R ur jeans below ur waist? - READ -

[Muezzin]

If there's nothing wrong with a Muslim male pulling his trousers down to expose his boxer-clad backside, does that mean there's also nothing wrong with a Muslim female doing the same?

 

[~ Sabr ~]

bro, dont you see difference n having pants hanging low along with boxers AND walking around naked? Do you know the difference between the two?

If a woman wore a skirt with a belt, hanging below her waist, showing her underwear, would you like that?

It's a serious question.

 

[CosmicPathos]

If a woman wore a skirt with a belt, hanging below her waist, showing her underwear, would you like that?

It's a serious question.

Is her awrah covered? If yes, then I dont see problem with it. Plus, its her life, her grave, why would it affect me, even if shes walking around naked? I just wouldnt look at her and mind my own business.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Is her awrah covered? If yes, then I dont see problem with it. Plus, its her life, her grave, why would it affect me?

No offence brother, but that is DISGUSTING.

That would be UNISLAMIC, IMMODEST and absolutely DISGUSTING.

Oh my Allaah. :ermm:

 

[Muezzin]

Enjoin the good, forbid the evil. Nobody's perfect, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but we should still try to do what is right and guide each other with sincerity rather than sanctimony.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

Enjoin the good, forbid the evil. Nobody's perfect, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but we should still try to do what is right and guide each other with sincerity rather than sanctimony.

Apparently some people don't believe this brother, I think I'm going to be +o(

 

[CosmicPathos]

No offence brother, but that is DISGUSTING.

That would be UNISLAMIC, UNMODEST and absolutely DISGUSTING.

Oh my Allaah. :ermm:

That is up to Allah to decide sis how disgusting it is (maybe she has a psychosis breakdown and running on the street in madness? What do I know!). Yes, it goes against my beliefs, but why should I enforce my beliefs on her?

 

[~ Sabr ~]

(maybe she has a psychosis breakdown and running on the street in madness? What do I know!).

So brothers that do this have the same thing? That's what you are saying? That they have a psychosis breakdown is why they dress like this?

Why should it be any different for brothers/sisters?

 

[CosmicPathos]

So brothers that do this have the same thing? That's what you are saying? That they have a psychosis breakdown is why they dress like this?

Why should it be any different for brothers/sisters?

are the brothers walking around naked? If yes, that is as appalling.

 

[~ Sabr ~]

are the brothers walking around naked?

Please re-read back on your posts brother. You are contradicting yourself and going around in circles.

You said that if brothers do this, as long as they are covered, it's fine. If sisters do this they are crazy.

Why should it be any different for sisters? Please answer this.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Please re-read back on your posts brother. You are contradicting yourself and going around in circles.

You said that if brothers do this, as long as they are covered, it's fine. If sisters do this they are crazy.

Why should it be any different for sisters? Please answer this.

no i was referring to sisters being naked. if they are covered, fine. i dont care, their style!

 

[~ Sabr ~]

no i was referring to sisters being naked. if they are covered, fine. i dont care, their style!

SubhaanAllaah, I don't have anything else to say to you brother.

May Allaah protect us from such harmful fashion, Ameen.

:salamext:

 

[Muezzin]

Put it this way. Deliberately exposing your underwear in public isn't exactly dignified. There are also other fashion trends which are equally undignified, but this thread is about low-slung jeans specifically.

 

[Muhammad]

the argument of "imitating the kaafirs" cannot apply ... cuz if we it did, then we are all imitating kaafirs by using internet, by all our cultural things, by speaking language of kufaars ... and we can keep on talking about it.

The imitation that is blameworthy is imitating the kuffaar in something that is unique to them. Moreover, it is known among people that this way of dressing is not a modest way to dress and is often linked with immorality - if we don't want to accept the origins mentioned in the first post, refer to brother ardianto's post earlier. Not only this, but during the first decade of the 21st century, many local governments, school systems, transit agencies, and even airlines passed laws and regulations against the practice of wearing sagging pants, and federal and state have banned the practice [read more here]. It does not take much convincing to understand that exposing one's underwear in public is not an appropriate thing to do. Just because it has become an item of fashion does not mean it is justified, in the same way that there are many other aspects of fashion that are not appropriate for Muslims.

We should be clear on this, not because we are making judgements on other people's afterlives, rather because, as brother Muezzin said, we want to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, and evil should first be acknowledged for what it is, so we can discourage our brothers from being caught up in it.

From a khutbah by Shaykh Saud Ash-Shuraim:

...Furthermore, when a person puts on the clothes usually worn by scholars, he may feel himself as somehow closer to them, because similarity and imitation in outward appearance leads to resemblance in inward characteristics such as personal characteristics and morals, as is witnessed in reality and is confirmed by Islaamic jurisprudence and common sense. In the old times, it was said: ‘Birds of a feather flock together’; this is a realistic proverb which conforms to the manner in which Allaah has formed His creation. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam spoke the truth when he said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Ahmad & Abu Dawood)

Shaykh Al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “We have seen that the degree of polytheism is less in those Jews and Christians who reside with Muslims, and that the degree of faith in the Muslims who have dealt extensively with the Jews and Christians is lesser than that of the pious Muslims.”

O servants of Allaah! Imitating polytheists and atheists in their clothing, customs, rules, politics and economics has become widespread among many Muslims to a very large extent, so much so that the one who blindly imitates and tries to Westernize might even be respected by the foolish masses and the youth, including the rich, intellectuals and even the poor, who are attracted to such a person. Woe to imitation and subordination! What weighty and oppressive constraints they have! What a dark path theirs is! What a great loss for whoever follows them!

