so much for the "oppressed" Muslim women

[TrueStranger]

oh, if only the Prophet pbuh hadn't bothered the Quraish despite their humiliating treatment of him and the believers, if only he had agreed to worship their gods for a day while they worshipped Allah (Almighty God) for the rest of the month, if only he hadn't come out with all those believers (many of whom died and whose families suffered badly as a result) to take on the world............if only he had just accepted the corrupt kafir rule, and the decadent debauched conditioning of the Quraysh, along with their lewd practices and live abortions of innocent children, and their meddling in everything that didn't concern them, maybe you wouldn't be Muslim now.

What are you talking about? 99% of Somalis are Muslims. They were fighting each other when there wasn't a single Kafir at sight.

Don't mix one situation with another in order to argue for your unrealistic version of what a Jihad is. One is suppose to preach peace between two Muslim brothers not war - And that is what you and the rest of your ilk are doing. To you, the Somalis are nothing but a tool which you uses to propagate your own desires and versions of reality! Shame on you! Ignorance is bliss.

Salaam Aliakum.....I think you know what to say next.

 

[Periwinkle18]

Hey no fighting remember...

 

[dysphoricrocker]

I have little knowledge of their situation there, but is it really necessary for the Muslim women to take up arms? Are there not enough men?

 

[CosmicPathos]

I have little knowledge of their situation there, but is it really necessary for the Muslim women to take up arms? Are there not enough men?

women make up more than 50% of human population. telling them to sit at homes gives the enemy an advantage because the enemy has more technology. I really dont know what Islamic ruling on female soldiers is .... since the evidence is contradictory and different ppl say different things despite 1400 years of scholarship.

 

[CosmicPathos]

aah sister peri ...

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

I have little knowledge of their situation there, but is it really necessary for the Muslim women to take up arms? Are there not enough men?

Well considering that we aren't there to see for ourselves, the best thing we can do is be supportive and make dua for them, I'm sure they wouldn't put their best supporters and the hearts of their homes out in the battlefield if it wasn't necessary. Women have a supportive role in war. They aid the wounded, and help keep Mujahideen in good shape emotionally and spiritually . However, women should be prepared and remain fit in order that they may need to assist, because there are times when they are needed in the battle field, and that's probably where these sisters stand now. It's not a first option, but as I said, sometime it is necessary.

This short clip may help bring a better understanding of women's roles in these times. This particular clip mentions my favorite Mujahidah <3 Nusaybah bint ka'ab .

- cOsMiC

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Of course you won't mind them fighting the government, instead of negotiating. You don't have any family members or loved ones there. And you are speaking of a Civil War that is OLDER than you!

and? People fight all the time doesnt mean its definition changes. And if i did have family I wouldnt care, can a sadist feel love? No, hence I dont. Getting back on hand though people always have a reason to fight for their rights but the current issue is that Somalia is misguided. Now it has come to a point they are butchering everyone senselessly. It is like all civil wars and feuds. The fights go on forever and nobody knows that they are fighting for so to be specific "i did" find the Somalia civil war with cause "but now" nobody is doing any good. If a war doesnt end in 7 years then there is a good chance nobody knows what their doing. :hmm: . Civil wars are just like feuds back in the old west. They would go on and after a while everyone had not a clew of what they were fighting for so they found another excuse. Now Muslims in Somalia are just killing Christians and not the government which oppressed them. And Al-Shabaab isnt helping since it recruited a lot of kids who didnt understand the original purpose of the war.

 

[TrueStranger]

and? People fight all the time doesnt mean its definition changes. And if i did have family I wouldnt care, can a sadist feel love? No, hence I dont. Getting back on hand though people always have a reason to fight for their rights but the current issue is that Somalia is misguided. Now it has come to a point they are butchering everyone senselessly. It is like all civil wars and feuds. The fights go on forever and nobody knows that they are fighting for so to be specific "i did" find the Somalia civil war with cause "but now" nobody is doing any good. If a war doesnt end in 7 years then there is a good chance nobody knows what their doing. :hmm: . Civil wars are just like feuds back in the old west. They would go on and after a while everyone had not a clew of what they were fighting for so they found another excuse. Now Muslims in Somalia are just killing Christians and not the government which oppressed them. And Al-Shabaab isnt helping since it recruited a lot of kids who didnt understand the original purpose of the war.

