French Magazine to print cartoons of prophet Mohammed (PBUH)

[aamirsaab]

They're doing it for sales pure and simple. Strike while the iron is hot.

Just roll your eyes, shrug your shoulders and move on.

 

[GuestFellow]

Those behind the French magazine are marching towards hell.

 

[CosmicPathos]

It goes against Islamic principles, but what if a pseudo-Muslim liberal magazine running from a Muslim country reprints the shots of naked duchess? It would be interesting to see the reaction in Buckingham palace.

I think some communist media groups from Indian subcontinent should already do that, if they really hate the British and their slavery to the colonial British Empire.

Just sayin'. Just throwing the idea out there.

 

[Muezzin]

So it's a French magazine known for sctalogical humour.

I know what scatalogical means.

I now know why this guy decided to publish these cartoons.

(Because otherwise nobody would buy his magazine full of poo jokes)

 

[Pygoscelis]

Thre is childishness on both "sides". Those deliberately provoking are like naughty boys pulling on the girls' ponytails or shooting spitballs to get a reaction. Those reacting like violent hooligans over anybody either criticizing Islam or drawing Mohammed are like children having a temper tantrum for not getting their way. Showering attention on either one of them will only encourage their behaviours.

 

[sister herb]

Insult Islam seems to be famous right now.

It is called as freedom of speech.

^o) Oh boy!

 

[Scimitar]

I guess this means more French people will be looking into Islam then... some of them will accept it too

I love it when their plans backfire on them. it's becoming a repeat pattern.

When that pastor of an American church who only had 30 followers, did that "international burn a Quran day" event, his burning of the Quran got more people from his community to actually go out and get a copy of the Quran and study it...

...wanna know how many accepted Islam? more than 30 people... that is more than his entire congregation

Let 'em plot and plan... we know who the best of Planners is

Allahu Akbar

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Still, I find it upsetting that people - even if it is their legal right - choose to do and say things which they KNOW are deeply insulting and hurtful to other people. :hmm:

I mean, don't we teach our children in the playground not to do that ... when they are about 5??

Yes sister glo, this is a classic example of where "freedom of speech" is in conflict with the "international declaration of human rights".

A hypocrisy in the west. A very clever hypocrisy that goes largely unnoticed

Scimi

EDIT: just wanted to add my final thought on this matter regarding the cartoons and movies and all manner of other profanities against Islam:

(Quran Chapter 3 ayah number 186) Yusuf Ali translation

"Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs."

 

[sister herb]

As much people speaks about Islam thats better.

;D Much more people become interest about Islam.

 

[observer]

Originally Posted by observer
I think there will be a few more of these incidents in the coming months. Any satirical magazine or "hard-hitting" newspaper wanting to make a statement (and up it's sales - reports are that sales of this French magazine have rocketed, especially in Muslim majority areas where many are being bought to be destroyed) knows that they will make the news by being "edgy" and publishing something like this.
Still, I find it upsetting that people - even if it is their legal right - choose to do and say things which they KNOW are deeply insulting and hurtful to other people.

I mean, don't we teach our children in the playground not to do that ... when they are about 5??

Agree, it's ridiculous.

 

[observer]

that's exactly what it is sans the skill to hide it well!
And if you had some intellectual honesty you'd have clicked on the second link to see where the suit took place!
Best,

Ok, let's make this simple. You obviously have no desire to read or understand my posts.

If you look at my post at the start of this exchange (which is starting to feel like a LONG time ago), I pointed out to you why the princess' injunction was upheld - because of French laws on personal privacy. PERSONAL privacy.

The link you post to the Pope cartoon/joke details a court case in Germany.

As I pointed out to you - a similar cartoon was published in France and a court case brought in that case failed.

Therefore, the idea that there are double standards at play - as alleged by you - is clearly not true. The French authorities have done exactly the same with these Muhammed cartoons (nothing) as with the Pope cartoons (also nothing).

Now, I'm not sure what part of my posts strikes you as wordplay, I'm not sure if this explanation satisfies your standards for "intellectual honesty" but you are clearly wrong when you say that there are double standards here. French and German laws are different.

 

[observer]

It goes against Islamic principles, but what if a pseudo-Muslim liberal magazine running from a Muslim country reprints the shots of naked duchess? It would be interesting to see the reaction in Buckingham palace.

It's being done all over Europe - Denmark and Sweden are the latest. They'll be coming to a news-stand near you soon!

French privacy law allowed an injunction against them in France but I don't think they'll try for an injunction in all over publishing countries.

 

[CosmicPathos]

It's being done all over Europe - Denmark and Sweden are the latest. They'll be coming to a news-stand near you soon!

French privacy law allowed an injunction against them in France but I don't think they'll try for an injunction in all over publishing countries.

That's good to hear. I for one dont feel a bit of sympathy for her or the royal family.

 

[جوري]

Ok, let's make this simple.

You're so complicated.. Thank God for your presence here to elucidate things in that way only you know how!

You obviously have no desire to read or understand my posts.

That's mutual but not the problem. The problem is your lack of desire to exercise some abstract thinking!

