Malala Yousafzai: 14-year-old Pakistani activist shot

[~Zaria~]

I can think of many reasons- can't you? Do you know many 12 year old girls who get this level of publicity or take man sized campaigns all by their lonesome especially in a very conservative country like Pakistan? Maybe the case is as described but I have my doubts!

The believer should think well of others, assume the best and keep away from doubt and suspicion that have no basis, because Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion; indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not” [al-Hujuraat 49:12].

Al-Bayhaqi narrated in ash-Shu‘ab (8344) that Ja‘far ibn Muhammad said: If you hear something about your brother that you dislike, then look for excuses for him, from one to seventy excuses; if you find an excuse for him (all well and good), otherwise say: Perhaps he has an excuse that I do not know of.


What makes it permissible to be suspicious of this young girls intentions?
Does anyone here have any proof to support their doubts?

No?

Then, perhaps remain silent - for this would be better for this ummah, and would result in spreading less fitnah.

(Ps. This is directed at everyone who has contributed in this regard).

Malala clearly was not a prodigy child, nor did her IQ level reach 170.

And how exactly do you know this?

Wrong conclusion but im not surprised you and others descend upon this conclusion in spite of i keep telling people they are not even Muslims neither this attack has anything to do with Islam,Women education and women rights.Thats just a game to give reason playing with innocent human lives is necessary to save some other precious lives.

Is there some evidence to this effect?


I cannot access page 5 in this thread.

If I have missed out on some proof/ evidence that media portrayal of this case is false, please can I be directed these?

This is all I ask.

As brother IbnAbdulHakim has mentioned, thus far - most of this thread is pure speculation.


However, looking at the response from Malala's community and islamic scholars from the area - gives us a clearer picture of the actual sentiment on the ground:

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as well as TTPs past history: their reported role in preventing vaccinations to kids: http://www.globalissues.org/news/2012/09/26/14892


and statements such as these:

In the statement sent out by TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan from an undisclosed location, the banned outfit said that although they do not believe in attacking women, “whom so ever leads a campaign against Islam and Shariah is ordered to be killed by Shariah.”

“If anyone thinks that Malala was targeted because of education, that is absolutely wrong, and propaganda of media. Malala was targeted because of her pioneer role in preaching secularism and so called enlightened moderation. And whomsoever will commit so in future too will be targeted again by TTP,”

And Allah (subhanawataála) knows best in all matters.


:wa:

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[جوري]

The believer should think well of others, assume the best and keep away from doubt and suspicion that have no basis,

Does that apply to the Taliban as well or just the girl? By the way I saw the entire incident on TV today and even those who are rallying for this girl under all banners are starting to get suspicious of the international attention this has generated from western media as well questioning the official story leaked out to the media

رواية للديلمي عن أنس أيضا بلفظ: المؤمن فطن حذر وقاف، متثبت لا يعجل، عالم ورع، والمنافق همزة لمزة حطمة لا يقف عند شبهة ولا عند محرم كحاطب ليل لا يبالي من أين كسب ولا فيما أنفق، ومثله في التاريخ للبخاري. وقال عنه الألباني رحمه الله، إنه موضوع، كما في السلسلة.
والله أعلم
this hadith is also part of Islam.. please look it up in English and it should be applied as well and I am not directing it to anyone in particular but to the ummah as a whole!

 

[Endymion]

Sister Zaria,do you believe Osama bin Ladin was found and killed by American troops in Pakistan?

 

[~Zaria~]

Does that apply to the Taliban as well or just the girl?

To both.
Unless we have evidence to support a particular belief.

رواية للديلمي عن أنس أيضا بلفظ: المؤمن فطن حذر وقاف، متثبت لا يعجل، عالم ورع، والمنافق همزة لمزة حطمة لا يقف عند شبهة ولا عند محرم كحاطب ليل لا يبالي من أين كسب ولا فيما أنفق، ومثله في التاريخ للبخاري. وقال عنه الألباني رحمه الله، إنه موضوع، كما في السلسلة.
والله أعلم
this hadith is also part of Islam.. please look it up in English and it should be applied as well and I am not directing it to anyone in particular but to the ummah as a whole!