The children that are forced to fight were born during the civil war and the only thing they know is war. No one knows what they are fighting for anymore. And men, women, and children are just totting guns around. Al-Shabaab is mainly dealing with the Somali government's army and another Islamic group called Ahlu Sunna Waljama'a ( I guess all the Al-Shabaab Supports are probably clueless about this as well). This war is not about Christians Vs Muslims, because Al-Shabaab is getting aid from Eritrean government (Christian Dictator).

The matter is not as black and white as some ignorant members on this thread assume it to be. May Allah increase their knowledge about this matter and protect innocent Somalis who want peace from their indirect actions/support of a group that wants nothing but constant war.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

This war is not about Christians Vs Muslims, because Al-Shabaab is getting aid from Eritrean government (Christian Dictator).

Well naturally the war "wasnt" about Christians vs Muslims but organizations like Al-Shabaab have made it that way. They spend more time executing Christians then doing anything worthwhile. Al Shabaab puts mroe emphasis on a "Islamic ruled state" then fighting for freedom of their corrupted government. As I said, the purpose of this war is lost and has been lost for quite a while.

May Allah increase their knowledge about this matter and protect innocent Somalis who want peace from their indirect actions/support of a group that wants nothing but constant war.

Couldnt say it better myself ;D . Again as I said before, Muslims should blindly support another person for being a Muslim. I have seen Christians do the same but they know when to back off and draw the line while a majority of Muslims dont.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

First of all, Somalia is a Failed State. That means there isn't any functioning government. The famine hit the Al-Shabaab held areas of Somalia the worst. They refused to accept foreign aid/food, and they constantly create an environment of violence for the inhabitants of Southern Somalia. Certain regions of Northern Somalia are functioning properly fine without the need of foreign aid and that is mainly due to the stability and peace they have. "Al-Shataan" are corrupt, violent, and power-hungry warlords, hiding behind Islam. As you could see those women in the picture are probably from Al-Shataan held regions and they seem well fed and ready to kill, while the children are dying of starvation. These people are not risking their lives only, they are directly and indirectly killing innocent Somalis.

yeah, there are some stupid acts some members commit out of ignorance,


Stupid acts? That is a stupid comment you just made. Does killing innocent people come close to being called stupid act? Does implementing gang-like initiations, where they force young boys to kill their parents, their uncles, and their neighbors what you would refer to as a "stupid act". Does forcing children to fight their wars a "Stupid Act". Does shooting from behind my grandmother's house a "STUPID ACT". These people are criminal savages. Does shooting anyone that speaks out against their criminal acts and Stupid Act? How about standing infront of the mosque, waiting for a person to come out of the Mosque, and then shoot them while refering to them as a Kafir!



You know nothing about the rules of engagement or the rules in which Al-Shaatan, or what my family members have to go through because of these criminals you support!



Listen, Somalia was never close to getting "Shariah Law". They just dissolved some WARLORDS, and ACCEPTED some WARLORDS who started to wear a "Kufi and Khamis". And second of all, Somalis have been fighting each other LONG before the Ethiopia, the Kenya, or the Uganda sent troops to Mogadishu. What exactly did the Arab League did for Somalia for the past 21 years? Uganda, Kenya, and Ethiopia are part of the African Union. And Al-Shataan was stupid enough to threaten Ethiopia and Kenya. And for your information, the current TFG president was the leader of the ICC, which Al-Shataan was once part of.

I don't need the "western media" to know what is happening in Somalia. I've PLENTY of family members there, and ignorant individuals such as yourself who think they are doing the Somalis a favor by blindly advocating for a group that is tribalistic, violent, and un-Islamic, are actually blindly and ignorantly giving support to Muslim-Killers.

You think you are helping, but all you are doing is imposing your "Muslims vs, the West" mentality on an issue far more complicated than you current can comprehend.

P.S. Does the words Afghanistanian? of Americanian? Exist? There is no such thing as "Somalian". It's Somali/Somalis!

