"Innocence of Muslims" movie causes outrage

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Jedi_Mindset said:
It isnt speculation when you know by who the film got funded and which organizations and the not knowing the names of the director of this film.
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How do you know? The only information we have here at the minute is that an Egyptian-American is suspected.

منوة الخيال;1540849 said:
I assure you whether the Zionists/CIA were responsible for this or not, we won't have a favorable idea of them!
Make no mistake they're the enemy!
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Every Jew is your enemy?

Sounds a lot like someone saying "All Muslims are terrorists", doesn't it?
 
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observer said:
Every Jew is your enemy?
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Does Zionist equal Jew in your book?


observer said:
Sounds a lot like someone saying "All Muslims are terrorists", doesn't it?
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Should this statement have some sort of effect on me? in exchange of accepting that Zionists/CIA/IDF are the good guys I get to curb the 'all' in that statement? I am not personally interested in semantics!
 
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منوة الخيال;1540854 said:
Does Zionist equal Jew in your book?
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Fair point, I stand corrected.

To whom does "Zionist" refer?

منوة الخيال;1540854 said:
Should this statement have some sort of effect on me? in exchange of accepting that Zionists/CIA/IDF are the good guys I get to curb the 'all' in that statement? I am not personally interested in semantics!
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It's not a semantics issue at all, I was referring to the danger of a catch-all statement -but as I accept above, I believe I have misunderstood you, for which I apologize.
 
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I'm not against people protesting, but there is so much violence. O_O To a certain extent, I am fed up. The more they protest, the more publicity this film receives. I didn't even know the film exists until these protests. I wish I didn't know in the first place.
 
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observer said:
Fair point, I stand corrected.

To whom does "Zionist" refer?
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It is very easy to look that up but here's the JEWISH definition if you're interested!
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html



It's not a semantics issue at all, I was referring to the danger of a catch-all statement -but as I accept above, I believe I have misunderstood you, for which I apologize.
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I am willing to live with that danger than sway from my principles and what I understand and know to be truth!

best,
 
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Tragic Typos said:
To others it may appear speculation. How about you cast their doubts away and present evidence...evidence that directly links the film to these organistions or individuals.
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Well, considering that PSYOPS like this happened in the past too, like salman rushdie, the danish cartoons and the terry jones case (terry jones is a mormon supported by the CIA, read more about him please)

Who the director is of this film is a mystery, they only know the producer name nakoula, who was convicted of fraud, drugs trafficking and worked hand in hand with FBI.

However this is still a fresh case and there isnt enough evidence for it but the movie got funded by anti-islam figures and organizations like terry jones and his group, joseph nasrallah and so on.

The ones who benefit from it most are most likely the perpetrators of it.

The director of the film is still a mystery and this will give many doubts wether the film was just amateur movie produced by some fools. this was cleverly planned and played out.
 
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Yeah, the movie is on YouTube and is pretty awful (it's got all the love and attention of 'Scary Movie 72: Does Anyone Actually Watch This Tripe')

I find this lackadasical approach to it almost as offensive as the filmmaker's intent - if you're going to be a complete moron, at least put some effort into it.
 
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KAding said:
Just to clarify: who would benefit from making an amateurish movie like this?
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The same folks who would benefit from spreading the rumor that the newly appointed Egyptian chief of staff 'wazir al'arkan' has been forced from his position. 'All is fair in war' I suppose and war comes in many different forms. Question is to be educated and 5 steps if not 20 steps ahead of the enemy not two steps behind. Asking dumb questions only benefits those dense in the mind and of course the enemy- we don't need to dot the i's and cross the t's for you.. probably if you were honest with yourself you'd have that answer already. Everything that comes out including the timing of it be it '911' or an 'election year' is part of the variables in the big equation!

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I'm seeing more and more people saying that we should make a big deal about this video. People PLEASE stop and think! The more of a big deal we make right now the more the world will disrespect and spread blasphemy about Sayidina Mohammad SAWS. It's like telling a little kid that just learned the F word NOT to say it! He's gunna run around for a whole week screaming it at the top of his lungs. This is not a time to be on the defensive...most people will never understand how close we are to our religion. I mean look how they depict Prophet Jesus (AS) in sarcastic comedies! They make toy Jesus's and sell them at Walmart! But that is normal for them, nothing out of the ordinary. Which is why they don't understand. We should be continually spreading the message of our Prophet, not only in times where Islam is in the news. We should spend times like this strengthening our Iman and learning more and more about our religion.
 
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Muezzin said:
Yeah, the movie is on YouTube and is pretty awful (it's got all the love and attention of 'Scary Movie 72: Does Anyone Actually Watch This Tripe')

I find this lackadasical approach to it almost as offensive as the filmmaker's intent - if you're going to be a complete moron, at least put some effort into it.
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I had no intentions of going out of my way to finding this film, but my husband showed me a few minutes of it.

I agree with you that the film is utterly, UTTERLY ridiculous - to the point that it is so laughable that I cannot take it seriously at all.
If the media coverage was not overwhelmed by footage of the violent protests by now and the world could judge the film by it's own standards, rather than the violent responses it lead to, then the stupidity and ignorance of the film makers would very quickly be exposed.

Gee, I am not a Muslim, but even I could refute the ridiculous claims the film makes in 5 seconds flat!
 
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That worked, Vision.
beautiful message. I am especially fond of Habib Ali al Jifri.

Are these direct responses by the three speakers to the present protests? Or is it a compilation of previous talks which fit the present situation?

I like the hadith at 4:30. What an example!
 
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Man if only the video had Br Nouman hehe. Oh and sis Glo it's footage from previous lectures I've seen the one with Sh Hamza Yusuf before.
 
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glo said:
That worked, Vision.
beautiful message. I am especially fond of Habib Ali al Jifri.

Are these direct responses by the three speakers to the present protests? Or is it a compilation of previous talks which fit the present situation?

I like the hadith at 4:30. What an example!
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Excellent. Yes, Habib Ali Jifri is indeed an exceptional Scholar..he never fails in making me smile. The speakers are responding to past protests though relevant to recent events. Hadith was an eye opener and it just goes to show how ignorant these protesters really are of their own religion.
 
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i myself am against the socalled right to freedom of speech. This right has limits. However, islam as a religion has nothing to do with any form of injustice verbally, physically and its just. people on the other hand do whatever they want and so the idea of judging islam by the people is incorrect.



David, do you know what is islam? Do you want to know what islam is? Have you read the quran translation from a reliable source such as quran.com qtafsir.com if not, read the Quran. There you will find the answers to many if not all your questions if you desire answers from islam. dont go to the people first go to the source and find out then, if you still dont understand ask those of true knowledge. peace
 
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Tragic Typos said:
The media? :/ They have something "controversial" to report.
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منوة الخيال;1540894 said:
Everything that comes out including the timing of it be it '911' or an 'election year' is part of the variables in the big equation!
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It just does not sound very convincing. Someone ('the media', Mossad, the CIA) creating an amateurish film in English, puts it on youtube in the hope that sometime or another this will get translated by Arab media and end in "controversy". And keep in mind the whole 'plan' would depend on Muslims actually going out to riot in response.

It doesn't sound like the most cunning plan ever hatched if you ask me ;). After all, and I don't want to cause alarm, but there is so much Islamophobia all over the Internet I am surprised this bad attempt at it even got noticed. You don't need help from the Mossad/CIA, Republicans or even 'the media' to create anti-Islamic material. Trust me, there are plenty of private persons who hate Islam enough to do it all on their own accord!
 
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