Google translator says this: Novel Daylami Anas also says: insured shrewd warned S, Mtthbt not accelerate, world devout, and the hypocrite connecting to Mazzeh حطمة not stop at compromised nor when Muharram Khatab night does not care where gain nor as spent, and others like it in the history of the steam. The Albanian him God's mercy, it is subject, as in the series. And God knows


Considering that there are many non-arabic speaking members on this forum, it would be preferable to provide translation for any text in english as well.....

Sister Zaria,do you believe Osama bin Ladin was found and killed by American troops in Pakistan?

Yes ukthi, unless you can provide me with evidence to the contrary?

 

[sdaonline]

There is nothing like Taliban trust me.If you want to know the real story of Taliban,you need to watch the interviews taken during the peace march of Imran Khan.Malala and all effecties like that are targeted through a policy.There is no Taliban nor they kill innocent people.

Agreed with you.. All the things like that are planned and happens with proper pre-planned policies which is operated by Agencies & International Enemies of Islam.

 

[Endymion]

And whats the evidence he was found and killed in Pakistan?There is media every where even they brought the inside stories and pictures of Guantanamo,Bagram and Abu Gharib for you but there was not a single picture of dead Osama,the most high profile terrorist in the world?His dead body was taken over and drowned in the sea?Did you believe all that just because it was said by American officials and printed in world's leading news papers??

 

[جوري]

The translation of the hadith is: The believer is shrewd, careful, and waqaf as in one who doesn't hurry to conclusions:
from baheth:
ورجل وقّاف: مُتَأَنٍّ غير عَجِل؛ قال: وقد وقَفَتْني بينَ شكٍّ وشُبْهِةٍ، وما كنت وقّافاً على الشُّبُهات وفي حديث الحسن: إن المؤمن وقّاف مُتَأَنٍّ وليس كحاطِب الليل؛ والوقّاف: الذي لا يستعجل في الأَمور، وهو فَعّال من الوُقوف.
والوقّاف المُحْجِم عن القتال كأَنه يَقِف نفسه عنه ويعوقها؛ قال دريد: وإنْ يَكُ عبدُ اللّه خلَّى مكانَه، فما كان وقَّافاً، ولا طائشَ اليدِ وواقَفه مُواقفة ووِقافاً: وقفَ معه في حرب أَو خُصومة. التهذيب: أَوقفت الرجلَ على خِزْيِه إذا كنت لا تحبسه
then it goes on to say that the believer is also A''alim (knowledgeable) ) and devout... whereas the hypocrite is scandal monger and backbiter that is what humazatin lumaza means as well adores scandal, doesn't stop save to perpetuate it and doesn't stop by every muharam (those things forbidden)except to do it, akin to the coal miner of the night doesn't care from what he earns nor how he spends his money!

just felt it is important for folks to familiarize themselves with every aspect of their religion not merely the stuff that looks interesting!
or is translated into English. We really should make an effort before we take our news and emotions from kaffirs.
You were saying we should stop at both and that's fine as well except for folks here who were calling for the death of others as if saving this one life is more important than all the families they drone daily in their quest for the taliban. Such posts were deleted so it is good to give good advise to all parties instead of quoting one party and then deciding that the advise is for all.

 

[sister herb]

Sister Zaria,do you believe Osama bin Ladin was found and killed by American troops in Pakistan?

As what media hasn´t told us; Osama was CIA agent who got new identity and lives now in Memphis selling pizzas... if that has anything to do with Malala/Pakistan/Taliban of Pakistan (which doesn´t exits).

^o)

Hopely that wasn´t TOO off topic again.

 

[جوري]

As what media hasn´t told us; Osama was CIA agent who got new identity and lives now in Memphis selling pizzas... if that has anything to do with Malala/Pakistan/Taliban of Pakistan (which doesn´t exits).

^o)

Hopely that wasn´t TOO off topic again.