''You think you are helping, but all you are doing is imposing your "Muslims vs, the West" mentality;;

Yes and i like to do that, the west, russia and china are the cause of the evil of this world because they destroyed our khilafah. I want muslims to be anti-western. You obviously don't know the history of somalia and from your biased history view from public media like CNN. I bet you never talked with somalians about this issue, don't you?

Your twisted media view needs to be removed, its causing fitnah here, and i am not joking. You can indulge people with those lies and make them believe you, why you are using the wartool propaganda of the anti-christ? (The mainstream media)

Yes Somalia was on the verge of shariah law after years of fighting between the mujahideen and corrupt government, they overthrew the corrupt gov and were about to install shariah law, but before they did it US invaded along with african allies, and they are the ones who are blocking aid, placing car bombs and blame it on the as-shabaab, preventing people to be helped. Thanks to the mujahideen in the areas they are controlling there is alot of grain production a good need for food like bread.

 

[TrueStranger]

''You think you are helping, but all you are doing is imposing your "Muslims vs, the West" mentality;;

Yes and i like to do that, the west, russia and china are the cause of the evil of this world because they destroyed our khilafah. I want muslims to be anti-western. You obviously don't know the history of somalia and from your biased history view from public media like CNN. I bet you never talked with somalians about this issue, don't you?

I'm Somali. I have family in Somalia. I can read the Somali news and listen to the people as they describe the horrors of Al-Shataan. Again, there is no such thing as "Somalian!

Your twisted media view needs to be removed, its causing fitnah here, and i am not joking. You can indulge people with those lies and make them believe you, why you are using the wartool propaganda of the anti-christ? (The mainstream media)

Your constant lies and ignorance about the situation is the only thing that's causing fitna on this board. Anti-Christ? ;D

Yes Somalia was on the verge of shariah law after years of fighting between the mujahideen and corrupt government.

Fact #1: There wasn't any government ruling over Somalia when the ICC took over. There were warlords who controlled different regions. And some warlords became allies or leaders of Al-Shataan.

they overthrew the corrupt gov and were about to install shariah law,

Who is they? Who was their leader?

but before they did it US invaded along with african allies, and they are the ones who are blocking aid, placing car bombs and blame it on the as-shabaab, preventing people to be helped.

Fact # 2 That is a lie. Al-Shabad claims every single suicide bomber and car bombing.

Thanks to the mujahideen in the areas they are controlling there is alot of grain production a good need for food like bread.

There is no "Mujahideen" in Somalia's war. Just wolves in a sheep's clothing. The Central region and lower southern part of Somalia has some farming regions, it has nothing to do with them. However, the regions the famine hit the worse are the areas Al-Shataan controls, and people are starving.

Stop deluding yourself. You're not helping. Not everyone who yells "Allah Akbar" is fighting for God!

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

i'm somali. I have family in somalia. I can read the somali news and listen to the people as they describe the horrors of al-shataan. Again, there is no such thing as "somalian!

you tell it like it is girl!

 

[yasirslm]

Seems like a planted photo to show Muslims are terrorist..just a thought^o)

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I'm Somali. I have family in Somalia. I can read the Somali news and listen to the people as they describe the horrors of Al-Shataan. Again, there is no such thing as "Somalian!



Your constant lies and ignorance about the situation is the only thing that's causing fitna on this board. Anti-Christ? ;D



Fact #1: There wasn't any government ruling over Somalia when the ICC took over. There were warlords who controlled different regions. And some warlords became allies or leaders of Al-Shataan.



Who is they? Who was their leader?



Fact # 2 That is a lie. Al-Shabad claims every single suicide bomber and car bombing.



There is no "Mujahideen" in Somalia's war. Just wolves in a sheep's clothing. The Central region and lower southern part of Somalia has some farming regions, it has nothing to do with them. However, the regions the famine hit the worse are the areas Al-Shataan controls, and people are starving.

Stop deluding yourself. You're not helping. Not everyone who yells "Allah Akbar" is fighting for God!

