"Innocence of Muslims" movie causes outrage

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Asalaamu Alaikum,


Heard MB were going to organize a million man march, but cancelled due to violence fears.
 
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HizbuAllah is basically trying to assert its presence and its endorsement for the Syrian regime.. Everyone is playing some body else..
I feel very frustrated that these marches are misdirected .. but as the fellow speaker said. Insulting the prophet is not a small thing and we won't make light of it.

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منوة الخيال;1541067 said:
And you're suggesting no media coverage for Breivik?
No but one that treats him as he deserved. The media and authorities did a farily good job at it. They did not display him in the way he wanted to be seen nor did they give him the time to go on his public rants whenever he wanted. The coverage of his underlying delusional preachings was also very limit such as it was supposed to be.
Alternatively they could have in detail laid out his writings and diaries. Let him talk and broadcast it in the public hearings. Analyzed and explained his philosophy in detail. Instead he was displayed the deranged individual that he was not worth listening to and no point trying to understand his motives.
منوة الخيال;1541067 said:
That movie had one quite obvious purpose and it did more than just reach its goal.
The movies goals were going to be met under any circumstance!
I don't see how. It was made some few months ago. I looked at the trailer on youtube and I seriously doubt anybody who stumbles on it could handle more than 20 seconds of this clip. Nobody in the West would have taken note of it and nobody in the arabic world if people hadn't put it on any blog and newsletter.
Even once it shows up on ones radar for the life of me I cannot understand why it is not just dismissed as an embarrassingly dumb attempt of insult. Everybody in his life comes across things, people and opinions that are so ridiculous they are worth a moments attention. It is one thing about some in your face activism like protesting in front of a building but on the other side of the world some guy can always be found that prints something hateful, the wise thing is to ignore it.
Don't feed the troll as the old usenet wisdom says.
منوة الخيال;1541067 said:
If anything this success will encourage more of the same. Just like there will always be some neo-nazis in some corner, there will always be some intolerant extremists that want their own preaching to make waves.
To every action there's a reaction, hopefully the reaction will make them think twice the next time!
Not sure you are getting my point. The reaction is the one sought after. It is not a discouragement it is encouraging.

Assuming an inverse example. You have a novel idea for a fund raiser for poor children. It spreads virally and money comes in like crazy. When the next project comes along will you try a different strategy or keep with what has worked before.

منوة الخيال;1541067 said:
The producer is actually undergoing criminal proceedings as all criminals should!
people who watch the movie (and they're free to do so) will know they're of the same class as the producer, he's actually wanted on several charges and was under house arrest before the movie itself. I don't think anyone sees him as a hero unless like minded twits!
He was only questions and admitted that he used the web which was against his parole regulations. That is not a huge crime and might not have any consequences at all or very limited ones. If he goes back to prison it would be for other things like maybe he defrauded some of the financiers of the movie. I don't believe it did cost 5 mio. I have only seen 30 sec though.
That some will see him as hero regardless is the problem though like minded will see him as a hero and any consequence on parol violation will only be seen as some act of martyrdom.
The rest of the so called west don't support nor care about that film, it is mostly just stunned disbelieve and resignation.
 
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No but one that treats him as he deserved. The media and authorities did a farily good job at it. They did not display him in the way he wanted to be seen nor did they give him the time to go on his public rants whenever he wanted. The coverage of his underlying delusional preachings was also very limit such as it was supposed to be.
Alternatively they could have in detail laid out his writings and diaries. Let him talk and broadcast it in the public hearings. Analyzed and explained his philosophy in detail. Instead he was displayed the deranged individual that he was not worth listening to and no point trying to understand his motives.
The media played it very well actually as it is indeed a game to be played. He wasn't christian/fundie/crusader per their definition-No! he was a singular guy who was concerned about the rise of 'Islamism' at the end of the day he ended up with nicer accommodations than I had in grad. school. So again your point is? Media especially the western one likes dramas and active creation. It is never about passive transmission of events. It's made to make you react one or the other!
I don't see how. It was made some few months ago. I looked at the trailer on youtube and I seriously doubt anybody who stumbles on it could handle more than 20 seconds of this clip. Nobody in the West would have taken note of it and nobody in the arabic world if people hadn't put it on any blog and newsletter.
Even once it shows up on ones radar for the life of me I cannot understand why it is not just dismissed as an embarrassingly dumb attempt of insult. Everybody in his life comes across things, people and opinions that are so ridiculous they are worth a moments attention. It is one thing about some in your face activism like protesting in front of a building but on the other side of the world some guy can always be found that prints something hateful, the wise thing is to ignore it.
Don't feed the troll as the old usenet wisdom says.
The movie was made to be released on 911 with one purpose in mind and purpose is fulfilled. If you're delusional to believe that this was just one turd showing us how he forms his defecate, then you're sadly mistaken. It was calculated all around. If you don't see how then you don't see how. Nothing can be done about that!

