The Holy Quran's take on slaves put to prostitution

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Today I came acrooss the 33rd verse of surah Nur which states:
.....But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life..
I believe the Quran is the most eloquent book on earth, in that case, what I'm pondering about is; If the slaves don't desire Chastisy, can they ve forced???
Please help clarify this
Jazaallah Khairun
 
Prostitution is Haram. It's obvious that, also when someone does not desire chastity, it's haram to help him or push him to do a forbidden act. But the ayah was talking about an even more atrocious sin, when a master forces his slave/maid to prostitution, while the slave does not want to do this sin.

The Ayah was revealed, wAllahu A'alam, when Abdullah ibn Ubay ibn Salool (a kaafir master of Kuraish) was forcing one of his maids, her name was Mu'adheh ( معاذة ), but she was refusing because she entered in Islam. So she went to the prophet SAW to complain about that, and the ayah was revealed then.
[At tahrir wat-tanweer, Muhamed Al Taher Ibn Aashoor]
 
This makes me wonder...
What of those slaves Muslim men are allowed to keep and use for sex [with their consent]....
Can they be used by more than one man at any given time? :ooh:
 
This makes me wonder...
What of those slaves Muslim men are allowed to keep and use for sex [with their consent]....
Can they be used by more than one man at any given time? :ooh:

for sensitive questions like this, its very difficult to get a satisfying answer especially through the net.


Speaking from experience sis, I find it very scary to approach such topics without first reciting the surahs which give protection (such as surah nas and ayatul kursi) and making my emaan and islam firm.

We all know what the devil is capable of, Allah is most wise and he is extremely good at making us forget that.

This advise is only for muslims obviously, but I think its extremely important to have firm faith with topics which are so sensitive, Allah knows what kind of deviance one can so easily run into these days...



hope i made at least a bit of sense, just my thoughts on it
 
for sensitive questions like this, its very difficult to get a satisfying answer especially through the net.


Speaking from experience sis, I find it very scary to approach such topics without first reciting the surahs which give protection (such as surah nas and ayatul kursi) and making my emaan and islam firm.

We all know what the devil is capable of, Allah is most wise and he is extremely good at making us forget that.

This advise is only for muslims obviously, but I think its extremely important to have firm faith with topics which are so sensitive, Allah knows what kind of deviance one can so easily run into these days...



hope i made at least a bit of sense, just my thoughts on it

I understand, with such a controversial topic, you have to be careful in giving answers, if badly worded, or written in a way which isn't completely clear there is the risk of turning people away from Islam or at least giving them doubts about Islam in their minds.
Thanks for replying
:)
 
no probs, just with certain questions I have one or two people I will allow to answer if you know what I mean.

and one of these peolpe is someone who is constantly helping the orphans in third world countries, leaving every bit of dunya one can imagine to worship Allah and constantly studying the deen.

only someone of this level would I trust in regards to these issues because I got a feeling Allah ahs blessed them in such a way that they understand, truly understand, and can shed that onto us aswell coz we are constantly sinning..
 
This makes me wonder...
What of those slaves Muslim men are allowed to keep and use for sex [with their consent]....
Can they be used by more than one man at any given time? :ooh:

In short no, she is same as wife except that she did not enter the house through a marriage contract, no one is permitted to have relations with her except the man to whom she belongs, the only diff between her and wife is that the husband does not have the obligation of spreading his time equally and wealth, however in all other ways she's like his wife in that he must provide for her and treat her kindly, only he is allowed to be with her no one else, and if she gets pregnant by him, the children are recognised as his children and have all the rights that the children from his wife have etc.

If you read the below article, its very good I found.


Mu' meneen Brothers and Sisters, As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)

One of our brothers has asked this question:

I want to understand the concept of concubines in Islam. Somehow or other the concept is pushed under the rug, whenever I have to tried to bring it up at various places.

These are my concerns: Ø What is a concubine? Ø What is their status in a man’s life, esp a married person’s life? Ø What is the status of the offsprings of this relationship-- to the man, in their lives, wealth and will etc? Ø Does she have to be a muslima, or the religion in this relationship is not of concern? Ø How is this any different from the modern days concept of mistress/prostitution/adultery? A very authentic Hadith narrates that: Take care of whatever is in between your teeth (ie tounge) and whatever is in between your thighs and I promise you Jannah.” According to Sahih Bukhari Rasool Allah (saws) used to teach the young teenagers, that tell me and I will get you married to anyone you want, however do not do the Sin of Zinna. As per the above narrations it is quite obvious that the only kind of sexual relations acceptable in Islam are those of the married couples. But then time and time again I come to read the fact that Rasool Allah (saws) used to have one or two concubines too, aside from his 13 wives? This is very confusing, please explain.

