Why do a majority of people who represent Islam go off on crazy protests and riots?

[Samkurd]

I dont understand it. Isnt the foundation of Islam based on PEACE? Why is it, a muslim like me can sit here and be indifferent to other peoples opinions and keep a calm state of mind about my religion while on the other hand thousands of muslims take so much offense and are highly sensitive to things like the recent movie that sparked off the US embassy killings?

Sorry, but i watched today on the news the Central London protests over the anti-islamic movie and it got me so mad. Immature things like burning the USA flag and holding signs telling Americans to get out of "Muslim lands"....

If muslims who agree with such behavior (clearly a lot who represent my religion do) then how do you expect people to show you any amount of respect?

Its like when two children fight. One starts name calling and words are exchanged until it gets physical. The true respectable person is the mature one who can keep his peace of mind and have security in knowing who they are as a person to not be affected by words, and remain indifferent to others opinions about them.

Why is the first reaction of an anti-islamic film to go and kill Americans? Is this really what you want to show the whole world what Islam is? Its like waving fresh meat in front of a shark behind bars. They want you to go mad and you fall for it every time.

Personally, i would love to see the film and what its trying to portray about Islam. Its interesting to see different peoples opinions whether they try humiliate you or not. If you get offended then you have an insecurity about your religion. Perhaps if it really is such a ludicrous film, you could make a better movie to counter act that in a peaceful informative way. NOT GO AND START RIOTING AND KILLING PEOPLE!

Its so irritating for me to keep seeing the same reactions happening over and over again. I honestly think a lot of the muslim community need to stop being so sensitive.

Whether the movie was a provoked attack or not, rioting and murdering is NOT going to solve ANYTHING, in fact, it makes things MUCH worse.

Do you really believe in your hearts that by behaving like this people are going to see eye to eye with you? Why cant these muslims who behave like this just sit back and get on with whatever they were doing?

It really annoys me because Islam is meant to be so peaceful yet although you may think things such as movies tarnish the reputation of Islam, going out and rioting and violently protesting as well as killing tarnishes Islam's reputation to outsiders 100 times more.

 

[جوري]

People are free to express themselves in the matter of their choosing. Those who killed are one or two individuals and no one is condoning the killing (although let's face it) the U.S droned just a bunch of women in Afghanistan in their quest for 'terrorists' So I don't understand why you're so upset by people exercising a form of acceptable 'free speech' riots break out even in the civilized west all the time.. you ought to follow the wall street movement and read up a bit on recent history..
Islam isn't about 'peace' neither is it about 'war' it is about submitting ones will to Allah swt. The five pillars upon which Islam was founded don't include 'peace' and at any rate a pillar holds something else and the something else covers many facets!

 

[Muezzin]

I doubt anyone posting on this forum was rioting, but it's good to get that off your chest.

 

[Muhammad]

:salamext:

A brother posted this table earlier, showing it is actually a great minority of people who do these things:

It is the people involved in such riots to whom these questions need to be addressed. The rest of us have not condoned them:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134315152-innocent-muslims-move-causes-outrage.html


Even Muslims in those countries themselves have held counter-protests and condemned such actions:

Protests have been held in Benghazi condemning the attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19593578


I agree with much of what you've written. Muslims do have a right to be upset and angry, but such acts of violence are definitely not the way to deal with it. It goes against the teachings of Islam and serves to tarnish Islam even more.

 

[Muezzin]

Also, if you do want to watch this 'film' (it's really badly made and an insult to movies which required effort to make), it's on YouTube.

 

[Samkurd]

I doubt anyone posting on this forum was rioting, but it's good to get that off your chest.

Its nice that you're trying to be really condescending.

 

[جوري]

Its nice that you're trying to be really condescending.

I don't find his post condescending and I am pro condescension delivered in a comedic fashion. At any rate isn't that exactly what you're doing here? lashing out at forummers for what you're watching on TV while venting out your anger? Why is stating the obvious so upsetting to you? furthermore, what sort of reply are you hoping for here just because the media chooses the most unflattering images to display?

 

[Samkurd]

I don't find his post condescending and I am pro condescension delivered in a comedic fashion. At any rate isn't that exactly what you're doing here? lashing out at forummers for what you're watching on TV while venting out your anger? Why is stating the obvious so upsetting to you? furthermore, what sort of reply are you hoping for here just because the media chooses the most unflattering images to display?

Yes i may have been condescending but I was stating my thoughts, not in a patronizing way like Muezin. Where did i specifically mention forummers? I specifically said "muslims who agree with such behavior".

 

[Hulk]

I really don't think he was trying to be condescending.. Your post was obviously directed at those who rioted and he said he doesn't think anyone on the forum were part of the riots so thats why he said at least you got it off your chest.

 

[Samkurd]

I really don't think he was trying to be condescending.. Your post was obviously directed at those who rioted and he said he doesn't think anyone on the forum were part of the riots so thats why he said at least you got it off your chest.

But i never implied any people on these forums were rioting nor was i directing it at the people on these forums. Like i said i specificially said "muslims who agree with such behavior". I dont know why you guys keep saying its directed against people on this forum?

