Quranism

[BadOlPuttyTat]

What is most people's actions to the "Quranist" movement? Many Muslims dislike the corruption and false interpretations of Haddiths for specific gain that they decided to only follow the Quran and Quran only. Its more of a "pure Islam" so i am told but it also creates issues since we all know not all doctrine is in the Quran itself. I find this movement to be wise and somewhat dumb at the same time. I myself recall a Christian movement that didn't want to be influenced by un-knowledgeable Baptist/Protestant preachers, and they simply called themselves Christians to stop sects and influence. The Quranist's have a reputation for removing parts of Haddiths for their own benefit making a even more corrupted system sometimes and contradicting themselves. I understand people who don't want to read Haddiths since they wish not to be influenced by ideals and doctrine outside of the Quran but wouldn't that be a bit dumb? The details of praying, worshiping and Hajj to my understanding are not fully explained in the Quran so wouldn't that be a big contradiction? Shed some light on this for me people :statisfie

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam /Peace


people during the time of the last Prophet pbuh and rightly guided Caliphs puth did not know about "Quranist" movement .

They followed both Quran & Sunnah . Now a days , we are ' more ' Muslims than them :hmm:

 

[Perseveranze]

The Qur'an is the product, the gift to mankind, the mercy and the guide. The hadiths is the instructions manual on how to utilize this gift and make the most out of it.

Qur'anists really really have no leg to stand on.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I made a thread for this a while ago. Doesn't it say in the Quran to follow the word of the Prophets, which in this case would be the Sunnah of Muhammad?

 

[GodIsOne]

Many Muslims dislike the corruption and false interpretations of Haddiths for specific gain that they decided to only follow the Quran and Quran only.

There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become distinct from error. But whoever disbelieves in false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the strong handle that will never break. And Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing.[2:256]

The Quranist's have a reputation for removing parts of Haddiths for their own benefit making a even more corrupted system sometimes and contradicting themselves.

:hmm: Obviously you don't understand Quranism.

Quranists reject the authority of ALL hadith... there is nothing to corrupt and a Quranist has to accept the entire Quran we can't just pick and choose which verses to follow. The entire point of Quranism is to employ our own independent reasoning with regard to theological and authoritative issues. Nothing should be used alongside the verbatim word of Allah(Qu'ran).

Btw I have a good question for all of you claiming that Quranists don't know how to worship or pray: Did Yeshua have a Hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah? Or any other prophet before Muhammed for that matter?

 

[Hulk]

Salam bro.. I don't think its proper to compare ourselves to Prophets.. they were all clearly rightly guided.

The Quran tells muslims to follow the Quran and Sunnah. The Sunnah of the Prophet pbuh can be found in the Hadiths.

 

[GodIsOne]

Did Yeshua have a Hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah? Or any other prophet before Muhammed for that matter?

Granted, I still follow all of the Qu'ran's instructions for prayer.

And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.[11:114]

Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed.[17:78]

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[GodIsOne]

I don't think its proper to compare ourselves to Prophets

I'm not in any way comparing anyone to those prophets. I'm just trying to demonstrate that the prophets before Muhammed didn't follow the rigid formula of orthodox Sunni prayer.

 

[Hulk]

If you really do follow the Quran, you would have returned my greeting.

 

[GodIsOne]

If you really do follow the Quran, you would have returned my greeting.

Salamun Alayka

I don't see how one little error gives you the right to question my faith.

 

[Hulk]

I don't see how one little error gives you the right to question my faith.

I am not questioning your faith, I am pointing out that as human beings we make mistakes so try not to be arrogant in the way you speak.

Not only will it make you short tempered but it will also harden your heart making it hard for you to differentiate between truth and falsehood.

Keep in mind that we are answerable for our words in the hereafter.
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Prayer is only rigid to someone who only judges it from a shallow perspective. A person who sees more than that would be able to appreciate the commitment and humility involved, and even that is based on the outward.

