so much for the "oppressed" Muslim women

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I didn't overlook it nor was I rude. So I don't see why you are applying that statement to me especially since I'm helping him correct his ignorance by suggesting to provide links to discussion about somalia by somalis.
 
Just in case you both overlooked this sister true stranger and rhubarb tart.

- cOsMiC

Oh, I haven't overlooked it at all. The kid continues to support "Al-Shabaab" out of pure ignorance. It's difficult to "unite" with someone who is supporting a group that continues to defy peace and kills innocent Muslims because it doesn't fit his lala-land perception of this group.

Several scholars (Sheikh Umal, Sheikh Shibili, Shiekh Ibrahim Dheere, and Sheikh Kamaaludiin ) have labelled this group as Khawaarij and I'm actually listening to one lecture currently. Sadly i can't post the video because I doubt anyone here can speak Somali. I suggest you highlight the facts Jedi refuse to accept.
 
it is a logical fallacy to state that somalis would of course know more about problems facing somalia than an outsider would. It is called circular reasoning. If that was true then why are there conflicting views among Somalis themselves?

Just because someone has family living in Somalia (or any other country), it does not mean that the information they will receive will be accurate, rather the chances of it being biased are ever increased.
 
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Ukhti, I didn't say you were rude did I? let's not assume. I mentioned you, because you quoted him on a post he made before his apology. He realized a few things after scimi posted, so he decided to apologize. After somebody attempts to make peace with others, it isn' wise to bring things back up and start the cycle all over again cuz that's exactly where this was going. Why beat a dead horse? know what I mean bean? :)

Sorry if I offended you sis, texts don't have emotion so it's hard to read the intention behind the post u know?

- cOsMiC
 
Allah knows best what that truth is. Now I suggest that this thread be locked and all insults be edited out, and we get back to normality here. As an Ummah, we are only reflective of the way we treat eachother.

Scimi

The truth is that Al-Shataan parades women and children around with guns, and encourages them to fight their "jihad". It's not a propaganda created by the "West" to make the Muslims look bad, Al-Shataan is well capable of doing SUCH that.


You will find more pictures in the Somali link below.

http://www.dhacdo.com/main/news.php?readmore=1373
 
Guys,Guys,Guys....Hold On,Hold On.....What we as a Muslims presenting ourselves to Non - Muslims?West will throw a bone and we will all start.......!!The newspaper's credibility is said to be ill repute by many members above.Calm Down And Don't Live Your Life on Forums.Not WORTHY.Post away and go out for a walk.

Assalmu Alaikum
 
it is a logical fallacy to state that somalis would of course know more about problems facing somalia than an outsider would. It is called circular reasoning. If that was true then why are there conflicting views among Somalis themselves?

Just because someone has family living in Somalia (or any other country), it does not mean that the information they will receive will be accurate, rather the chances of it being biased are ever increased.

It's not the fact that a Somali knows about Somalia more than a non-Somali necessarily, but Jedi and the thread started have proven their abundance ignorance on this topic.

However, it's also important to know that Somalis who speak, read, and understand Somali have access to knowledge non-Somalis don't. They have first eye-witness accounts coming straight from home. Conflicting views does not mean lack of knowledge, just difference of opinions. And for people who are fighting for more than 21 years, "Conflicting Views" is the NORM!

Where exactly are Jedi and the rest of you receiving your information from? Al-Shataan themselves? Or the Western media you so label as fallacious.
 
it is a logical fallacy to state that somalis would of course know more about problems facing somalia than an outsider would. It is called circular reasoning. If that was true then why are there conflicting views among Somalis themselves?

Just because someone has family living in Somalia (or any other country), it does not mean that the information they will receive will be accurate, rather the chances of it being biased are ever increased.

Somalis would know more about their situation then a non somali who does not know the language and culture. There is no conflicting views amongst somalis other than those that are part of the group. Every somali outside the group are against them completely. Plus the brother said to truestranger that she does not know because she is not a somali. Once she corrected him, he then says she stil wouldn't know because she don't live there. I pointed she has family there and would know hell lot more then him.


Plus I'm not surprised you jump to his defence since you hate truestranger as proven in previous comment you made here (which you've edited) and countless of little remarks you make. Either that or you tend to have extreme dislike towards female members you disagree with.
 
Either that or you tend to have extreme dislike towards female members you disagree with.

personal attack.

no, i had huge disagreement with sis haafizah ... i dont hate her, i think shes a nice sister and a very valuable member here.
 
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Oh, I haven't overlooked it at all. The kid continues to support "Al-Shabaab" out of pure ignorance. It's difficult to "unite" with someone who is supporting a group that continues to defy peace and kills innocent Muslims because it doesn't fit his lala-land perception of this group.

Several scholars (Sheikh Umal, Sheikh Shibili, Shiekh Ibrahim Dheere, and Sheikh Kamaaludiin ) have labelled this group as Khawaarij and I'm actually listening to one lecture currently. Sadly i can't post the video because I doubt anyone here can speak Somali. I suggest you highlight the facts Jedi refuse to accept.

I can understand where ur coming from, and the fact that you are somali I'm sure hurts a bit more and makes you more frustrated. I guarantee you this young man is no ignorant. It's not wise to assume ukhti, really. This young man works hard to learn, and he knows the bigger picture quite well, and perhaps he understands thing you don't and vise versa. Just because you are or your family is from somalia doesn't mean you have an upper hand. Just as an example, My family is mexican and I hear their complaints and hardships first hand, and they are wrong hands down when it comes to understanding what exactly is going on around them. Just, don't underestimate bro jedi because he is young. It is the youth that accepted Islam full heartedly, much of the sahabi were youth. The younger a person is, the less time they have had to "set in their ways" and become stubborn. Older people are closed up and argumentative. It didn't take much for bro jedi to apologize did it? Let's also remember there are language barriers here.