 

[جوري]

Yes i may have been condescending but I was stating my thoughts, not in a patronizing way like Muezin. Where did i specifically mention forummers? I specifically said "muslims who agree with such behavior".

Ok, fair enough, but you did bring this grievance to the forum, which begs the question of what it is you were hoping for? If we testify anything for Muezzin is that he's one of the mellowest folks on the forum. I often wondered what it would take to ignite him. I have only seen him p***ed twice or so since 2006 so I am really not sure where you're coming from?

 

[جوري]

Why do a majority of people who represent Islam go off on crazy protests and riots?

". I dont know why you guys keep saying its directed against people on this forum?

I don't know something about the title gave it away.. We represent Islam and you've made a point to write 'Majority' which Muhammad dispelled so it was the natural conclusion..

 

[Samkurd]

Ok, fair enough, but you did bring this grievance to the forum, which begs the question of what it is you were hoping for? If we testify anything for Muezzin is that he's one of the mellowest folks on the forum. I often wondered what it would take to ignite him. I have only seen him pissed twice or so since 2006 so I am really not sure where you're coming from?

grievance? but its in the news and hugely to do with islam so i thought it would be appropriate here? I was looking for other peoples views on why it sparks such immediate violence.

 

[Muezzin]

Its nice that you're trying to be really condescending.

No condescension intended. I was, however, trying to be lighthearted. Evidently that has caused a misunderstanding, for which I apologise. In your original post you used the word 'you' (E.g. 'Do you really believe in your hearts that by behaving like this people are going to see eye to eye with you?'), so I thought you were referring to members of this forum.

Plus, listen to the members above. Wouldn't hurt a fly, me.

 

[Scimitar]

I understand where the brother is coming from.

I feel the same way he does. Good OP.

Scimi

EDIT: Muezzin - Bat-Mod, without the gadgets, or the chip on the shoulder or that grumpy voice

 

[جوري]

grievance? but its in the news and hugely to do with islam so i thought it would be appropriate here? I was looking for other peoples views on why it sparks such immediate violence.

violence only broke out in Libya for whatever reason. Some contend it was pro Qaddaffi folks exacting their revenge. I don't see anything wrong with a protest otherwise. We haven't done anything shameful to want to hide, westerners are just angry, they'd prefer to drone us in silence and pass it off as anti this and anti that.. those folks on the street are also expressing themselves. Maybe you don't approve of their style but it is a form of free speech!

 

[Hulk]

No condescension intended. I was, however, trying to be lighthearted. Evidently that has caused a misunderstanding, for which I apologise. In your original post you used the word 'you' (E.g. 'Do you really believe in your hearts that by behaving like this people are going to see eye to eye with you?'), so I thought you were referring to members of this forum.

Plus, listen to the members above. Wouldn't hurt a fly, me.

You are the moderator that this forum deserves.

 

[sister herb]

You come here telling your opinions and get proper answers. What is your problem now? Would you expected that we here start to support rioting and you get good fight?

Sorry that we gave you disappointment. ;D

 

[Scimitar]

Sorry sister Bluebell, you know I got a lot of respect for you here on IB.

But I have to express my disagreement with you on this one.

I think all Muslim protests should be banned under shariah law. And I justify this with the fact that every Muslim protest so far, has not fruited in a positive way, or led to any positive outcome. Some might cite the example of Egypt as an exception to the rule here, but I don't believe that Egypt is a good example either.

If you can name me just one example of a Muslim protest that yeilded a positive result, I may be forced to do a you-turn on my opinion.

If anything, in every Muslim protest I have seen, I have been embarrassed for the Muslims. Especially the protests that Muslims engage in non Muslim lands... those are the worst in my opinion.

Remember this show of idiocy? :

or how about that complete idiot who turned up to a protest like a suicide bomber?

Look at the chants that some of these protesters shout - are these Islamic? In the nature of Peace? NO... THEY ARE NOT.

We don't have the foggiest idea on how to protest "PEACEFULLY". We're a bunch of idiots like that. And that is the bottom line.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

Sorry sister Bluebell, you know I got a lot of respect for you here on IB.

But I have to express my disagreement with you on this one.

I didn't say go out there and protest, I am however very quizzical of allowing clear hate speech as a form of 'free speech' yet vilifying and 'radicalizing' that other form which actually came to us courtesy of the west as far as I can tell and hence the saying of Umar RA '' If Allah wants for people ill, he gives them debates and takes away from them actions''
obviously taking to the streets with banners does very little to anyone or anything.. I didn't even care for the diapered ghandi peaceful marches against the British, as he basically offered them up for sacrifice. Once the people have been mobilized emotionally there will be no going back to inertia it is just a natural physical law even if you don't like the outcome. So it isn't about whether or not what they're doing is right or wrong, it is their right to do so no matter how misdirected. My obvious desire is instead of taking to the streets they sit down unite and do something else, but they haven't been training for that have they? They like to watch TV, eat junk and go out on the streets in hopes that it would take care of their misdirected anger issues..

now if you'll excuse me I need some sugar!