 

[Aprender]

Btw I have a good question for all of you claiming that Quranists don't know how to worship or pray: Did Yeshua have a Hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah? Or any other prophet before Muhammed for that matter?

Hmm. Maybe a brief comparative religion can help with this question. I think it's important to note that the Prophets, peace be upon them, were messengers to the people they were sent to. They were instructed by Allah to show the people they were sent to the correct way to worship and how to carry themselves in everyday life. So I don't think Yeshua (peace be upon him) would need a hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah (swt) when he was getting direction straight from the source.

I was a Christian for much longer than I have been a Muslim. And I have to say that a lot of what we had in the Bible was very similar to hadith, as in the sayings of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and not necessarily the word of God. A lot of what you have in the Bible are the reported sayings and stories of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him.

The only problem with it is that they can't really be completely authenticated in the way that hadith can be as we don't really know who the authors of some of the books in the Bible are. With that said, here are some verses from the Bible that tells Christians how they are supposed to behave when doing things like giving charity, fasting and in prayer. Notice that the quotes here indicate that these are the sayings of Jesus (peace be upon him) as recorded in the Bible.

In the Old Testament the LORD says:
Proverbs 28:27
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Those who give to the poor will lack nothing,
but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.

But what exactly is the manner in which someone should give to the poor? What is the best way to go about doing this? In the New Testament, Jesus (peace be upon him) explains it this way according to the Bible.

Giving to the Needy
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, [SUP]4 [/SUP]so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

So while it is commanded for the Christian to give charity in the Old Testament, the sayings of Jesus (pbuh) illustrate that it shouldn't be done in a boastful way but rather done in secret for there is greater reward for it that way.

On Prayer
Christians know that they are supposed to pray to their Lord. Pslams 95:6 illustrates this form of worship.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Come, let us bow down in worship,
let us kneel before the Lord our Maker;

You will see that the method to do this is illustrated by bowing of some sort. Even in Genesis, we find this worship of the Lord.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then the man bowed down and worshiped the Lord,

And Daniel, peace be upon him, with a similar method, except here you get a little bit more information about how many times a day.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

But the way that they know what they should say while they are in worship is from the way Jesus (peace be upon him) instructed the Christians to do in the Bible in the New Testament.

Matthew 6
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation,[SUP][a][/SUP]
but deliver us from the evil one.[SUP][b][/SUP]’

You will hear many Christians saying this, better known as The Lords Prayer.

Jesus, peace be upon him, also tells his followers according to the Bible:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

So you can see if someone through his own independent thought got the idea that asking or babbling would get his prayer answered, Jesus (pbuh) corrects it before a habit like that can form.

Fasting
Fasting is something that is talked about in the Old Testament. According to Joel 2 in the Bible:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Even now,” declares the Lord,
“return to me with all your heart,
with fasting and weeping and mourning.”

Jesus, peace be upon him, explains to his followers in the manner that they should fast here in the Bible.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, [SUP]18 [/SUP]so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

So here you can see that it was commanded of them to fast, but Jesus (peace be upon him) explains the way that it should be done in a way that is the most pleasing to God.

And Allah knows best in all matters.

The entire point of Quranism is to employ our own independent reasoning with regard to theological and authoritative issues.

I see what you mean but that is the same thing that happened with the Israelites during the time of Moses (peace be upon him). He went away for a while and when he returned what did those people do? They worshiped the calf because of someone elses independent reasoning with regard to theological issues! A lesson can be learned from this in the Quran.

[Allah] said, "But indeed, We have tried your people after you [departed], and the Samiri has led them astray."

So Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved. He said, "O my people, did your Lord not make you a good promise? Then, was the time [of its fulfillment] too long for you, or did you wish that wrath from your Lord descend upon you, so you broke your promise [of obedience] to me?"

They said, "We did not break our promise to you by our will, but we were made to carry burdens from the ornaments of the people [of Pharaoh], so we threw them [into the fire], and thus did the Samiri throw."

And he extracted for them [the statue of] a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot."

[Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?"

He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful [of dust] from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me."