If you look at my post at the start of this exchange (which is starting to feel like a LONG time ago), I pointed out to you why the princess' injunction was upheld - because of French laws on personal privacy. PERSONAL privacy.

Laws are passed arbitrarily, again what's your point? Holocaust denial laws, princess buttercup privacy laws, anti burqa laws (passed almost overnight) anti minaret laws.. do you not see a pattern or we've to take your hands and show you that the laws are nonsensical and selective?

best,

 

[GuestFellow]

It's being done all over Europe - Denmark and Sweden are the latest. They'll be coming to a news-stand near you soon!

French privacy law allowed an injunction against them in France but I don't think they'll try for an injunction in all over publishing countries.

I wonder how EU law will have an impact on this.

 

[observer]

The problem is your lack of desire to exercise some abstract thinking!

Of course it is. How could it be anything else?

 

[Ramadhan]

The purpose of the cartoons is to provoke a response that will reinforce the notions that the rest of the world has regarding Islam. It has become commonplace to see irrational overreaction and violence to provocations such as these, which leads to more provocation which again proves their point.

The only way to break this cycle is for the offended to NOT take the bait. They have to learn not to burn flags, scream "Death to (fill in your country)!", or murder ambassadors. By demonstrating this type of control, the world could see that Muslims are rational and peaceful. And when that happens, the provocations will decrease. And with that, there will be less cause for violent outbursts in the first place.

Just remember that your beliefs do not have to be everyone else's beliefs. The Prophet does not mean the same to them as he does to you. And certainly, if you have true belief in your faith and your god, then certainly those who mock the Prophet will get what is coming to them, without any interference from you. So let it go, let it roll off your back, and let what will be.

I agree that we need not be unjustifiably violent, but I disagree with your proposal that muslims should care less about the vile attempts to insult muslims and painting lies against our beloved prophet SAW.
When we take no action against those vile people, they will not stop, and in fact they will only get motivated and increase their disgusting ways because they see no repercussion or payback for their actions.

Just look at how effective the western jews have been with their intimidation etc that these days no one in the west dare to speak against or deny or mock the sufferings of ashkenazis.

Contrast that to the fate of the christians in the west who now have to accept that their God is being mocked and portrayed in the most vile imaginations possible every single day in the media, entertainment, etc.

 

[Ramadhan]

It's like a naughty child - stop paying attention and they'll start doing something else.

It is not an apt analogy. Do you really think muslim haters will stop doing it if we stop paying attention? If you do really believe that, I have to question your mental faculty.

I agree with that.

And Glo, please do not pretend that your god is not being mocked every day for entertainment in UK just because christians have long ago cease to pay attention to such vile actions.

 

[Ramadhan]

I guess this means more French people will be looking into Islam then... some of them will accept it too

I love it when their plans backfire on them. it's becoming a repeat pattern.

When that pastor of an American church who only had 30 followers, did that "international burn a Quran day" event, his burning of the Quran got more people from his community to actually go out and get a copy of the Quran and study it...

...wanna know how many accepted Islam? more than 30 people... that is more than his entire congregation

Let 'em plot and plan... we know who the best of Planners is

Allahu Akbar

Scimi

Amiin Allahumma Amiin

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

How times have changed eh?

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"Bornier himself was the victim of blind and unreasoning Muslim prejudice in regard to his Mahomet. The play was being rehearsed in 1889 when a Turkish newspaper reproduced from a French journal the news of its forthcoming production. The French Foreign Ministry assured the Turkish ambassador in Paris, Es'at Pasha, that the play did not constitute an attack on the Prophet and on the cherished beliefs of the Muslims. Bornier pointed out that the Persian ta'ziyas or passion plays regularly depicted the death of Muhammad as well as those of the Shi'ite martyrs, and he offered to accept prohibition of his work's being played in Algeria and Tunisia. These arguments still failed to satisfy the Turkish authorities, and in 1890 the head of the government, Freycinet, banned the production of Mahomet in France, a prohibition which, it was reported, gave much pleasure to the Sultan Abd al-Hamid II. It must be admitted that Muslims would undeniably find offensive a play in which their Prophet killed himself because of a woman and because of inferiority feelings vis-a-vis Christianity, but there is no evidence that either the Turkish ambassador or the Sultan had seen the play, much less read it, when they first objected to it. The French government's surrender to this Turkish pressure was plausibly attributed by Martino to the contemporary political situation, for in 1889 the German Emperor William II was beginning his journey to Istanbul and the Near East, and France feared to do anything which might drive Turkey further into Germany's arms; the susceptibilities of France's numerous Muslim subjects in North Africa must also have been a consideration. Not till 1896 were excerpts from Mahomet presented to the public in a special arrangement for theatrical declamation. Since Bornier's time, no major European dramatist seems to have essayed a play on the life of the Prophet." - (Source: C. E. Bosworth, 'A Dramatisation of the Prophet Muhammad's Life: Henri de Bornier's "Mahomet",' Numen, Vol. 17, Fasc. 2 (Aug., 1970), p. 116)

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May Allah(swt) bestow upon this Ummah unity and a righteous Caliphate.