The point of my post here, is that we need to be more tolerant and patient withe each other. As I said, I can understand why u get frustrated, but I also understand bro jedi's frustrations. So, it's best to just keep peace and stay united. We are all muslim, lets remember our common ground. As they say in spanish "El Pueblo unido jamas sera vencido" (a united people will never be defeated).

- cOsMiC
 
I can understand where ur coming from, and the fact that you are somali I'm sure hurts a bit more and makes you more frustrated. I guarantee you this young man is no ignorant. It's not wise to assume ukhti, really. This young man works hard to learn, and he knows the bigger picture quite well, and perhaps he understands thing you don't and vise versa. Just because you are or your family is from somalia doesn't mean you have an upper hand. Just as an example, My family is mexican and I hear their complaints and hardships first hand, and they are wrong hands down when it comes to understanding what exactly is going on around them. Just, don't underestimate bro jedi because he is young. It is the youth that accepted Islam full heartedly, much of the sahabi were youth. The younger a person is, the less time they have had to "set in their ways" and become stubborn. Older people are closed up and argumentative. It didn't take much for bro jedi to apologize did it? Let's also remember there are language barriers here.

The point of my post here, is that we need to be more tolerant and patient withe each other. As I said, I can understand why u get frustrated, but I also understand bro jedi's frustrations. So, it's best to just keep peace and stay united. We are all muslim, lets remember our common ground. As they say in spanish "El Pueblo unido jamas sera vencido" (a united people will never be defeated).

- cOsMiC

Oh beautiful sister, it is one thing to say you understand and a different thing to actually show it. Your post clearly shows that you are one-sided. Jedi did not apologize for supporting Al-Shabaab or acknowledging they they have actually killed people indiscriminately. And quite frankly I don't see you correcting him for his "Anti Christ" Remarks! I'm sure Jedi "works" hard to learn the bigger picture by ignoring the views and experiences of those within the picture. Just because your family is supposedly wrong about events in Mexico does not mean that mine are. And the hardships of Mexico is nothing compared to that of Somalia. Age has nothing to do with stubbornness, that is just your opinion of the matter.

There can't be a united Muslim, when some blindly, and I do say BLINDLY support a violent group they have no basic knowledge of. It's Personal, that you are correct about.
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personal attack.

no, i had huge disagreement with sis haafizah ... i dont hate her, i think shes a nice sister and a very valuable member here.

Good, personal attack because I have gut to say it how it is. Plus I have never seen you speak to haafizah they way you speak to truestranger. Otherwise why dud you edit out?


And other digs you make towards her. Can you explain that?
 
?i will re-post below statement by true stranger and ask why would scholars be against this group?


Several scholars (Sheikh Umal, Sheikh Shibili, Shiekh Ibrahim Dheere, and Sheikh Kamaaludiin ) have labelled this group as Khawaarij and I'm actually listening to one lecture currently. Sadly i can't post the video because I doubt anyone here can speak Somali. I suggest you highlight the facts Jedi refuse to accept.

Such statements has never been made about talibans in Afghanistan.
 
Honestly this is a cop out. Knowledge is based on facts. How can one have "differing opinions" on facts?


Opinions are not based on facts......

Rhubarb, don't take him serious. He goes out of his way to make provocative post to get my attention. It's has been a good while now.
 
Opinions are not based on facts......

but you just said that having different opinions does not mean they dont have knowledge. Duh. If someone had similar knowledge, they would have same opinions. All children who know about gravity have same opinions about effects of gravity.
 
Plus I have never seen you speak to haafizah they way you speak to truestranger.

because haafizah for the most part speaks what Quran/Sunnah says. Most of the times, her posts make sense and are not feminist in origin and dont take jibe at men.
 
So sis you want me to change your opinion, whilst you still lable a whole group ''as-shaytaan''? The fools who are in a far minority dont represent a whole group. you sound like you support the somalian puppet government and the western invasion of it, whilst i think you don't.

You don't know military tactics and can't see the very bigger pictures. CIA has a large prescence in both somalia and afghanistan, aren't you sure that the CIA does place carbombs and meanwhile blame it on the mujahideen groups? Thats to create divsion right? Blackwater, CIA, SAS are known to do these kind of covert operations, also somalian government plays a role in this.

Dont worry, i'm not speaking from a harsh tone, just want you to get to see the bigger picture rather than the media sort.
 
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Bro Jedi.........Leave The Discussion.........Stand Up and Don't Post anymore in this thread,Read the last two pages,nothing fruitful is coming out of it.Please Kindly Consider it
 
because haafizah for the most part speaks what Quran/Sunnah says. Most of the times, her posts make sense and are not feminist in origin and dont take jibe at men.

Most of what you write is not supported by Quran or sunnah. And most fo what you write is sexist, racist! For example, in advice section: why written about educated men may not want educated women (worldly degrees ). I've noticed that you didn't write worldly degrees under educated men. Or how the time, you've written you had hatred for ribs of adam (pbuh) aka women. Then changed your mind when a sister picked up on it. And few examples and there are plenty of more examples. LOL! Hypocrite much?

Btw in this dicussion she provided several scholars that support her statement about his group.

Lol @ cosmic liking your comment of justifying why you constantly take dig on true stranger.
She wants peace! Please!
 

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