So when we try to lean on our own understanding of certain commands, it can lead to us committing shirk and other types of sins even if we don't necessarily mean to do so. When you want to do something well, when you want to do something right, when you want to worship Allah(swt) in the right way, you learn from the best. That is why it is best to follow the example of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as he was sent as a mercy to mankind.

And this is why Allah (swt) tells us in the Quran:

Surat Ar-Rūm (The Romans)
So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. (30) [Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah (31) [Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects, every faction rejoicing in what it has. (32)

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only

to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

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Perhaps a more knowledgeable member on this message board can explain it better for you than I have or correct or clarify anything I have written as I am still very much learning about this deen too.

May Allah have mercy on us and help us all worship Him in the right way. Ameeen.
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[BadOlPuttyTat]

There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become distinct from error. But whoever disbelieves in false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the strong handle that will never break. And Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing.[2:256]


:hmm: Obviously you don't understand Quranism.

Quranists reject the authority of ALL hadith... there is nothing to corrupt and a Quranist has to accept the entire Quran we can't just pick and choose which verses to follow. The entire point of Quranism is to employ our own independent reasoning with regard to theological and authoritative issues. Nothing should be used alongside the verbatim word of Allah(Qu'ran).

Btw I have a good question for all of you claiming that Quranists don't know how to worship or pray: Did Yeshua have a Hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah? Or any other prophet before Muhammed for that matter?

Well you said the opposite of what i mentioned. The Quranist dont pick out verses from the Quran, they pick them out of the Haddith. This action contradicts their entire purpose

 

[Muhaba]

God's Final Prophet Muhammad S: said that he was leaving behind two things, the Quran and Sunnah (his application of the Quran, his way, his sayings and actions, etc) and so long as we held onto them, we wouldn't go astray.

so the sunnah is a necessary part of islam and we can't be true muslims if we don't follow it. Even in the Quran, we are told to obey and follow the Prophet S: . GOd says taht whatever the Prophet gave us, we should take and whatever he forbids us from, we should refrain from it. so how can we do that if we leave the sunnah?

if you are worried that there are incorrect hadith and you want to avoid following them, then you should learn the Quran well. if you have knowledge of the Quran,
you can tell which hadith are sound and which aren't. this is because the Quran is the criterion, as God Himself calls the Quran Criterion (a thing which helps you tell right from wrong) in chapter 25 Al-Furqan, verse 1.

The Sunnah is necessary to know how one should follow the Quran. The Quran can't be applied without the sunnah. not only are there things that can't be applied without an explanation, such as the prayer, but also it's possible to misinterpret a verse if it's not interpreted according to the sunnah.

it's important to stay away from interpretations of the Quran that aren't according to hadith/sunnah or those that go against the Sunnah as misinterpretations can make a person go astray. The Prophet S: said that whoever interprets the quran from their own selves has made a place for himself in the Fire. that means that interpretation of the Quran should be according to hadith and sunnah and the Quran must be followed according to the Sunnah. if one follows the Quran the way the Prophet S: applied it, they won't go astray. on the other hand, following the ordainments of the Quran without looking at how the Prophet S: applied it may make one go astray.

 

[Insaanah]

Greetings.

What is most people's actions to the "Quranist" movement?

We pray for their guidance.

Also, a more proper term might be hadeeth rejectors rather than Qur'anists, because in rejecting hadeeth they actually inadvertently cannot follow the command in the Qur'an to obey the Prophet (peace be upon him), and Allah's saying that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the one to explain the book, and instead they follow what they personally think is the explanation.

Many Muslims dislike the corruption and false interpretations of Haddiths for specific gain that they decided to only follow the Quran and Quran only.

No, it's not many. Out of the millions or billions of Muslims worldwide, the amount that reject the hadeeth are relatively few. They are a new phenomenon from the last few centuries only, no such thing existed among the Prophet's companions their students and the righteous predecessors and for quite a while.

Its more of a "pure Islam" so i am told but it also creates issues since we all know not all doctrine is in the Quran itself.