(There may be some grammatical and spelling errors in the above statement. The forum does not change anything from questions, comments and statements received from our readers for circulation in confidentiality.)

ANSWER:

The concept of slave girls in Islam

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and who-ever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers. May Allah bless you and reward you for asking this question. It is true that a lot of people push this subject ‘under the rug’ and do not understand it or are sometimes ashamed of this concept. That is because, today’s society and behavior is absolutely different from the conditions prevalent 1400 years ago at the time of Revelation of the Quran. There is no place on earth where this concept is practiced today, thus to really understand the concept in its entirety, we must try to imagine the times of the Revelation of the Glorious Quran.

Since time immemorial, slavery was an accepted practice; thus it was not Islam that started this practice, but rather Islam was the first system to inculcate the freedom of slaves and take steps to make them equal citizens of society. Slavery was abolished in modern society only a couple of centuries ago, and was openly practiced in almost all parts of the civilized world even until the early 1900s. But Islam made it a virtue to free slaves, and inculcate them into society as equal citizens, almost 1400 years ago!

So, how did people (men and women) become slaves? There were several ways in earlier times how a free person would become a slave.

The already existent slaves and their offspring were also considered slaves. People used to steal children and then sell them as slaves in another place. One tribe would attack another tribe, kill the men, and take the women and children as slaves and then sell them as war-booty.

This practice was prevalent all over the world at the times, thus we must remember that Islam neither started it, nor encouraged it. Islam, in fact closed almost all the doors on how a free man becomes a slave, and in reality opened all the doors to free these slaves and make them responsible members in society. Islam was instrumental in eradicating slavery and made it a virtue and a means of reward from Allah to free slaves and inculcate them into society.

The Messenger of Allah (saws) declared it a sin to kidnap any free man, woman or child and make them slaves. After the wars, the Prophet (saws) used to exchange the Prisoners of War if both the warring parties agreed to it. If not, the captives were set free by taking a ransom for them. If the slaves or their families could not afford the ransom, most times the Prophet (saws) showed generosity and released them without any ransom. Only if none of the above were possible, and the captives had no place to return to, then these captives were made slaves and all efforts were taken to inculcate them into the existing Islamic Society.

In some instances, when the enemy was still at war, there was always a fear that if the Prisoners of War were released, they would go back and join their armies and attack the Muslims again. During these times, the Messenger of Allah (saws) allowed the prisoners to be taken as slaves as was the prevalent system of the times. Rather than put them in jail, the slaves were distributed to each household and they were responsible for the welfare of the slaves. The Messenger of Allah (saws) exhorted the believers to feed them what they ate themselves, and dress them in the clothes that they themselves dressed.

Thus, there arose a issue with the women who were captured as Prisoners of War, and were not exchanged, nor ransomed, nor had any place to return to. Most times the wars were with tribes, and whoever won these wars, the losing tribes were completely annihilated. Thus there was no place to send the Prisoners of War back to, and it became imperative that these people were inculcated within the society. Thus there were two choices left with the slave girls:

Leave them alone in society with no family and no protection.

Give them under the guardianship and protection of an existing family.

Option-1. Leave them alone in society with no family and no protection.

This would not have been a good option. There was obviously a fear that these women, who had absolutely no family and tribe to protect or feed them, would start immoral practices if left to fend for themselves. And because no one could determine their lineage, no honorable person at that time would marry them outright. And also it would not be right to just leave these women, who had absolutely no means, no family, and no protection in a foreign land.

Option-2 Give them under the guardianship of an existing family

The state would determine which slave girl to which household. Neither the people who received the slave girl, nor the slave girl had a choice. Whatever was allotted by the state was received by them. This was considered the best and novel system to eradicate slavery and accept the slaves as members of society. We must not try to imagine this system of distribution and acceptance in today’s society, but rather 1400 years at the time of the Prophet (saws). The training and discipline of the noble companions of the Prophet (saws), and the true Islamic society which was created in light of the Holy Quran and the guidance of the Messenger of Allah (saws) must be kept in view to get a full picture of the condition of the times.

Your comment: What is a concubine?

The slave girl that was allotted by the state to the respective household, thus became the consort of one member of the household. Only this person was allowed to have a sexual relationship with this slave girl. The difference between this person’s wife and the slave girl was that his wife came into his house through the proper marriage contract (Nikaah), and the slave girl was allotted by the state.

Your comment : What is their status in a man’s life, esp a married person’s life?