Yes, woe to imitating and following the West! It has trapped some Muslim generations in the dark, narrow prisons of subordination and dependence, and prevented them from thinking, meditating and heading for glory. It has blocked the means to the real happiness of their souls.

Woe to imitation and dependence! They are obstacles for the intellects and prevent everything that may revive them.

The Muslim Nation should lead, not be led; others should depend on us and not the reverse. Our Nation should not be deceived by the artificial adornments possessed by some devastated people, as Allaah says that which means: "And do not extend your eyes toward that by which We have given enjoyment to [some] categories of them, [its being but] the splendor of worldly life by which We test them. And the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting." (Taa-Haa: 131).

The Western civilization is like a mirage, which, when seen from a distance is like a large sea, but it is as Allaah says which means: "But the disbelievers – their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allaah before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allaah is swift in account." (An-Noor: 39).
http://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/184.htm

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Please also see: Guidelines concerning imitation of the kuffaar

Wassalaamu Alaykum.

 

[Snowflake]

While underpants are a garment that does cover the sattar, the reason for exposing them is an immoral one. No decent person wishes his undergarment which are to cover the prviate parts to be showing. It is only done to draw attention to the private parts i.e. sexuality. Thus any garment, that advertises sexuality and acceptance of such behaviors becomes indecent and therefore haram.

 

[CosmicPathos]

The imitation that is blameworthy is imitating the kuffaar in something that is unique to them. Moreover, it is known among people that this way of dressing is not a modest way to dress and is often linked with immorality - if we don't want to accept the origins mentioned in the first post, refer to brother ardianto's post earlier. Not only this, but during the first decade of the 21st century, many local governments, school systems, transit agencies, and even airlines passed laws and regulations against the practice of wearing sagging pants, and federal and state have banned the practice [read more here]. It does not take much convincing to understand that exposing one's underwear in public is not an appropriate thing to do. Just because it has become an item of fashion does not mean it is justified, in the same way that there are many other aspects of fashion that are not appropriate for Muslims.

We should be clear on this, not because we are making judgements on other people's afterlives, rather because, as brother Muezzin said, we want to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, and evil should first be acknowledged for what it is, so we can discourage our brothers from being caught up in it.

From a khutbah by Shaykh Saud Ash-Shuraim:

...Furthermore, when a person puts on the clothes usually worn by scholars, he may feel himself as somehow closer to them, because similarity and imitation in outward appearance leads to resemblance in inward characteristics such as personal characteristics and morals, as is witnessed in reality and is confirmed by Islaamic jurisprudence and common sense. In the old times, it was said: ‘Birds of a feather flock together’; this is a realistic proverb which conforms to the manner in which Allaah has formed His creation. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam spoke the truth when he said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." (Ahmad & Abu Dawood)

Shaykh Al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “We have seen that the degree of polytheism is less in those Jews and Christians who reside with Muslims, and that the degree of faith in the Muslims who have dealt extensively with the Jews and Christians is lesser than that of the pious Muslims.”

O servants of Allaah! Imitating polytheists and atheists in their clothing, customs, rules, politics and economics has become widespread among many Muslims to a very large extent, so much so that the one who blindly imitates and tries to Westernize might even be respected by the foolish masses and the youth, including the rich, intellectuals and even the poor, who are attracted to such a person. Woe to imitation and subordination! What weighty and oppressive constraints they have! What a dark path theirs is! What a great loss for whoever follows them!

Yes, woe to imitating and following the West! It has trapped some Muslim generations in the dark, narrow prisons of subordination and dependence, and prevented them from thinking, meditating and heading for glory. It has blocked the means to the real happiness of their souls.

Woe to imitation and dependence! They are obstacles for the intellects and prevent everything that may revive them.

The Muslim Nation should lead, not be led; others should depend on us and not the reverse. Our Nation should not be deceived by the artificial adornments possessed by some devastated people, as Allaah says that which means: "And do not extend your eyes toward that by which We have given enjoyment to [some] categories of them, [its being but] the splendor of worldly life by which We test them. And the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting." (Taa-Haa: 131).

The Western civilization is like a mirage, which, when seen from a distance is like a large sea, but it is as Allaah says which means: "But the disbelievers – their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allaah before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allaah is swift in account." (An-Noor: 39).
http://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/184.htm

​

Please also see: Guidelines concerning imitation of the kuffaar

Wassalaamu Alaykum.

bro jeans were once unique to kaafirs, now they are a common way of dressing. Things which are once unique, become common occurrences if adopted by cultural spread and globalization.

 

[KnockKnock]

We should all pull up our pants and get along

 

[CosmicPathos]

While underpants are a garment that does cover the sattar, the reason for exposing them is an immoral one. No decent person wishes his undergarment which are to cover the prviate parts to be showing. It is only done to draw attention to the private parts i.e. sexuality. Thus any garment, that advertises sexuality and acceptance of such behaviors becomes indecent and therefore haram.

sis, those are not really underpants. one can take pants off and walk around with "boxers." They still cover the satr. So the question of being an "undergarment" really depends on if something is worn on top of it.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

We should all pull up our pants and get along

Amen brother I heard that :statisfie

 

[GuestFellow]

Ah I didn't expect disagreements to arise from this topic...I guess I'm wrong. :/

I suppose you can keep your jeans below your waist as long as the shape of your...hoo haa is not revealed (Like wearing a big long trench coat). Sorry, I didn't know how to put it. Though I know many guys that wear their jeans below their waist and it's really embarrassing since they expose everything...full moon in the afternoon.

The basic rule is to cover yourself and not expose your body. Do not wear clothes that reveal your shape nor are see through...applies to both Muslim men and women.