It is not pure Islam. Following pure Islam is to follow it as the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) and the early generations understood, it, not a recently invented rejection of all the authentic records of the Prophet's sayings, actions and the example he set for us to follow.

I myself recall a Christian movement that didn't want to be influenced by un-knowledgeable Baptist/Protestant preachers, and they simply called themselves Christians to stop sects and influence.

The hadeeth are narrated by those who saw or heard the prophet (peace be upon him) say something. Their accounts are verified, each persons truthfulness, memory, character and accuracy are verified, and we know which people it was transmitted via. Anyone who is known to have lied even once in his lifetime, any hadeeth narrated from him are rejected. No other literature of the era is recorded with such accuracy. It is the highly righteous and knowledgeable scholars who have checked the hadeeth, and ensured that every small detail of the Prophets life is preserved for us to follow, rather than unknowledgeable preachers.

I understand people who don't want to read Haddiths since they wish not to be influenced by ideals and doctrine outside of the Quran but wouldn't that be a bit dumb?

Actually they are depriving themselves of the ideals and doctrine of the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him), the one whom the Qur'an was revealed to, and the one to whom Allah revealed it's explanation, as Allah mentioned in the Qur'an:

"With clear proofs and writings; and We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect. " (16:44)

That explanation of the Qur'an by the Prophet (peace be upon him) is recorded in the hadeeth. So where the command to pray is given, one will not find details of how many units for each prayer in the Qur'an. That is explained by the Prophet (peace be upon him) as taught by Allah, and the explanation preserved in the hadeeth. You can probably see the clear contradiction in terms here, saying in the shahaadah that you accept and bear witness that he's the messenger of Allah, but then rejecting what he said and did, even though Allah tells us that he is the example for us to follow:

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (33:21)

This duty of the Prophet (peace be upon him) has been stated in 16:43-44 especially to show the wisdom of sending a man as a Messenger, for, otherwise the Book could have been sent through the angels or could have been printed and sent directly to each human. But in this way, that purpose for which Allah in His Wisdom and Bounty and Providence designed to send the Book could not have been served. For, that purpose demanded that the Book should be brought by a perfect man, who should present it piece by piece, explain its meaning, remove any difficulties and doubts, answer objections, and should guide those who believed in it in every aspect of life and set before them his own excellent pattern of life. Then he should train them individually and collectively on the principles of the Book; so as to make them a model society for the rest of mankind.

16:44 shows that the view that the Book should be accepted without any exposition of it from the Prophet (peace be upon him) and using one's own independent reasoning instead (see quote directly below), cannot be correct if Allah says that the Prophet is the teacher and explainer of the book.

The entire point of Quranism is to employ our own independent reasoning with regard to theological and authoritative issues. Nothing should be used alongside the verbatim word of Allah(Qu'ran).

Hopefully you can see my point.

The details of praying, worshiping and Hajj to my understanding are not fully explained in the Quran so wouldn't that be a big contradiction?

Yes. A few of us have asked hadeeth rejector members here as to how they know how many units for each prayer, but they're unable to tell us.

Shed some light on this for me people

In concluding, stay well away from quranism/hadeeth rejection. You have come this far on your quest, don't let yourself go down any other road now.

Peace.

 

[Insaanah]

Did Yeshua have a Hadith to tell him how to pray to Allah? Or any other prophet before Muhammed for that matter?

The hadeeth are the records of the prophets sunnah; their sayings, actions etc, preserved for the followers. So Jesus (Isa, peace be upon him) had a sunnah that people should follow and so did the previous prophets. Their books have hardly survived, let alone any records of their sunnah, if any were ever preserved.

And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.(43:63)

Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel... (57:27, part)

We know that Allah gave him the injeel, which was Allah's words, so obeying the Prophet meant listening to him explaining Allah's words, and following whatever else he commanded in respect to the deen as inspired by Allah. Christians say that they don't need to obey what Isa (alyhissalaam) himself did because he "fulfilled the covenant" thus saved them from having to follow it.