The status was like his wife. Only the person who was allotted the slave girl was allowed to have a sexual relationship with her. If the slave girl was allotted to the father, then the brothers or the sons had absolutely no right towards this girl. The other difference was that the Islamic law of equality of time and sustenance did not apply between the wives and the slave girl.

Your comment: What is the status of the offsprings of this relationship-- to the man, in their lives, wealth and will etc?

The children were exactly like the other children from the person’s legally wedded wife. They were to be given exactly the same rights as his other children. The children of the slave girl would inherit the property exactly as the other children. There was absolutely no difference amongst the children. And once any slave girl bore a child, she could not be sold to anybody else and thus became a permanent member of the household.

Your comment: Does she have to be a muslima, or the religion in this relationship is not of concern?

No, this slave girl did not have to be a Muslima. In fact, all the wars fought were between the Muslims and the non-believers, thus most of these slave girls were non-Muslims. But through this system of allocation, this woman was encompassed into Islamic society, and because of the behavior and character of the Muslims of the times, the woman, more often than not, would accept Islam.

Your comment: How is this any different from the modern days concept of mistress/prostitution/adultery?

There is a huge difference between the slave girls of those times and the system of prostitution which is so prevalent as a disease in today’s society.

The slave girl was a social issue of the times, which if not solved by Islam would give rise to adultery and prostitution. In prostitution, the woman sells here services for a fee to anyone who is willing to pay! The slave girl was taken into a household as a full member.

In prostitution, the woman has sexual relationships with many men! The slave girl would have sexual relations only with the person she was given to; very similar to the husband-wife relationship, the only difference being that the wife came into the house through a marriage contract, and the slave girl was allotted to the person by the state.

Prostitution is a result of illegal lust, and is a huge sin in the eyes of Allah. The allocation of slave girls was a issue of the times to envelope the woman taken as slaves in a war into the Islamic society.

Prostitution and adultery do not have any responsibility attached to it! The man- woman have a one-off relationship and depart. The slave girls were a responsibility of the person, who spent on them, gave them a place to live, fed them, clothed them, and raised their children as his children. The children from adultery and prostitution are regarded as born out of wedlock and grow up without the name and without the shadow of a father. The children of the slave girls were known as the children of the person, grew up with his other children, and had exactly the same rights and inheritance as the other offspring. The system of slave girls was accepted and respected by the Islamic society of the times. The slave girl was treated like his wife, and the children from these slave girls were treated like their children by society. No religion, no state, no moral society accepts and respects the institutions of prostitution and adultery. This is a disease of society and every moral society has tried to eradicate this disease with little success.

Again, I reiterate that this system of slaves was not started by Islam, but was prevalent in the society in those times. Islam tried to encompass the slaves into Islamic society and gave them the respect and honor of being equal members and citizens of society. Almost all the doors and ways of creating new slaves were closed, and several options were created to free these slaves and entwine them into the Islamic society. It was considered a virtue in Islam to free slaves and a means of great reward from Allah Subhanah. Islam created a society whereby the compensation for repentance for many sins like murder, breaking of promises, missing of fasts, etc. was the freeing of slaves. In this way, Islam created an environment whereby slaves were made free and allowed to inculcate themselves into the normal Islamic society. We must be careful not to look into this ‘slave-girls’ issue in isolation, but rather look at the whole picture of the Islamic society at the time of the Messenger of Allah (saws). The training, the discipline, the character, and the morals of the noble companions was a direct result of their association and teachings and guidance of the Prophet (saws) himself. The values and degree of ‘Taqwa’ (God consciousness) and the love for the promised Paradise was so great amongst the noble companions of the Messenger of Allah (saws), that the system of justice and morality of the times just cannot be compared to today’s un-Godly times! One must not compare the slaves in Islam to the slaves taken by the modern colonists, who captured any free man in sight in the occupied territories like Africa, chained them and shipped them to their countries and treated them worse than animals! Among the slaves of Islam were people of stature like Hadrat Bilaal (r.a.), Hadrat Ammar bin Yasser (r.a.), Hadrat Salman al Faarsi (r.a.) and Hadrat Zaid bin Haritha(r.a.), the freed slave and adopted son of the Messenger of Allah (saws) himself. The status of Hadrat Zaid bin Haritha (r.a.) is such that he is the only companion of the Prophet (saws) who is mentioned by name by Allah in the Holy Quran. Thus the concept and picture of the slavery as practiced by the west, is absolutely different from the concept of slaves in Islam!

Your comment: But then time and time again I come to read the fact that Rasool Allah (saws) used to have one or two concubines too, aside from his 13 wives?