It is an analogy sister about the half truths or none truths we're being served. I have no problem accepting the story is a fact but I don't know that it is, and I just see a mob mentality and hatred being borne out of sensational stories at which ultimately the end results is the droning of more girls like Malala also in Pakistan and neighboring countries at the hands of those who maintain they care!
That's all we're saying!

 

[Haya emaan]

after gooing through the thread just want to tell you what we pak people feel

The world want us ( pakistani's) to care on malala's incident, dont you know we have lost 100s of malalas in this so called war.. 1000s of malala's fathers 1000s of malala's brothers. we have no tears left to shed upon this incident. our hearts have been hardened. we wake up receiving the news of a drone attack killing number of innocent civilians and we go to sleep hearing of a bomb blast or other mass killings.. we have sacrificed thousands of daughters and sons of the country in these some years

and at last every thing ends with "taliban has accepted the responsibility of the attack/incident".. this statement is now no more then a joke to us..

i question the existence of America in my country more than the existence of taliban...
kick the America out and there will be no taliban..! we Pakistani's believe in this..

who knows is there really taliban ..?? taliban killing innocent people? muslims killing their own muslim brothers?
let me remind you a real story of the imam of the mosque.. very religious very pious..
he got ill and went to the doctor..
and what doctor found out...? the man was not a Muslim..
an imam of the mosque and not a Muslim..??
the doctor reported to the authorities and later they found out the reality.. He was a foreign agent..
A foreign agent disguised as an imam.. this is what happening in Pakistan..

US aided NGOs, US funded agencies, US backed government, this all pakistanis are suffering from.what good is Pakistan going to get by them?


Ah.. who knows who these talibans are?

i m sorry to say but Malala your incident got fame because you were famous.. if this was to happen with me none of you would had known. yes this is what happens here every day..

 

[~Zaria~]

And whats the evidence he was found and killed in Pakistan?There is media every where even they brought the inside stories and pictures of Guantanamo,Bagram and Abu Gharib for you but there was not a single picture of dead Osama,the most high profile terrorist in the world?His dead body was taken over and drowned in the sea?Did you believe all that just because it was said by American officials and printed in world's leading news papers??

Ukthi, the absence of proof, is not evidence to the contrary.

Unless someone can bring some evidence, or Obama himself makes an appearance or his surviving family acknowledges that he is alive and in hiding, or there is proof that he was infact killed before this period......all that we are promoting is just speculation.

This is not the way of a muslim.

If we do not want to believe certain reports from multiple sources of media (yet have no proof against the counter-claim), then we should treat all news in a like manner......and just not listen to any news at all, anymore.

How do we trust some news reports and not others?
Based on our own pre-conceived notions of the subject at hand?
or based on our own research?

I do not wish to go off topic with this......so will end here.

:wa:

 

[جوري]

the absence of proof,

It is something that has happened, someone indeed committed the act- the question is of the consequences of it and if the consequences are a planned fitna or real an appropriate reaction to what occured. I'll tell you what will happen though and usually happens in said situations.
The news pounces people are emotional, the U.S decides its presence is needed, the Pakistani govt. can't tell them to stop droning because the Taliban are stronger than ever and terrorists cells are everywhere.. More Malalas get killed but on the hands of the enemy and then they call them collateral damage. Joboman stated earlier those are bad but justified.. because we know American intent vs. Taliban intent and it is always more honorable!

It isn't a matter of we should believe this or disbelieve in that. That is where the hadith about being Kayes and fatin comes in. And that in fact is what we should apply to every situation not the source of information but rather what will be done with said information. You'll find that the agenda is one no matter the source!

 

[Haya emaan]

sister zaira living in pak we have learned to see things in some different ways. can i ask you to look at the story this way..
few years back we had some incidents of violence with women.. and the stories got 'international fame' every one around the world felt sympathy with them and jumped into the matter.. soon after some time we realized the reality when major changes were brought in women's right laws. Changes that were actually not the 'rights' but going against islamic laws.
this how 'they' work in Pakistan. we are believed to be too emotional people. and this is how hey play with us..

lets wait and see what are the real plans behind malala's incident..