While the sunnahs of previous prophets have been corrupted and lost, the sunnah of our beloved prophet :saws: is preserved down to the minutest detail in the hadeeth, which is only proper if he is the last prophet, sent for the whole of mankind until the end of time, after whom no prophet will come. Therefore, it is vital that details of his life are preserved, and indeed they have been. Otherwise the verse telling us that we have in the Prophets example a beautiful pattern of conduct for us, is meaningless.

If a person believes that nothing other than the word of Allah is to be considered, and any explanation by the Prophet :saws: is invalid, or that all explanations by him cannot be relied upon wholesale, in essence this is implying that Allah, instead of sending His book through a Prophet, could have sent printed copies directly to each individual, if it's explanation by the Prophet :saws: was not necessary, and if each individual had to use his/her own personal reasoning as it's explanation. It's implying that if He knew with His knowledge of the future that the records of the prophets explanations would be wholesale rejected and classified as corrupt, then He got it all wrong by sending it through a prophet and asking the prophet to explain it for mankind. But Allah did not leave us to fumble in the dark making our our own explanations, he sent the book to a prophet, described in the Qur'an as a mercy for all mankind, and indeed was merciful to us in leaving us such a rich and detailed source of the explanation of the Qur'an, it exegesis, and in the Prophets character and practices, so that we can follow his example.

Otherwise, all we have to do is simply to affirm belief in, and testify that Muhammad :saws:was a prophet just like the previous prophets Musa, Isa, Nuh etc, but our relationship with him is nothing more than that of the former prophets. It is implying that we have no obligations to follow any of their patterns, for we have none with us.

Just some food for thought, which I hope you'll consider with an open mind. Remember a brother said in your other thread that one time you were skeptical of the Qur'an and now you believe in it, the same way may Allah guide you to the sunnah of our beloved Prophet :saws: who He sent for us, and for all the world, ameen.

I hope you found some of the sources left for you in that thread useful.

Peace.

 

[Insaanah]

I'm just trying to demonstrate that the prophets before Muhammed didn't follow the rigid formula of orthodox Sunni prayer.

I don't know what you mean by rigid, but we try to follow the hadeeth that says, "pray as you have seen me praying," as he :saws: was the best teacher to teach how to pray. And that wasn't too far off his brothers in Prophethood, as Allah had taught them:

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-multimedia/134308616-muslim-praying.html#post1461509

But alhamdulillah, for Muslims, the exact and minutest details of how to pray as taught to the Prophet :saws: by Allah, are preserved.

 

[Aprender]

What is most people's actions to the "Quranist" movement? Many Muslims dislike the corruption and false interpretations of Haddiths for specific gain that they decided to only follow the Quran and Quran only. Its more of a "pure Islam" so i am told but it also creates issues since we all know not all doctrine is in the Quran itself. I find this movement to be wise and somewhat dumb at the same time. I myself recall a Christian movement that didn't want to be influenced by un-knowledgeable Baptist/Protestant preachers, and they simply called themselves Christians to stop sects and influence. The Quranist's have a reputation for removing parts of Haddiths for their own benefit making a even more corrupted system sometimes and contradicting themselves. I understand people who don't want to read Haddiths since they wish not to be influenced by ideals and doctrine outside of the Quran but wouldn't that be a bit dumb? The details of praying, worshiping and Hajj to my understanding are not fully explained in the Quran so wouldn't that be a big contradiction? Shed some light on this for me people

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [5:3]

Not Quranism or any other type of movement out there. Islam. Before I came to this way of life I didn't actually understand the hadith clearly as I wasn't exactly sure what they were. My experience with them was that even non-Muslims took them as valid and did not reject them because they used the false ones to try and make Islam out to be something bad or took them completely out of context with floating quotes to try and slander the religion.