You being a somali doesnt even bother me because you arent living in the country itself. Al-shabaab claims responsibility? mwuaha thats a great lie, because maybe the western backed groups do. You listen to the somali news? Oh, is the media not backed by the puppet-Us backed government? You even dont know anything about your own country...what a shame lol. I dont care if i say somali or somalian thats you only trying to take advance of this discussion whilst you certainly don't because the idea of ''divide and conquer'' doesnt come into your mind.

Most of the hungry people lived in mogadishu and the deserts around it, isnt that government controlled territory? Al-shabaab is not the only group there in somalia. perhaps u should read more about who really place those bombs, the media jumps quickly down on the as-shabaab, whilst there are hundreds of criminal warlords and clans some backed by the government and the terrorist superpowers like the US.

You need to tell things without media lies. the as-shabaab mujahids had areas controlled with shariah law and thats why the US invaded.

You don't know the media tricks, why? they can easily pick up agents disguised as shabaab mujahideen in front of the camera and claim responsibility. Newspapers, they can write their own stories, not actual facts.

Yes anti-christ, look who are controlling the media, its shaytaans tool. Labling a whole group as al-shaytaan what a lazy mans tactic and what a slander towards our ummah. May Allah guide you and your supporters and may HE guide us. Ameen

 

[Scimitar]

women in jilbabs sporting AK47's and looking menacing... I'm reconsidering marriage. I don't wanna be shot at in a moment of emotional instability... facepalm?

Kidding kidding. Guys, whatever the case is - this report is from The Sun, a paper so rubbish, that it has no standing except as an anti-Islamic propaganda publication. Living in London, and having had the experience of working as an editor for national papers and magazines, as well as international b2b publicaitons, I can tell you this - it's all just BS to please the advertisers and sponsors of the said publications ok?

And these advertisers and sponsors float on the nasdaq and FT index - meaning, they are all part of those elite organisations that support Isra-Hell. Don't get it twisted, whatever the case is with these women with Ak's, we are not being told the truth.

Allah knows best what that truth is. Now I suggest that this thread be locked and all insults be edited out, and we get back to normality here. As an Ummah, we are only reflective of the way we treat eachother.

Scimi

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Scimi is right, I apologise if my posts caused you offence, we should be working on uniting instead of disagreeing and getting caught up in animosity with eachother.

but truth is, this article is from a anti-islamic news article and these matters we are talking about are just propaganda against Islam.

May Allah(SWT) give us the chance to see the truth. Ameen

 

[Muhaba]

I hear Somalia has oil (petrol) discovered in it. and there's a huge source of water under Libya. and there huge plots of land adjacent to the Nile River in Sudan perfect for farming but lying barren. It is a sad situation the way the world is today. ppl are dying, starving to death, etc, while such great resources lie uselessly.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

You being a somali doesnt even bother me because you arent living in the country itself. Al-shabaab claims responsibility?

She being a somali means she has a family that is living there. You are not a somali so you know far less than her about their situation. Thirdly, somalia is more complex then you are making out and most somalis will oppose everything you have written. In fact, there are plenty of threads in this forum about somalia and one in particular I will post (once I have access to computer because I'm using my mobile) and it will give you insight about the situation in somalia. Hopefully, think before you jump the gun.

 

[TrueStranger]

You being a somali doesnt even bother me because you arent living in the country itself. Al-shabaab claims responsibility? mwuaha thats a great lie, because maybe the western backed groups do.

"Maybe" is your defense of proving that something is a lie? What is the purposes of you supporting, advocating, and lying on behalf of a group whose history you are naturally ignorant about? What is the point of you blaming the west, when the typical Somali knows that Al-Shataan has proven several times and repeatedly that they are nothing but ruthless cannibals? --- What is the point of you defending those who oppress Muslims who are already suffering?

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P.S. Thank you for kindly supporting an extremist group who indiscriminately kills people and puts the lives of my loved ones in danger. I'll never forget your kindness.

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

Scimi is right, I apologise if my posts caused you offence, we should be working on uniting instead of disagreeing and getting caught up in animosity with eachother.

but truth is, this article is from a anti-islamic news article and these matters we are talking about are just propaganda against Islam.

May Allah(SWT) give us the chance to see the truth. Ameen

Just in case you both overlooked this sister true stranger and rhubarb tart.

- cOsMiC