 

[~Zaria~]

The world want us ( pakistani's) to care on malala's incident, dont you know we have lost 100s of malalas in this so called war.. 1000s of malala's fathers 1000s of malala's brothers. we have no tears left to shed upon this incident. our hearts have been hardened. we wake up receiving the news of a drone attack killing number of innocent civilians and we go to sleep hearing of a bomb blast or other mass killings.. we have sacrificed thousands of daughters and sons of the country in these some years

Assalamu-alaikum ukthi,

Im sorry to hear this.

May Allah make it easy on our brothers and sisters throughout the world, including Pakistan, and grant this ummah ultimate victory. Ameen.

I guess this story has made headlines, because unlike a death by a drone attack (which a great loss for our ummah as well)......this was an attack on a teenager, for simply standing up for what she believed in - education for all.
Something that a muslim believes in and supports.

We could never do justice in mourning/ acknowledging the loss of every single muslim that is fighting some battle or the other.

Yet, it does not diminish the importance of those few stories that do make the headlines (for whatever reason).

Sister Haya Emaan, the story that you have related about the fake imaam - raises an important point.

That until the doctor discovered, and then it was confirmed that he was actually an under-cover agent.......it would have been encumbent for the muslims attending his mosque to believe that he was in fact a muslim.
To have doubted his imaan, before this information - would place the suspicious party at fault.

At the end of the day, Allah (subhanawataa'la) knows the secrets in the hearts of men and women.....and He will reveal the truth as and when He choses to.

We have to trust in HIM, and His greater plan in everything.

:wa:

 

[sister herb]

lets wait and see what are the real plans behind malala's incident..

To me it looks quite obvious if we think there is some western interest behind...

Anyways; situation looks by some ways quite similar like life of Palestinians under west-supported occupation.

 

[tigerkhan]

well i have got the answer WHO has done this attack on Malala and WHY.
here is the answer http://www.ahwaal.com/index.php?opt...12-16-08-06&catid=2:national&Itemid=4&lang=ur
(sorry to non urdu speaker) but and u see in my last post i guess and it came our true. it is Shatan Malik (interior minister of Pakistan and black water agent) and the purpose behind was to make ppl agreed for the military operation in waziristan.
Please note that malala lives in swat (much far away from wazirsitan) and note that waziristani ppl are victim of drones and pakistani military bcz r they killling innocent ppl like malala in Pakistan?.....a BIG NO but because they r fighting in Afghanistan against americans. only they have done this crime as they want to see independent and sovereign Afghanistan. and now whole their generation is ruined by drones as one who go against interest of the champion of justice, they always bring such justice to them. blackmail them and kill them brutally. see one more pic of victims of drones and its not from media but from my friend FB who is from Bannu (neighborhood of waziristan).

one more thing, u ppl think why Pakistani media didn't raise voice against these killing as in above picture. the answer is ,pakistani media is paid by Israel and america. these innocent ppl are not pro-americans nor anti-islamic rather they r anti Americans and they love islam. media raise voice for the ppl who r like malala (shame on her for this bullshit)
http://www.ahwaal.com/index.php?opt...11-14-19-35&catid=2:national&Itemid=4&lang=ur
according to her burqa (niqab) is a remain of stone-age and beard remind her of pheron.

 

[جوري]

(sorry to non urdu speaker) but and u see in my last post i guess and it came our true. it is Shatan Malik (interior minister of Pakistan and black water agent) and the purpose behind was to make ppl agreed for the military operation in waziristan.
Please not malala lives in swat (much far away from wazirsitan)

This was on Jazeera Arabic as well!

 

[sister herb]

Israel pays nothing as American tax payers pay all they actions but why to put this thread them too and Afghanistan? I think crime against this innocent girl happened in Pakistan.

^o)

I am as confused like many others already.

 

[CosmicPathos]

And how exactly do you know this?

I know it because nothing is true or nothing exists until unequivocally proven by rigorous and consistent evidence.

 

[CosmicPathos]

A girl was shot and is in intensive care

so? I dont see you rallying up for 10s of patients we get to care for in the ICU everday of our life. It is sad and lets keep it that way.