But it is to my understanding that people who lived during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would ask him questions regarding some of the revealed verses and he would answer those questions for them. When I first read the Quran the copy that I had didn't have any commentary going along with it. So when I would get to certain surahs I sometimes didn't know what was going on exactly. Like in Surah Abasa. I was actually a little confused with the beginning verses and I wanted more background information concerning the incident connected to it but how else would we get any of that background information if not for the hadith? Secondly, I didn't want to try and interpret the Quran on my own whim because
1.) I was merely reading an English translation of the Quran
2.) I do not know the classical Arabic language
3.) Languages evolve and meanings can change over time. Words that mean one thing today could have meant something completely different in another time period. That in and of itself is an easy way for interpretations of the text to be incorrect.

4.) There are anti-Muslim "translations" of the Quran out there. I came across many of them online when I decided I was ready to read the Quran and I finally ended up just going to the local masjid to get a more accurate translation. In 1689 a man named Maracci made a Latin translation of the Quran. He was dedicated to the Holy Roman Empire and specifically selected and misrepresented Arabic commentaries to make Islam look bad so that it would not be embraced in Europe. His translation to try and "refute" the Quran was later picked up and translated into English by other Christian clergymen. Obviously this worked because if the only type of English translation available out there showed Islam in a negative light by someone who was well respected and educated, those reading it would be significantly less likely to embrace the religion. You can find deviant translations and interpretations of the Quran like this today from people who hate the religion and are maliciously translating it based on their own independent thoughts and biases. And people unfortunately accept that negative image of Islam as truth astaghfirullah.

I don't see anything wrong with reading the Quran and pondering over the verses and trying to learn from them to apply to every day life but it would be mighty arrogant for someone like me who is still very much learning about the deen to try and interpret it in my own way and make it work in the way that I want to when we already had the example of what to do and how to carry ourselves as believers in the messengers (peace be upon them) that Allah (swt) sent throughout time. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being the last and seal of them all.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

it's important to stay away from interpretations of the Quran that aren't according to hadith/sunnah or those that go against the Sunnah as misinterpretations can make a person go astray. The Prophet S: said that whoever interprets the quran from their own selves has made a place for himself in the Fire. that means that interpretation of the Quran should be according to hadith and sunnah and the Quran must be followed according to the Sunnah. if one follows the Quran the way the Prophet S: applied it, they won't go astray. on the other hand, following the ordainments of the Quran without looking at how the Prophet S: applied it may make one go astray.

I thought Haddith's were interpretations or part of them at least? Also wouldnt it be the other way around regarding the Quran. Shouldnt the Haddith/Sunnah follow the Quran not reverse? :? Its like looking for a definition then finding a word, most would view that as backwards.

 

[Hulk]

I thought Haddith's were interpretations or part of them at least? Also wouldnt it be the other way around regarding the Quran. Shouldnt the Haddith/Sunnah follow the Quran not reverse? Its like looking for a definition then finding a word, most would view that as backwards.

At first I didn't understand what you were saying then I checked writer's original post and saw that he did mention

if you are worried that there are incorrect hadith and you want to avoid following them, then you should learn the Quran well. if you have knowledge of the Quran,
you can tell which hadith are sound and which aren't. this is because the Quran is the criterion, as God Himself calls the Quran Criterion (a thing which helps you tell right from wrong) in chapter 25 Al-Furqan, verse 1.

I don't think "interpretation" is a good word to describe the Hadith in relation to the Quran even though we can find interpretations in the Hadith. Perhaps it is better described as "Additional info" that "coincides".

Generally, we look to tafsir for exegesis.

I think what writer described sounds a lot like scholarly work, as it's not that simple to be "knowledgable" in Quran. Even if you have read an english translation of the Quran (or even arabic) it doesn't make you "knowledgable" of the Quran.

I remember you mentioned that you are currently reading the Quran, I think by now you have come across a verse that says that there will be people who read the Quran and be guided and there will be people who read the Quran and get even more lost than before.

There is a lot of humility needed when approaching the Quran, even the second chapter begins with "Alif, Lam, Mim". If anything it should remind us that we are limited in your knowledge as we don't even know what it means.

Personally if someone is interested I would recommend the book here.