for this religion, then nothing will remain, because the enemies of Islam think and also want us to think that every part of Islam is not necessary and is not the "basics of Islam", until we abandon all the deen.

We have the right to personally seek our safety. But if we see someone sacrifice for his deen, we should honor him and encourage him. Because he is defending all of us.

Personally I think this women is more courageous than a lot of men. And if there is only one beneficial thing about what she did, it would be that she let all the world know about this unjustice in Europe (political and intellectual unjustice).

Now about the full face veil, let us remember that, no matter anti-muslims make stupid arguments about how it is not practical and dangerous, let us keep in mind that it's part of Islam. Not a fundamental, but defending niqab means defending islam against future agressions.

From an Islamic perspective, some Ulama' see niqab/burka (full veil) as Wajib(obligatory) and they have their respectable daleels and arguments, other Ulama' see it's not Wajib. But ALL OF THEM see it as Mustahab(recommanded). Some sisters chose niqab and they understood that it's obligatory for them to do. That's their personal freedom, and their legal understanding of hijab that no one can affirm they are wrong or doing something unnecessary, because they took a strong opinion supported by a lot of Ulama'. Therefore, no one can prevent them from practicing their religion the way they do.

 

[Insaanah]

In the West women are supposed to have the right to wear what they want !

Supposedly, but not if you're a Muslim it seems.

She is the daftest woman I have ever seen. Seriously. When the hijab is banned, why wear it and put yourself in Jail?!

To stand up for what you think is right, to show that you will not be oppressed, will not give in, will not stop practising what some deem to be a necessary practice of our faith just because they say it's wrong, to expose their so-called freedom that cannot tolerate a piece of cloth, to show that we will fight to wear it and so we are not forced to wear it.. etc...