The Messenger of Allah (saws) had 11 wives in total during his lifetime, and the most wives he had at any one time were nine. Some of the allotted captives of war and slave girls, became his noble wives and received the title and honor of being called the ‘mother of the believers’ by Allah Himself in the Holy Quran. Amongst them was Hadrat Saffiyyah, who was a Jew. She was allotted to the Prophet (saws) as a slave girl, converted to Islam and was married to the Messenger of Allah (saws). Another of his wives who came as a slave and was allotted to the Prophet (saws) was Hadrat Jawarriyah (r.a.) from the tribe of Banu Haris. She too converted to Islam and was married to the Messenger of Allah (saws). He also had a couple of slaves girls whom he did not marry, like Hadrat Maria Kibtia and Hadrat Rehaana, for reasons best known to Allah and His Messenger (saws). But the scholars are unanimous in their opinion that the Messenger of Allah (saws) treated them with love and respect exactly like his other wives. And even after the death of the Prophet (saws), these slave girls of the Prophet (saws) did not marry anybody else like his wives, and they were respected by the muslims in the same honor as the other wives of the Prophet (saws).

And Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

May Allah guide you and us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,

Burhan
 
Maybe Islam teaches that masters should be respectful to their slaves but do you honestly think that always happened? That a man didn't sleep with his slave simply because he could or women were't just kidnapped to be sold to hareems? You say Islamic slavery was different from those that shipped slaves off the America but that's not true. Muslims used to raid non-Muslim areas and round up people to sell in the same way other groups did. These people were sold by Muslims slave merchants for profit, not for protection or anything of the sort. Do you think the girls were happy with their new life shipped to foreign lands and sold to men who had the "right" to sleep with them?

Slavery is wrong no matter what and Muslims were guilty of kidnapping people to for profit, they didn't find homeless people who skipped merrily into their homes and beds. Why try to justify slavery just because Muslims took part in taking slaves? Pretty much all races and cultures have been guilty of it.
 
منوة الخيال;1540051 said:
Care to back that up from a reputable history source?
This is a summary from wikipedia (yes, I know it's wikipedia is not a source itself, but it gives a rough picture):

‘Historians estimate that between 10 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900. The term Arab when used in historical documents often represented a cultural term rather than a "racial" term, and many of the "Arab" slave traders such as Tippu Tip and others were indistinguishable from the "Africans" whom they enslaved and sold. Due to the nature of the Arab slave trade it is also impossible to be precise about actual numbers. Additionally, approximately 11 million African slaves were taken to the Americas. Likewise, more than 2 million Africans died on the ship before reaching the destinations in the Arab world, therefore the slave traders would obtain the same amount of Africans in order to make up for the loss.

To a smaller degree, Arabs also enslaved Europeans. According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary corsairs, who were vassals of the Ottoman Empire, and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries. These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland. The impact of these attacks was devastating – France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. Pirate raids discouraged settlement along the coast until the 19th century.’


Are you saying this trade did not exist? It is massively documented by contemporary eyewitness accounts, let alone historians. Even in my own country (Ireland), far from the Barbary coast, the entire population of the village of Baltimore was abducted by Barbary pirates. The fate of the male European slaves was often the galleys, which was a hard and short life. The fate of the women is not to be imagined.
 
This is a summary from wikipedia

I said a reliable historical source of the 'mal treatment' & the islamic allowance of that to take place!
NOT a secondary opinion upon which a tertiary opinion is built.

best,
 
Are you saying this trade did not exist? It is massively documented by contemporary eyewitness accounts, let alone historians.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Muslims never ever had slaves.

But since it's so massively documented then please do share one of these authentic sources with us so we can read. I didn't see anything from the wikipedia mumbo jumbo you posted above that said anything about the harsh treatment of slaves either as is being implied here. Thanks.
 
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I don't think anyone here is saying that Muslims never ever had slaves.

Indeed per thread title!
LauraS is only too happy to distort the events and come up with her own brand of how we loved to kidnap slaves etc.
Islam came upon people who were already into slave trade and the verses in the Quran speak clearly not only of good treatment but also the gradual abolition of slavery!
you know what they say about opinions? they're like assholes everyone has one, there's no reason to actually be one and there's no shortage of those on the web!
 
Maybe Islam teaches that masters should be respectful to their slaves but do you honestly think that always happened? That a man didn't sleep with his slave simply because he could or women were't just kidnapped to be sold to hareems? You say Islamic slavery was different from those that shipped slaves off the America but that's not true. Muslims used to raid non-Muslim areas and round up people to sell in the same way other groups did. These people were sold by Muslims slave merchants for profit, not for protection or anything of the sort. Do you think the girls were happy with their new life shipped to foreign lands and sold to men who had the "right" to sleep with them?