Not sure you are getting my point. The reaction is the one sought after. It is not a discouragement it is encouraging.
Indeed.
He was only questions and admitted that he used the web which was against his parole regulations. That is not a huge crime and might not have any consequences at all or very limited ones. If he goes back to prison it would be for other things like maybe he defrauded some of the financiers of the movie. I don't believe it did cost 5 mio. I have only seen 30 sec though.

Your point with this being? to detract from his previous or current criminality? I don't understand!

best,
 
Sayyad Hassan Nasrallah delivers a speech condemning the film and deliberate attempt to insult our religion and our beloved Nabi (Infinite peace and blessings be upon him). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky8F7WCbPVA May Allah Subhana Wata Ala preserve Sayyad Hassan Nasrallah and strengthen the resolve of the Lebanese people, Ameen..Ameen.
 
What is clear to everyone now is that there is no such thing as freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is defined by those who are in control of governments and media.

Youtube (owned by Google) only blocked access to the vile film in majority muslim countries but refused to take out the film outright from their sites.
Can you imagine if there is a film that claim jewish holocaust was a hoax and posted on youtube? Google would have removed it in a heartbeat.

Google claimed they abide by their holy phylosophy "do no evil", but cannot even see how protecting a film like this is truly evil.
 
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If the man wanted to discuss aspects of Muhammad’s life, it should be done in a respectful manner.

Doing it this way does not achieve anything.

Are you even serious?

Muslims do not expect non-muslims to discuss the life of prophet Muhammad SAW in respectful manner (as it seems too much to hope for), but the least non-muslims can do is to not paint lies.
 
Youtube (owned by Google) only blocked access to the vile film in majority muslim countries but refused to take out the film outright from their sites.
There was an in fact an excellent Islamic historical movie made which they took off immediately for offending 'Jewish sensibilities' I forgot the name of it.. but this one they can't take down.. tfouh 3lyhim and etfouh on their 'freedom of speech' they're only free to defecate and expect that we look at it and applaud. thaklat'houm umahatihim wa'illa jouhnamma wa'bes almaseer in shaa Allah!
 
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The problem is that it only takes A FEW people to rise to the provocation, and then it snowballs quite quickly.
I have been VERY encouraged by the counter-protests, declaring that these actions have NOTHING to do with Islam!

http://descrier.co.uk/world/2012/09/libya-the-killings-do-not-represent-benghazi-or-islam/


May Allah Bless these Muslims!
 
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This filmmaker is naught but a big time instigator.
Oh, how we need Muslims to both condemn both the film and the violent reactions.

One poster mentioned that although his "film" was legal in the US by the 1st ammendment, it was nevertheless immoral. I concur.

No one can have made this believing it historically accurate. It is a piece of cheap farce meant to incite aggravation. (I've seen parts of it).
 
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Are you even serious?

Muslims do not expect non-muslims to discuss the life of prophet Muhammad SAW in respectful manner (as it seems too much to hope for), but the least non-muslims can do is to not paint lies.

Well actually, it's not a matter of whether we "expect it" or not. They are free to discuss and study Islam at their leisure, and we must allow them that. What they shouldn't do, is mock what they read, because it infringes on the Universal Decleration of Human Rights - according to their own standards.

By the way, the UDHR was based on the Prophet pbuh last sermon.

I have seen documentaries about Islam made by non Muslims which I've really liked, for example "Empire of Faith" - that is one of my faves akhi.

Scimi
 
I can't believe Nasrallah gave that speech. What a ridiculous man. He's a bigger instigator than the man that made the movie. He brainwashes the people little by little until they're convinced that America is the bad guy. Sorry buddy but you're greatly mistaken. He's singlehandedly tearing lebanon (as well as a bunch of other countries) apart and creating tension between shia and sunni. The scumbag is nothing but a warlord. I can't believe no one has taken him off his high horse yet.
 
America is the bad guy (I didn't hear his speech though) and don't care to. Any victory to Syria's free army and in shaa Allah it is coming- will spill the end of Iran's grip on the region and the HizbAllah dweebs along with it. They're far better prepared than sunnis though.. perhaps we shouldn't not simply pray for victory but also work for it.
 
Perhaps? PERHAPS? you think Allah is dishing out freebies to unworthy peeps? Ofcourse we have to work for it.

Scimi
 
Can't believe I dozed off during the live telecast of a talk at Zaytuna just now..
 
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Nobody in 'the west' kills others for making a film, writing or publishing a book, drawing cartoons, accusing a mentally retarded little girl in Pakistan of burning the Koran or any such nonsense. We are not "offended" merely by the opinions of others to the point of killing for it. Western nutcases do commit terrible crimes (McVeigh, Breivik) but not normally for religious motives, extremist or not. It's because their minds are broken and they cannot think logically and reasonably. Or they are plainly insane.

Nobody? Not even the US government?

Do you think it OK that the US ambassador & his staff were murdered when he had nothing to do with (and was likely unaware of) that film? This after the USA and NATO had been asked and helped get rid of the mass murderer Gaddafi?
What a way to say thanks!

Do you think it is OK that US military/agents killed hundreds of thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Saddam/Osama/Khomeini etc?
 
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Do you think that atheists are innocent when mass murder people? If so, remember Stalin who murdered over 20 million.
 

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