Slavery is wrong no matter what and Muslims were guilty of kidnapping people to for profit, they didn't find homeless people who skipped merrily into their homes and beds. Why try to justify slavery just because Muslims took part in taking slaves? Pretty much all races and cultures have been guilty of it.

1. Actually, in contrast to the west, in Muslim nations, Slaves were generally protected by the law.


What was notably different from the slavery of the western world, however, was the degree to which they [slaves] were protected by Muslim law. When the law was observed, their treatment was good. They might expect to marry and have families of their own, and they had a good chance of being freed. There were also built in avenues of escape. - Gwyn Campbell; Frank Cass, The Structure of Slavery in Indian Ocean Africa and Asia, 2004
What this meant was, unlike in western slave trade, the slave in Muslim countries wasn't chained up, locked in a room or restricted to remain in a single area. They were able to freely move around and gain recognition within the general community. At any given moment they had the power to go a religious police or Qadi (judge) to complain about their problems and seek justice.

2. What you're referring to, (if it's even true, I havn't really delved into this area) would've occured in the latter part of Islamic history. Certainly, as far as I've seen, none of the early Islamic conquests had any intention of "enslaving people for profits".

People were generally given the choice of; conversion, protected dhimmi (which most chose), or fight till death/risk of capture. In capture, they knew that they may be free'd, allowed dhimmi, executed (though this is exercised in extreme circumstances) or become slaves (it just depended).

That's not to say people weren't enslaved (those that fought /refused their options and got captured were), but it certainly had its reasons for happening. A little context taken into account here as well -


It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle - Roger DuPasquier. Unveiling Islam. Islamic Texts Society, 1992, p. 104
 
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I never said the slaves were treated harshly, neither did I say Muslims love to kidnap people. I just pointed out that slave traders raided towns to take slaves and sail them back to Muslim lands, just as western countries did in Africa. Are you saying you had never heard of this or that unless there's a source you approve of you don't believe it? Wikipedia might not be a great source but no one sat to write a big false article about the slave trade for the fun of it. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.*****************/articl...hite-european-slaves-by-the-barbary-corsairs/

http://www.theglobaldispatches.com/articles/afro-turks
 
Are you saying you had never heard of this or that unless there's a source you approve of you don't believe it? Wikipedia might not be a great source but no one sat to write a big false article about the slave trade for the fun of it. Here are a couple of links:

You sound angry, Laura. Calm down. As a film student this type of thing is not good for your objectivity. It's not good to imply things that other people didn't say but I am glad you posed these questions for clarification. What you wrote did imply that the slaves weren't treated right by Muslims. You reasoned that only because a few Muslims might not have followed the rules set in place for Muslim slaves. And because of that slaves were treated no different than in Western countries. That is not true. To err is human.

And yes. The right sources are important when taking our information about historical facts. I wouldn't write a paper about a historical event and expect to get an A on it if my sources were a bunch of blogs written by crackpots and racists.

Thank you for these links.
 
منوة الخيال;1540068 said:
I said a reliable historical source of the 'mal treatment' & the islamic allowance of that to take place!
NOT a secondary opinion upon which a tertiary opinion is built.

As I said, I used the wikipedia quote because it is a quick summary of the subject, not a source in itself. We are talking about a trade covering more than 1000 years across huge geographical areas in Europe, Africa and the Middle East - the bibliography would be massive. This is a history of bad men who were Muslims, it doesn't need to reflect on Islam itself if men did not follow Islamic rules. Nevertheless the numbers of slaves were very large, so we're not talking one or two bad apples by any means.

Since I was asked, I have found a few verbatim descriptions from three 18th century victims (called Gramaye, Struys and Foss) who were seized by Barbary pirates:

Gramaye describes how, when the ship is first seized, individual passengers are beaten for information about who could be ransomed: “in such cases, the bastinado begins to stir about upon the Posteriors of such as are suspected.” Canes may be used on the stomach too, “almost enough to break the kidneys”. They were then “chained together in heaps, and thrust up like Herrings in the bottome of the ship, to be kept for the Butherie or Market”.

Jan Struys describes how within minutes of his capture: “they put me in a Galley, stript off my Robes, shaved my head, and set me to an Oar, which was work enough for six of us to tug at.”

Foss says new slaves had to “creep in, upon our hands and knees,” into their cabin prison, where they couldn’t sleep because “such quantities of…vermine, such as lice, bugs and fleas“. Just as in the Atlantic slave trade, many prisoners died of the conditions before they even reached port. If so they were “Thrown into the sea without the slightest regard”.
 

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